Anyone boycotting the TSA scanners tomorrow?

[byteware]

Perhaps that is a tad strong? I agree with the sentiment. The TSA is out of control and it is time to take cases through the courts. Hoping that something bad involving a plane does not happen, and then we will long for these abusive days.

And what will you long for when a terrorist detonates a bomb implanted in his body? Cavity searches?

First, I think if all airline CEOs got together and decided that the TSA was bad for business, about all they could do is cry and complain. Unless I am wrong, the TSA is put there by laws tied to new domestic terrorism laws and perhaps the Patriot Act. So the airlines hands are tied and until the laws are changed or ruled upon by the Supreme Court, we are stuck with a system that is sure to get worse.

Actually, that's not true. Airports have the option of using a private security company instead of the TSA.

Congressman urges airports to dump TSA, hire private security firms, some of which are major donors | airport, security, mica - Top Story - WPEC 12 West Palm Beach

And remember folks, once in an SC judge cannot be fired.

Also not true. Just like Congress can impeach a President, they can impeach a Supreme Court Justice.

Justice Samuel Chase was impeached by Congress in 1804.

 

[byteware]

No offence, (Moderators have the power of God and the ability to quash me like a bug and trample my "Freedom of Speech" (Insert a big, old, goofy smiley) but are you kidding?

I was poking fun at President Obama who claimed we now had 57 states.

Bob Maxey (Groveling For Moderator Acceptance)

Mods only have the ability to keep you from speaking here... They don't have the ability to keep you from speaking.

That's not an infringement of your freedom of speech, because the mods don't have that ability.

 

[byteware]

Remember that the President can suspend our rights in case of a true national emergency.

Habeas Corpus only. Not the rest of our rights, and then only in the case of Rebellion or Invasion.

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

If there is a legitimate concern, then yes, search us, strip us, fondle us, scan us, irradiate us, humiliate us, abuse us

 

[byteware]

If I call the cops, there is your probable cause and they can search you.

No, it isn't.

They are arriving at the scene of a potential crime and you get searched.

Negative. They investigate. They ask questions. Doing so may provide them with probable cause, but simply arriving on the scene doesn't give them probable cause.

For instance, arriving at your home on a domestic abuse call doesn't give them probable cause to search you, your house, or your spouse. That simply isn't true.

 

[byteware]

If you was at a friends house and lets say you have an argument. The owners ask you toleave and you refuse. They call the cops and when they arrive and find out you was asked to leave but you refused. The officer will ask you why you didn't leave. After you give an answer the officer ask you to leave. Then when you refuse he will arrest you for trespassing and search youbefore taking you to jail.

You make my point for me. In order for you to argue that I can be searched because I'm on your property... you had to add that I was arrested.

Being searched after being arrested doesn't change on private or public property.

 

[byteware]

Are probable cause laws applicable here? I thought PC laws were to prevent cops from pulling you over or searching you for no good reason. Seems to me, refusing an officer

 

[Dark Jedi]

You make my point for me. In order for you to argue that I can be searched because I'm on your property... you had to add that I was arrested.

Being searched after being arrested doesn't change on private or public property.

If you don't leave my property and I have to involve law enforcement. Then when they come out of course you will be arrested. Because if You wouldn't leave when I asked you. Then you will give the cop the same rant you gave the homeowner about your rights and your not leaving. So that is a mute point as you will be hot headed and not thinking rationally and be spread eagle on the ground.

I will say a homeowner does not have the right to search you at any time on their property. They don't have the right to basically censor you. They can ask you not to say certain things like not to cuss or smoke on the property. If you don't agree to their requests then the please leave comes next.

9/10 times this wont even happen as you don't disrespect your friends house. Unless alcohol is involve LOL.?

 

[byteware]

If you don't leave my property and I have to involve law enforcement. Then when they come out of course you will be arrested. Because if You wouldn't leave when I asked you. Then you will give the cop the same rant you gave the homeowner about your rights and your not leaving. So that is a mute point as you will be hot headed and not thinking rationally and be spread eagle on the ground.

lol... you have to make a ton of assumptions to get to your conclusion.

