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Android user tracking and privacy

No basis in reality? I respectfully disagree.

One only has to dig around a bit to see the bigger picture.

Google does track search habits and the links you click on. Those little adds that they bombard you with when you go to a webpage? How do you think they know to target you with an add that you are likely to look at? You click on that ad and then Google makes some money......

The games on Facebook and the adds or event notices that go with them, how do you think they know what to generate to get you to look at them? They watch your clicks and then scrub the data so that when you login, you are targeted with adds that you are more likely to take interest in.

Zynga (Farmville and Mafia Wars) also now has an agreement with Facebook that they no longer have to get rid of your personal data after 24 hours. They can hold onto it indefinitely. The reasoning? So that they don't have to spend so much on network speed and infrastructure everytime you click on one of their games. Facebook and Zynga sprung up from nothingness and now they make millions.....how? Ad revenue. How do they know what ads you are going to look at? Your online habits.

Ever sign up for something online or through the mail and all of the sudden you start receiving even more fliers or spam than you ever did? Guess where those third parties got your info......Most agreements have a clause or statement to the effect that they will sell your info for profit to other parties.

A good portion of the websites you visit place cookies onto your machine. How do you think Phandroid can "remember you" everytime you visit the site to keep you logged in? You are tracked in that way to.

Law enforcement using GPS or cell phone towers to find some one.....credit/debit card usage.....that info is kept. Call logs.....you've seen them, your cell phone has them as does the PBX at your telco provider.

That terrorist watch/no fly list? How did someone get on there to begin with? Where did that info come from? What habits were exhibited or words used that earned someone a spot on there? Online habits is but one of many ways.

And I am not saying all websites or entities do it. I am simply saying that the technology is there and the ability to digest large amounts of info and pick out individuals is being used.....either for or against us. For profit or not for profit. Search for and check out Room 641A......you'd be surprised at just what can be done and its just a tip of the iceberg.

Everything you do online can be intercepted and kept.

And just because you don't "see" it being sold doesn't mean it isn't happening. There is always more than meets the eye. There is always a bigger picture.

And with that, I've probably just earned my way onto another "list"......
Well, no duh... what do you think cookies are? They have been around since the birth of the internet. Along with IP addresses, whois, ip trace, etc.

If all this worries you, then stop using the Internet, on any device / technology / platform!

The rest of us will take reasonable precautions and enjoy our productivity of the Google services and having access to the richness of the information out there on the internet.

Now if Google wants to tattle tale on my deliciousAndroidcandy@gmail.com to the government, then they're free to do so!! :D
 
I never said that this worried me. I never mentioned myself nor did I get personal. I was just sharing the info that I was asked to provide.
 
I am late coming to this. I believe in the American style of capitalism and therefore, have no problems with Google doing what they are doing. I would rather their brand over what appears to be coming down the pike with our new "one world order," with the government knowing everything as it tries to take care of us. What a joke.
 
I am late coming to this. I believe in the American style of capitalism and therefore, have no problems with Google doing what they are doing. I would rather their brand over what appears to be coming down the pike with our new "one world order," with the government knowing everything as it tries to take care of us. What a joke.
Two words: Subprime mortgage.

And a few more words: The fact of the matter is that corporations are becoming more and more powerful, in some ways more powerful than most governments. It's not an "either / or" situation, it's an "and" situation. It's also the fact of the matter that the American capitalism is very pro-privatizing, to the extent of operating organized private military forces in conflicts initiated by the US itself. In other words: Granting private corporations as much power as the government itself has. When the lines become that blurred, are you sure you want to trust their motives (which is basically what you said) rather than have them properly regulated?
 
So if you don't trust Google, why even come to Android Forums or use Android?

If you are so paranoid aboug Google / Android, what's the point of buying an Android phone without a Gmail account tied to it?

I have a RAZR to sell if you want it. I'm pretty sure that is pretty much free of any privacy concerns, except for the cellphone service provider from knowing who you're calling, texting, and what cell towers you're nearby.

That may be too much loss of privacy. How about two cans and a string?
 
Now, is there a chance to get a straight answer here?

1. Does the browser send any sort of data to Google when browsing non-Google websites, or doesn't it?
2. Does the system send wifi/cell tower geolocating data to Google, or doesn't it? I haven't seen in the emulator any popup message asking me about it.
3. Is any other type of data sent by the system to anyone, anywhere, for any reason, without prior request and approval?
4. Are there any known backdoors apart from the Market removal one?
 
So if you don't trust Google, why even come to Android Forums or use Android?

If you are so paranoid aboug Google / Android, what's the point of buying an Android phone without a Gmail account tied to it?

I have a RAZR to sell if you want it. I'm pretty sure that is pretty much free of any privacy concerns, except for the cellphone service provider from knowing who you're calling, texting, and what cell towers you're nearby.

