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[MacLinDroid]

Nokia's own website says that Nokia Suite is for S40 only and do not list Lumia under supported devices.

I was blissfully unaware of Sony, HTC, etc., supporing USB sync. When you go to a store and talk to a "brand ambassador", he/she can tell you how to use social portals and play games, but they have NO idea of how to use their brands' phones productively.

I think that wed need that USB sync that now works on Windows/Mac to also work on Linux, at the very least on Mint which is the best developed and most widely used.

When one syns Notes from Outlook and your .PST file is filled with tons of rich content, GPRS/EDGE becomes impractical.

We here in Africa get supplied via Europe & UK, so we usually only get what they are getting.

An interesting observation: Blackberry and Nokia were selling 6x more than other handsets here, but in East African countries, Samsung Galaxy Duos is taking up real estate fast, wiping out competition like a tornado and flattening them like a tsunami. Market growth in Africa is at 3600% - someone is selling fast! Most of these users need two SIMs to have connectivity and mostly communicate via SMS and WAP apps.

 

[mikedt]

We here in Africa get supplied via Europe & UK, so we usually only get what they are getting.

An interesting observation: Blackberry and Nokia were selling 6x more than other handsets here, but in East African countries, Samsung Galaxy Duos is taking up real estate fast, wiping out competition like a tornado and flattening them like a tsunami. Market growth in Africa is at 3600% - someone is selling fast! Most of these users need two SIMs to have connectivity and mostly communicate via SMS and WAP apps.

The Galaxy Duos are phones that Samsung intended for emerging markets. Can't buy one in the UK AFAIK. Dual-SIM was a Chinese idea, but has caught on in many countries were people might be using two carriers. No dual-SIM in the UK or US, because subsidised phones are usually locked to carrier contracts. Samsung does the Galaxy Mega as well, which is a value for money large screen phone primarily for emerging markets. It's less than half the price of the flagship Galaxy Notes.

 

[MacLinDroid]

Nokia Suite 3.8 - Support, Updates, Downloads and User Guides, Troubleshooting - Nokia - USA

"Got a Nokia Lumia phone? You can

 

[chanchan05]

I still have Nokia suite on my pc and it's asking if I have a lumia. Lol.

Anyway, those bran ambassadors at shops annoy me. I know more than they do usually and I don't consider myself an advanced user. I get lost at xda that I never come back there unless for Widgetlocker themes. Anyway, whatever those ambassadors say, if you read the manual you'd know that USB sync still works. Plus the website for Samsung at least advertises Kies for syncing.

 

[mikedt]

Think it was "burning platform" that really done it in for Nokia, a case of unintended consequences, a.k.a. the Osborne effect.

 

[MacLinDroid]

Read a manual? Where does one get that from, as you do not even get one when you buy a phone - or, at most, a trimmed-down version. Which version of Nokia Suite are you running?

I have 30+ years of experience in computers and that did not help me to get Kies doing what it should, other than freeze my XP, 7 and 8 boxes. Kies is a (sick) joke at the very best.

Here is another post that says the opposite Does Nokia Suite 3.8 work with Nokia Windows 8 Pho... - Nokia Support Discussions

I cannot for the life of me see how it supports USB sync of PIM data. (PIM = Personal Information Manager such as Outlook, Evolution, Nokia Suite or EssentialPIM. Also Thunderbird with add-ins installed.)

Handset manufacturers seem intent upon making their devices irrelevant to the bulk of global users and also want to lose sales. This happens when someone acts global but think local. The mistake they make by thinking that "what works form me, will work for you and them."

Sometimes education is not enough and common sense is a requirement.

Until about as little as a year ago, the top sellers here were Blackberry and Nokia. Samsung from South Korea started changing that and Huawei from China is also taking root fast. Even I traded my almost new iPhone and bought a Y300 a few days ago!

 

[Slug]

I've merged your topic with a very similar one I found from a month ago. Perhaps you should make contact with member AltApple and co-ordinate your efforts?

Also, as the topic as little to do with Android specifically I am contemplating moving it to a more appropriate sub-forum. Either Computers & IT (if the gist of your complaint is with OS support) or Other Phones (Android & Non-Android) if the issue is Nokia's lack of sync support would seem best fits.

 

[MacLinDroid]

Thank you for the merge but please keep this in the Android section. We see across the world how Android is taking over and it therefore seems logical to promote the idea of local sync-ability amongst users who may very well be experiencing the same issues.