For all you know, when the cops get there, I could be calmly walking out the door. When they get there, I can claim I was never asked to leave. There was never any sign that I was asked to leave, and that we have been talking. In fact, I had to leave earlier, but you kept me around talking...

The cops will be confused little buggers... they will question you and me... make sure I leave, and then call it a night.

I will say a homeowner does not have the right to search you at any time on their property. They don't have the right to basically censor you. They can ask you not to say certain things like not to cuss or smoke on the property. If you don't agree to their requests then the please leave comes next.

So, we agree.

9/10 times this wont even happen as you don't disrespect your friends house. Unless alcohol is involve LOL.?

This is true. It seems we agree.

 

[Dark Jedi]

Ok I am here waiting to pick my son up from school and I was thinking ( yes I know scary lol). What about curfews local cities and states can in force. Is this a violation of your rights or not?

 

[byteware]

Ok I am here waiting to pick my son up from school and I was thinking ( yes I know scary lol). What about curfews local cities and states can in force. Is this a violation of your rights or not?

Depends on the curfew. Curfews have been deemed unconstitutional, but some have been upheld. Generally those that have been upheld have a slew of exceptions, including for youth exercising their first amendment rights.

Supreme Court allows VA curfew to continue : Libertarian Rock

 

[Dark Jedi]

lol... you have to make a ton of assumptions to get to your conclusion.

For all you know, when the cops get there, I could be calmly walking out the door. When they get there, I can claim I was never asked to leave. There was never any sign that I was asked to leave, and that we have been talking. In fact, I had to leave earlier, but you kept me around talking...

The cops will be confused little buggers... they will question you and me... make sure I leave, and then call it a night.

So, we agree.

I am sorry I can't type all the scenarios but cut me some slack. After all its a lil keyboard in this Droid lol. But yes there are many variables that can come about in that scenario. I was just using worse case.


But yes we are basically in agreement

 

[Bob Maxey]

Also not true. Just like Congress can impeach a President, they can impeach a Supreme Court Justice.

Justice Samuel Chase was impeached by Congress in 1804.

Hey fella, this is what I posted: "Is there anyone here concerned about the election of Supreme Court Judges? They are in it for life and since only the congress can remove them by impeachment, a liberal congress might not want to remove a liberal SC judge."

Kindly tell me where I posted what you quoted and I'll make the correction. I did say they cannot be fired and this is true. They cannot be fired.

Bob

 

[twospirits]

No offence, (Moderators have the power of God and the ability to quash me like a bug and trample my "Freedom of Speech" (Insert a big, old, goofy smiley) but are you kidding?

I was poking fun at President Obama who claimed we now had 57 states.

Bob Maxey (Groveling For Moderator Acceptance)

No offense taken, I was simply asking since i did not know the meaning behind the statement and wanted clarification. (Which EarlyMon provided).

Now as for the comments in bold (highlighted above), don't know whether thats a joke or not, but i assure you no one here on the staff would trample your Freedom of Speech solely because we disagree on certain views expressed. As long as members follow the rules of the forum, there won't be any trampling.

And with that said. you're banned.
(just joking)

As for that video posted by Iowa, that crap really get me pissed. Another fine example of the TSA thinking they are above the law.

TS out

 

[Bob Maxey]

No, it isn't.



Negative. They investigate. They ask questions. Doing so may provide them with probable cause, but simply arriving on the scene doesn't give them probable cause.

For instance, arriving at your home on a domestic abuse call doesn't give them probable cause to search you, your house, or your spouse. That simply isn't true.

"Officer, I am the one who called you." "I asked this man to leave, and he did, but he returned. I think he has a gun and I am concerned for my safety and the safety of my family."

That is all the police need to hear and yes, you will be searched.

Not difficuly for reasonable ment to understand.

