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4G LTE vs. Dual-Core Processor
- Thread starter CallMeCooper13
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- samsung droid charge
Yes, it's Binged. Not good, I agree. But LG won't stop you from rooting this phone at all. It's very nice otherwise. It's kind of what Tbolt should have been from get go. It's got better screen (high contrast IPS/LCD), HDMI mirroring (not in Tbolt), 16Gb internal memory and camera, battery life might rival Charge if not better. I will put this one to close comparison with Charge. If hardware aspects are better than Charge overall, I might get this one and just replace Bing with Google.
CallMeCooper13
Lurker
The more I research and talk to people, the more it looks like the Charge is the phone to beat now and at least until September. After talking to some guys I know at Verizon, the next competitors will be arriving at the end of September (phones w/ the same cycle as iPhone 5). Lets face it, you aren't going to find a better screen than the Super AMOLED Plus for a WHILE and all the new phones coming out (including SGSII and LGR) are going to have the Plus screen. In terms of processor, if they end up coming out with an LTE phone with dual-core, its gonna have worse battery life than the TB. I think Charge will be on top for awhile and is a good investment even if you're locked in for a new 2-year contract. I've made my decision!
rushmore
Extreme Android User
Dual cores actually have better battery life than single cores. Example being the Tegra 2 verses the 8655 that is in the TB.
Outsider(Avid HustlaZ)
Well-Known Member
OMG! thank you steve and rushmore and everyone else that agrees with them! Yes the DC is a little expensive but you get ehat you pay for! Here are some examples...
DC 299$- better battery life, bigger battery, better screen, better camera, better video, better speaker, better buttons(IMO)...DOWNSIDES- price and a little lag on the stock browser and stock home
TB 249$- terrible battery life, smaller battery bigger phone, not so good screen, speaker not as loud, gets hot quick, video sound choppy, pic quality not as good..UPSIDES- faster processor and thats it...
Like i said you get what you pay for you want the good things in life expect to pony up the doe..you want average then go for the lower end stuff...
DC 299$- better battery life, bigger battery, better screen, better camera, better video, better speaker, better buttons(IMO)...DOWNSIDES- price and a little lag on the stock browser and stock home
TB 249$- terrible battery life, smaller battery bigger phone, not so good screen, speaker not as loud, gets hot quick, video sound choppy, pic quality not as good..UPSIDES- faster processor and thats it...
Like i said you get what you pay for you want the good things in life expect to pony up the doe..you want average then go for the lower end stuff...
That's not fair comparison as Tbolt is 4G LTE phone and still there is no Tegra2/LTE phone yet. Horrible battery life in Tbolt has more to do with LTE radio chip than snapdragon 8655. I think power consumption on Tegra2 and snapdragon 8655 is comparable.
It would be interesting how Revolution plays out on battery with the same 8655 as Tbolt.
rushmore
Extreme Android User
As per a regional rep, VZW is testing the waters with the "mid level device for premium price" strategy and the Droid Charge is part of this "concept". VZW hopes there a bunch of folks that think like you.
VZW will be sitting pretty with the iPhone and a legion of mid-level Android devices while other carriers push better devices at lower prices- FROM THE SAME OEMs.
Of course it makes great business sense, but does not benefit the consumer at all. VZW is leveraging their superior coverage map while the other carriers are leveraging devices. I kind of hope the At&t and Tmo merger goes through, so in a few years, the coverage map will not be a point of leverage for VZW. Maybe then they will push devices, rather than their network.
Not dinging mid-level hardware, but the issue of that is all they are pushing now. That and iPhone.
Compared to the competition, the $300 price for the Charge is nut, and you folks can spin all you want, much to the liking of VZW finance and marketing teams.