The problem is not really understood as even seasoned IT specialists do not realise how users employ their devices outside of the urban developed world. I frequently hear that one can travel all day and sync devices when back home or the office. They do not understand that neither the home or the office has broadband either!

Nobody knows of this immense problem simply because none of the sufferers have the practical means of getting to forums such as this one, let alone having the acumen to do so. It affects entire economies and it cuts first world manufacturers off from third world resources and markets.

It is in everybody's interest to get an Android phone/tablet to sync with a Linux box, especially, as this is what the developing world needs. I do not know how to shout loud enough to be heard; I am not then only advocate for this, as 212 pages on Apple.com support forum recently showed, also on WP Central.

How do I get the message across to someone who will finally pay attention? Contacting any of the device manufacturers is almost impossible as they seem to sit tightly firewalled behind CRM centres where people can only deal within their set matrix.

My hope that was an experienced engineer, or perhaps a keen IT student, read here and realise the need. Why not duplicate the thread instead, to increase exposure? The world out there really does need a solution.

 

[MacLinDroid]

See how fast a brand fails when it does not keep up with user needs. Windows Phone and Android are the hot platforms in South Africa as iOS and BlackBerry show no growth

Cellular service providers, of course, do not want local sync as they milk already poor consumers dry with exorbitant rates. They also do not take up enough bandwidth; in my country, we have six submarine cables but only one service provider, Neotel, makes use of a bouquet. Neotel is aimed at wholesale distribution and enterprise, therefore their benefits do not get passed on to end users in general. If a cable gets damaged, almost the entire country's internet grinds to an almost complete halt. Neotel users never even notice such a problem as their provider backbone is ubiquitous. http://mybroadband.co.za/news/telecoms/35508-neotel-to-run-wacs-noc.html and http://www.neotelfibre.co.za/

Market share comparison but figures are changing fast as Android takes over. http://mybroadband.co.za/news/smart...symbian-vs-windows-phone-in-south-africa.html

 

[chanchan05]

@MacLinDroid - Probably a problem in your packaging. When I get my phones (I'm in the Philippines), whether bought straight up or from the carrier, there's always a manual inside. Heck sometimes there 2, 3, 4 different manuals with different languages. One of the sections there is "Syncing your phone to PC with Samsung Kies".

@mikedit - not really, it was Elop. Nokia was doing fine with the way Symbian was transitioning to Meego, until Elop came and threw all that away. I still miss how Nokia sync worked seamlessly in syncing and managing data compared to both iOS and Android now.

 

[MacLinDroid]

Nokia taught us how to work smarter and then took that convenience away; only that it became a necessity. I have also yet to see anything that beats the seamless, rich and mostly uneventful integration that had set Nokia apart from the rest. Then, when we were all set in our ways, Nokia took away what we treasure most and then they do not understand why they lose sales!


As for manuals, we sometimes have great fun, especially with Chinese products, as some of the English used turns out to be hilariously funny. Not being English ourselves, we have a respectful empathy with those who at least try to render a service to customers, yet the expressions used just happen to be quite "strange." We know from our own experience what it is like to say things in a strange way when venturing into a foreign language.


My new little Hauwei is an entry level device, yet it outshines its Apple predecessor by a country mile. Where the Chinese manufacturers sometimes battle to express themselves in tongue-twisting English, they really did get it right delivering a pleasantly packaged deal at a fraction of the cost. It is in keeping with ancient predictions of a force rising in the east, to overshadow and overtake the former prominent powers of the west.

Android seems to be working very nicely and it evidently is the OS preferred by the masses in global terms. If you can't beat them, join them!

 

[MacLinDroid]

I have to admit I have had no real need of sync ever, and when local sync was the only option I didn't really use it. Nowadays I let Google sync my browser-based stuff for convenience and have a few non-vital things on Drive and Keep, but nothing that would have any impact if it vanished.

Vital stuff is present locally on whatever device, and my "sync" is invariably to copy stuff back and forth as required by whatever means with minimum bandwidth - rsync is my friend

Old habits die hard; I learned the hard way how to manage data across machines when the only available connection was a 300 baud dial-up via an acoustic coupler. High speed data? Wot that?

Those were the days. Not

Hi John Bean, that CallTrack and BusinessCalendar are working rather well and I thank you for the advice; my internet is VERY slow today and I cannot find the exact post, but I think it was you who suggested I use it.

I now recommend these on my blog at LinuxQuestions.org!