Bob Maxey

 

[Bob Maxey]

Doing something that warrants an arrest (not leaving when the officer asks you to) would be something that would allow the officer to search you. Simply not leaving doesn't give the officer probable cause to search you.

If you read the thread, I gave you probable cause. You not leaving or you having a gun on my property when I specifically forbid you for bringing a gun onto my land and then returning. Or something like that.

Not leaving would certainly qualify as probable cause and most likely an arrest. Tell the cops no or fail to obey their commands and see just how long you remain free to walk about.

Bob Maxey

 

[Bob Maxey]

No offense taken, I was simply asking since i did not know the meaning behind the statement and wanted clarification. (Which EarlyMon provided).

Now as for the comments in bold (highlighted above), don't know whether thats a joke or not, but i assure you no one here on the staff would trample your Freedom of Speech solely because we disagree on certain views expressed. As long as members follow the rules of the forum, there won't be any trampling.

And with that said. you're banned.
(just joking)

As for that video posted by Iowa, that crap really get me pissed. Another fine example of the TSA thinking they are above the law.

TS out

Yes, probably was a joke. We still have freedom on the list. Id I say go F your mom, you can ban me for using my freedom of speech. What you are banning however, is not my speech but my lack of good sense and decency.

Some things must be banned because they are, well, simply unacceptable in polite society. Somehow society will survive, I think.

Bob Maxey - Free, Free, Free at Last.

 

[Bob Maxey]

As for that video posted by Iowa, that crap really get me pissed. Another fine example of the TSA thinking they are above the law.

I'll tell you what pisses ME off . . . If we elected strong conservatives and allowed them to run this country according to those proven and demonstrable conservative principals, and if stop listening to special interest groups and most of the democrats, and if we forced people to work rather than absorb resources (lazy welfare consumers that would best serve this country as ingredients in your local Soylent Green Factory) we would solve the majority of our problems.

Every problem we have can be practically eliminated if we simply run this country as the founders intended us to run it. We need to embrace the core Republican ideals because True Conservatism Works. We Need Ronald Regan!!!

Unfortunately, we turn out platoons of uneducated folks that want handouts and are scared silly by the idea that everyone should work. We believe what should be laughed at, and we embrace groups that should not have special embracement (is that even a word?)

Bob Maxey

 

[A.Nonymous]

I'll tell you what pisses ME off . . . If we elected strong conservatives and allowed them to run this country according to those proven and demonstrable conservative principals, and if stop listening to special interest groups and most of the democrats, and if we forced people to work rather than absorb resources (lazy welfare consumers that would best serve this country as ingredients in your local Soylent Green Factory) we would solve the majority of our problems.

Every problem we have can be practically eliminated if we simply run this country as the founders intended us to run it. We need to embrace the core Republican ideals because True Conservatism Works. We Need Ronald Regan!!!

Unfortunately, we turn out platoons of uneducated folks that want handouts and are scared silly by the idea that everyone should work. We believe what should be laughed at, and we embrace groups that should not have special embracement (is that even a word?)

Bob Maxey

Personally, I would vote for a zombie President. Just saying.

 

[byteware]

Hey fella, this is what I posted: "Is there anyone here concerned about the election of Supreme Court Judges? They are in it for life and since only the congress can remove them by impeachment, a liberal congress might not want to remove a liberal SC judge."

Kindly tell me where I posted what you quoted and I'll make the correction. I did say they cannot be fired and this is true. They cannot be fired.

Bob

If you look at the quote, that I have in my post... there is a link a small arrow after your name. Click on that arrow... and it will take you to the post I am quoting from.

 

[EarlyMon]

What's the substantive difference between being fired and removal following impeachment?

 

[byteware]

"Officer, I am the one who called you." "I asked this man to leave, and he did, but he returned. I think he has a gun and I am concerned for my safety and the safety of my family."

That is all the police need to hear and yes, you will be searched.

Not difficuly for reasonable ment to understand.

Bob Maxey

That's not probable cause for a search... what that is... is probable cause for an investigation.