Heck, your post almost seems like part of those teams
tarheelmike
Newbie
Sounds to me like rush must be locked into a contract or has nothing else to other than bash the DC. I got my DC last week. Moved from a Dinc to it and really am happy so far. Once LTE hits my market I will be even more happy.
rushmore
Extreme Android User
Nope. Ready for full discount, but current offerings are "meh" for me:
1. TB = Battery sucker, no internal storage and single core refresh
2. Charge = Slow RFS file sytem, older chipset, simply "refreshed" for LTE bridge and no internal storage
3. LG Revolution = Binged
4. X Play = Weak display, low app space and no internal storage, no LTE
5. Droid X2 = No LTE and apparently has the same display as the Atrix (not a good thing).
I am active in the forums I am shopping or reviewed for a device. If the Charge did not have the slow a55 RFS file system, it would be okay.
There is no perfect phone and everyone will be with some kind of trade off, especially on Verizon now. Even SGSII will be dumbed down by them somehow I guess. They won't allow any phone looking too good next to iPhone. So you have to take the one that best suits your needs. That's the way it is with Verizon.
The other option is to leave Verizon for AT&T-mobile to get phones like SGSII, Hercules, Sensation, Holiday and live with spotty HSPA+.
rushmore
Extreme Android User
Hence the point. People like me have no practical alternative, since At&t, Sprint and Tmo have far weaker coverage. If VZW keeps unlimited and pushes mid-level devices, they may just get away with it, since At&t is slowly sinking their ship with tiered data and losing customers to VZW- in spite of sweet devices. Sprint & Tmo are in trouble too, since the greatest device in the world does not bridge sucky coverage maps.
breadnatty08
pain rustique
I'm glad we've got some great discussions going on for these new phones. My OG Droid is still definitely kicking it (got it launch weekend) and the development for it is unparalleled, well maybe not as much as the Nexus'. For me, that is the biggest thing. I'd love to upgrade to dual core or LTE (live in DC, LTE is great here), but until Bid Red drops an unlocked phone that's got Cyanogen support, I'm not budging. The D3 looks promising, though, with Swiftkey, I'm more than happy to ditch the physical KB. I've seen a friends Captivate screen, and it's a beaut. Here's hoping the SGS2 drops within the next 4-5 months, it's what I'm holding out for.
I was leaning to 4G LTE over dual core. But after reading some terrible 4G connection issues on this and other forums, I don't know what to do. It may be partly the phone, but Verizon LTE network doesn't look like quite polished either.
I will see how Revolution does on LTE connectivity. It's got extra chip for voice over LTE and video streaming too. If it suffers similar 4G connectivity issue, I will hold out of LTE phones this year and probably go for dual core 3G phone like DX2, SGSII.
I will see how Revolution does on LTE connectivity. It's got extra chip for voice over LTE and video streaming too. If it suffers similar 4G connectivity issue, I will hold out of LTE phones this year and probably go for dual core 3G phone like DX2, SGSII.
tpriddy
Member
You may not be a lover, liar or nut, but you are definitely funny.
<spin>Got mine from vzw.com for $200.</spin>
I'm not saying I won't return it if its radio performance sucks or switch to the Bionic later, but its specs and the feedback I read here says it's definitely worth a shot.
And regarding battery life, expect better performance/power conservation from a dual core processor under normal smart-phone use. With the home screens and widgets that we have now we should only rarely use the second core.
Also, more RAM uses more power 100% of the time even if it's filled with long strings of zeros. The main design feature of the Android OS is to give good smartphone performance with less RAM so it can have longer battery life and keep the phone from getting too hot to handle.
That said, I do look forward to the days when we have an object oriented home application and widgets so cross-applications automatically cooperate and the UI becomes "magically" intuitive and stupid configurable. Then we'll need multi-cores and more memory.
rushmore
Extreme Android User
You may not be a lover, liar or nut, but you are definitely funny.
I'm not saying I won't return it if its radio performance sucks or switch to the Bionic later, but its specs and the feedback I read here says it's definitely worth a shot.