That may be too much loss of privacy. How about two cans and a string?
Are you at all able to give a straight, meaningful answer, perhaps referring to anything I've written here, or does the gap between your ears prevents you from being on-topic?
 
1. Probably not, but since we're not programmers, and since Android is open source, why don't you check it yourself? Or ask the developers in the development forum?

2. Who knows? Probably not, if there were I'm sure there would be huge uproar already. Again why are you asking users?

3. See #2

4. Huh?

1. Does the browser send any sort of data to Google when browsing non-Google websites, or doesn't it?
2. Does the system send wifi/cell tower geolocating data to Google, or doesn't it? I haven't seen in the emulator any popup message asking me about it.
3. Is any other type of data sent by the system to anyone, anywhere, for any reason, without prior request and approval?
4. Are there any known backdoors apart from the Market removal one?
 
Are you at all able to give a straight, meaningful answer, perhaps referring to anything I've written here, or does the gap between your ears prevents you from being on-topic?
I would give a straight meaningful answer, if the questions were straight and meaningful.

See my previous post - I have tried as best as I could. But frankly I think the original question is something you should ask developers, not users in the lounge.

And think about it - Android is the ONLY open source phone operating system on the market, being adopted by an increasing user base and developers. Do you think if it had the privacy concerns that other developers and users wouldn't have screamed and yelled by now?

Google's business model is based on the trust of its users. Do you think they would jeopardize their cash cow business models by somehow trying to steal your petty useless data? I only wish I was worthy of such attempts by a multi-billion dollar business.

Do you think you're the only one with privacy concerns?? That the rest of us are naive and stupid? I mean, if you think we KNEW Android / Google were spying on us with the antics you're asking above, do you seriously think we'd still be using Android and talking about it here???
 
I would give a straight meaningful answer, if the questions were straight and meaningful.

See my previous post - I have tried as best as I could. But frankly I think the original question is something you should ask developers, not users in the lounge.

And think about it - Android is the ONLY open source phone operating system on the market, being adopted by an increasing user base and developers. Do you think if it had the privacy concerns that other developers and users wouldn't have screamed and yelled by now?

Google's business model is based on the trust of its users. Do you think they would jeopardize their cash cow business models by somehow trying to steal your petty useless data? I only wish I was worthy of such attempts by a multi-billion dollar business.

Do you think you're the only one with privacy concerns?? That the rest of us are naive and stupid?
The questions from the beginning were rather clear and straightforward, and the arguments concise. If you misunderstood any, or just had no knowledge whatsoever, you could've at least avoided the 5 or so bad jokes you've posted here. If you've got nothing good to say, etc.

The Market app. has a backdoor allowing Google to remove apps downloaded from it from end users' devices.

Well, usually at forums like this when you get to a user with over 1400 messages credited to him, he can tell you a thing or two about networking, system security and the like of whatever system you're discussing. It's also reasonable to assume a general FFA forum will have some presence of dev's.

Actually it's not the only OS system in the market, and not first, just the first to have such a marketing and development effort behind it.

I think if there's a billion Chinese under the government of China, communism must be right. Do you agree?
And no one knew about the Market backdoor until they've used it a few months ago.

By the way, the string "google android privacy" has about 73 million search results. There's some screaming going on, but apparently you're not aware of it. Google it up.

Google's model can be explained by half a dozen other users' traits, non of which is trust. Also, if you want to talk about bad PR, again - go read Eric Schmidt's, he's Google's CEO.

Now, if you're still talking about "data stealing" as if someone has paid all of his attention to you (so oldschool), than obviously you haven't read anything I've written on this forum. Thus, I'd rather not comment on your last question.
 
The string "my mom is an alien" has 1.75 million search results, surely that must mean something's going on as well, right?

It's obvious you have a bias against Google, rather than about "privacy" in general.

All businesses have privacy issues, why you choose to harp on Google and Android is not clear to me but I really don't care.

iOS has its ad tracking engine, along with a close software design that could embed far more nefarious things that people don't know about. Same with RIM, WP7, etc.

The fact that Android is open source should make it far more transparent than any of the other software OS out there.
 
I understand where this guy is coming from. Just go about you day to day regular use.

When you want your privacy kept intact use a netbook to wardrive and operate off of someone elses wifi so that nothing can be traced to you personally. Make sure your netbook is purchased in cash and has no personal information on the netbook as well.

It is a relatively easy way to get around your privacy worrys to be honest. I dont know how many times I have been IP banned from forums for trolling only to revisit them from a different location.

The other thing you have to remember with google is that all those searchs done from your computer are done from your computer and beyond that they have no idea who is at the cpu provided you dont have a webcam hooked up.

For example those searchs could be someone using a cpu at your house a family member someone piggybacking on your wifi. Which is why I always keep my wifi open.

Open wifi from your houses/apartments is the best measure to fight the ever mounting invasions of privacy.

If everyones wifi is open it makes it incredibly difficult for anyone tracking your net activity to determine just who that person actually is using it.
 