What will happen is this. They will separate us. They will ask you what's going on.

They will ask me what's going on.

They will ask you what you want to happen.

They will ask me what I plan to do.

If I say, that I plan to leave, and not come back... then they will escort me where I want to go, and tell you to call if I come back.

Unless they have probable cause that searching me will reveal something that I am doing illegal... they will not search me.

If you read the thread, I gave you probable cause. You not leaving or you having a gun on my property when I specifically forbid you for bringing a gun onto my land and then returning. Or something like that.

That's not probable cause for a search. Sorry.

That doesn't tell them that I have something illegal hidden on my body.

Not leaving would certainly qualify as probable cause and most likely an arrest. Tell the cops no or fail to obey their commands and see just how long you remain free to walk about.

No one said anything about telling the cops no, or failing to obey their commands. And not leaving when YOU ask me to is not probable cause for a search.

To have probable cause for a search, they would have to have information that told them that I was carrying something illegal on my person. Otherwise, they have no PC to search me.

 

[Bob Maxey]

What's the substantive difference between being fired and removal following impeachment?

Big difference.

It requires two thirds of the House to vote yes and much arguing. Getting fired is much simpler.

Bob Maxey

 

[Bob Maxey]

No one said anything about telling the cops no, or failing to obey their commands. And not leaving when YOU ask me to is not probable cause for a search.

To have probable cause for a search, they would have to have information that told them that I was carrying something illegal on my person. Otherwise, they have no PC to search me.

As I mentioned, I can arrest you. Citizens arrest. That gives me certain powers. But with a CA, there are potential problems. No need to go there because it really does not matter and the laws in your area might differ.

But it is academic. I would likely never need to resort to those measures. You leave when I ask you to leave and you will likely leave, case closed and problem solved.

Bob Maxey

 

[Bob Maxey]

That's not probable cause for a search... what that is... is probable cause for an investigation.

What will happen is this. They will separate us. They will ask you what's going on.

They will ask me what's going on.
They will ask you what you want to happen.
They will ask me what I plan to do.

If I say, that I plan to leave, and not come back... then they will escort me where I want to go, and tell you to call if I come back.

Unless they have probable cause that searching me will reveal something that I am doing illegal... they will not search me.

That's not probable cause for a search. Sorry.

That doesn't tell them that I have something illegal hidden on my body.

No one said anything about telling the cops no, or failing to obey their commands. And not leaving when YOU ask me to is not probable cause for a search.

To have probable cause for a search, they would have to have information that told them that I was carrying something illegal on my person. Otherwise, they have no PC to search me.

If the cops know you have a gun, you will be disarmed by the cops or asked to hand over the gun for their protection, period. Try this little one: call a cop and ask him what he does in a situation where there is an argument between people. Ask him if one has a gun, how he reacts and what he does.

Then come here and tell us what you learned.

Failure to understand a few simple facts means you might learn what a Billy Club is and what how boring grey bars are. What happens to you depends on your attitude and how you behave.

If you carry a gun, the cops will ask for it. If it is concealed, you will be arrested in you do not have a concealed carry permit. If you do have a permit, and if you are not breaking any laws, your gun will be returned. The cops, will, however, relieve you of your weapon during the Q and A session.

If I say leave, you go, Period. If the cops tell you to leave you leave or you are arrested, Period. If you leave and return, you will be arrested, Period.

So get over it sport, you do not know what you are talking about, Period. I have more protected rights as a homeowner than you do as a trespasser.

Bob Period

 

[EarlyMon]

On the substantive difference between being fired and removal after impeachment:

Big difference.

It requires two thirds of the House to vote yes and much arguing. Getting fired is much simpler.

The end result is the same.

However - in many private organizations, and government agencies, managers comment that it takes an Act of Congress to fire someone - because of liability fears, firing is not as common a practice as it possibly should be.

If your point was merely that a SCOTUS judge cannot be _easily_ removed - well, ok.

The rest is semantics, in my personal opinion.