And regarding battery life, expect better performance/power conservation from a dual core processor under normal smart-phone use. With the home screens and widgets that we have now we should only rarely use the second core.
Also, more RAM uses more power 100% of the time even if it's filled with long strings of zeros. The main design feature of the Android OS is to give good smartphone performance with less RAM so it can have longer battery life and keep the phone from getting too hot to handle.
That said, I do look forward to the days when we have an object oriented home application and widgets so cross-applications automatically cooperate and the UI becomes "magically" intuitive and stupid configurable. Then we'll need multi-cores and more memory.
The charge is an I/O file system change away from being a darn good device. It is slower than my Inc and the Droid X1 in everything I tried. Hummingbird should kick the Inc 8650's butt and be on par or a tad better than the Droid X 3630.
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The file system inefficiency is probably worse of a drag than a dynamic refresh of few hundred megs of ram. Just imagine how good the battery would be with a more efficient file system.
You are probably a smart guy who knows how to root/tailor android phone for your need. But at the same time, you are bashing rfs on Charge over and over. I'm just tired of looking at your bashing. If anything, just go ahead for rooting if you can't live with RFS. Samsung won't prevent you from doing that. Also I bet than 2.3.3 update will hit Charge within this year given that Galaxy S got it oversea.
rushmore
Extreme Android User
I bash what deserves bashing and then move on like Cartman.
Been heavily shopping for a device, since a reliable person told me already what was posted today about unlimited data about to go bye-bye. I was going to hold off for a dual core Snap in late Summer or Fall, but the "big change" will almost certainly be before then.
Hence my agitation. My humble apologies to all. Seriously.
sean76
Android Expert
For right now...I'll take 4G over a dual core! Honestly vzw should have had a dual core 4G phone out by now. They're just kicking they're feet by releasing the Droid x2 IMO. Why would I lock into a 2 year deal with a phone that is identical to the phone it replaces, for the exception of a dual core and a qhd screen? If vzw would have found a way to get a 4G chip in there, I'd say...OK, that's taking a pretty good phone and making it Great! However, they didn't! So I'm gonna go with the raw power of 4G right now until vzw gets they're act together and brings us the Bionic or something on that level of power.
greasepunk
Lurker
This thread is great for those of us who are not spec-centric geeks and who don't know about rooting and cryogenomod (or whatever).
The general consensus seems to favor 4G over dual-core if you live in a 4G area. I'm on the outer edge of a 4G market. The official VZW map puts my home address in "extended 4G" - whatever that means. I do spend a fair amount of time well inside the 4G neighborhood, so what do you think: Go with the fast network or the fast phone?
I was going to wait for the Revolution, but all this trash-talk about Bing has me concerned. Is it more than just simply a matter of "Don't use it if you don't like it?"
The general consensus seems to favor 4G over dual-core if you live in a 4G area. I'm on the outer edge of a 4G market. The official VZW map puts my home address in "extended 4G" - whatever that means. I do spend a fair amount of time well inside the 4G neighborhood, so what do you think: Go with the fast network or the fast phone?
I was going to wait for the Revolution, but all this trash-talk about Bing has me concerned. Is it more than just simply a matter of "Don't use it if you don't like it?"
The chance is that 4G LTE map will soon expand to cover your resident area, getting 4G phone over dual core makes sense for you in my opnion. Especially before VZW will stop unlimited 4G and switch to tiered plan sometime this year.
Obviously Bing on android turns off many folks here as we mostly are google fans. But if you don't care about rooting, it's nothing more than default search engine that you don't need to use. You can put google search on screen and there is also way to change default search with light rooting.
greasepunk
Lurker
So... Charge or Revolution?
I'm facing the same question for me.
Leaning a bit to Revolution but have to see how it does on battery, screen/camera and reception/call quality once it's released. Hopefully I will know that in a month.
Jesson
Member
I'm facing the same question for me.
i read that the camera is not that great on the Revolution being only a 5mp