Hmm i am sorry but i agree with the original post totally here.

No company can be trusted at all... Google Inc is not a saint when it comes to censorship at all....

Google helped Communist China enslave and keep its population in a bubble and keep them enslaved and used censorship through the most powerful media in the world the internet which Google controls sadly.

For the first time i am thinking about using an alternative to Google Inc Search engine actually like Bing or something it's really sad actually :(

I don't like ANY big Corperation at all i am sorry to say i totally agree with "someone else".... he has a right to be concerned especially when that company is abusing human rights... he is 120% in the right here. Privacy is VERY important actually and 1 day that company might use your personal information against you just because of Google past behaviour just for f*cking money...and the abuse of human rights with Google and China... very bad indeed

BBC NEWS | Technology | Google censors itself for China
 
The string "my mom is an alien" has 1.75 million search results, surely that must mean something's going on as well, right?

It's obvious you have a bias against Google, rather than about "privacy" in general.

All businesses have privacy issues, why you choose to harp on Google and Android is not clear to me but I really don't care.

iOS has its ad tracking engine, along with a close software design that could embed far more nefarious things that people don't know about. Same with RIM, WP7, etc.

The fact that Android is open source should make it far more transparent than any of the other software OS out there.
You should really decide whether Google's clever or dumb - they do sell Google Analytics, which based exactly on those numbers.
And hey, you started the numbers game, if you don't remember.

It's obvious you're not reading what I write. If you would, you would've seen me refer to quite a few other issues of privacy not related to said corporation. You would also have seen the reply to the "why deal with Google" question. I have answered it before, when it was asked, on this very thread. Is there a reason you would attempt to debate with someone without actually listening to what they say? Now, in case you don't remember, I've referred to iOS (as well as Palm) after your first dumb joke. Do read.

As for OS - it should be more transparent, but in reality it's more of a very open SDK than a "true OS", as common in the community model. The whole dev. process of Android is actually closed-source. Code is only released to dev's some time after it has been released to the coalition's members, and even than the "Google Experience" apps are still closed source (and do remember what happened with Cyanogen regarding those apps. Not very OS-like). Oh, and the roadmap? No one outside of Google (and probably the coalition as well) knows what's going to be in the next version, so - open source? yes. Transparent? no.
 
I understand where this guy is coming from. Just go about you day to day regular use.

When you want your privacy kept intact use a netbook to wardrive and operate off of someone elses wifi so that nothing can be traced to you personally. Make sure your netbook is purchased in cash and has no personal information on the netbook as well.

It is a relatively easy way to get around your privacy worrys to be honest. I dont know how many times I have been IP banned from forums for trolling only to revisit them from a different location.

The other thing you have to remember with google is that all those searchs done from your computer are done from your computer and beyond that they have no idea who is at the cpu provided you dont have a webcam hooked up.

For example those searchs could be someone using a cpu at your house a family member someone piggybacking on your wifi. Which is why I always keep my wifi open.

Open wifi from your houses/apartments is the best measure to fight the ever mounting invasions of privacy.

If everyones wifi is open it makes it incredibly difficult for anyone tracking your net activity to determine just who that person actually is using it.
Well, that's a bit harsh. I'll personally be satisfied with a proxy if I ever cared enough for one, and a good firewall, but well - wardriving can be a fun leisure time activity, or if you want to wardrive bluetooth, which is a heck of a lot more difficult.

Regarding open wifi - it's enough to have a dynamic IP - than your ID changes often. Also, I'd dare say (without certainty, as of yet, as for the poster's intention), that unencrypted wifi foils the very purpose of wifi, which is a hassle-free, secure intranet (as opposed to WiMax).
 
I have seen nothing that gives me the feeling that my phone is sending any information out that I have not authorized. My GPS can be turned off and when it is activated an icon appears the same as when it is connected to a wifi network. My carrier keeps track of all my usage and I have seen nothing.

The only way to answer your privacy concerns is to give you the link to the privacy terms Android | Site Terms of Service

You have to use common sense when it comes to downloading apps I do not allow apps from creators that want access to my phone list and other personal info when all it does is figure out tips or something simple. If you are going to use the Google features then you will have google collecting information like always.
 
Thank you.
Yes, I went through the terms of service and it's quite general and inclusive (as is often the case), hence my questions.

I have to say I actually like the Android system of app. permissions (however unsuitable it might be for many lay users), although I would've liked some sort of a firewall as well, since it's quite easy asking asking for permissions for a supposed offline app. and than transmitting the data.
 
I stumbled upon this little post here: Android Developers Blog: Analytics for Android Apps

It explains (to developers) how to use Google Analytics to track how users are using your application.

In theory it is not allowed to send any identifying bits of information regarding a user to the Analytics servers. Right...

I find such things scary. I do not want my behaviour - how innocent it may be - tracked.

What scares me more is the "if you have nothing to hide then why bother"-attitude in this thread.
 
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