ElasticNinja
Android Expert
Technically yes, but their is no scope for decisions to be made by the party, as it "should" be
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Apple is arrogant and inconsiderate
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omnius
Android Enthusiast
My point was more in regards to Apple appealing more to completely non-techie people who want a trendy and easy doorway into 'cool gizmos' than android. Much in the same way that nintendo blew the doors off sony and microsoft in the console race because the wii catered more than the PS3 and XBox did to kids and their parents who were supplying the money.
Are there more complex, action-oriented, and violent high graphic games on the PS3 and Xbox? Sure. Are there more 'cute/fun' games on the wii? Yes. And the wii isn't even HD. Nintendo banked on hitting a larger market with their approach and it paid off.
Apple hit a larger market than android so far because they built a larger brand name to people who don't have any idea about devices but they do know that they've been bombarded with the word "iPhone" all over TV and other media. iPhones aren't as complex and customizable as androids, but for Mrs. Jones who just wants a fancy phone to facebook her social circle while Timmy is at soccer practice, she's more than likely going to go with what she knows, rather than spending a few days researching mobile technology reviews to learn about them. Let alone spending further time learning the ins and outs of how to tweak an android to its full potential or even learn to use it at all. I think there's probably more people like that than there are of us, and Apple thought so too.
The entire marketing world is like that. Simple, but inferior products that require little to no skill or knowledge to use have always outsold products with higher quality but higher requirements of effort from the user. I'm guilty of it myself. There have been many occasions where I went through the drive-thru for a crappy lunch just because I didn't feel like getting out of my car and waiting 15 minutes for a good lunch somewhere else, even if it cost less. We're a society of quick and easy convenience and the iphone delivers that more than the competition does.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
the Wii is a POS
haven't used mine in 20 months
Nintendo lost a valuable customer
haven't used mine in 20 months
Nintendo lost a valuable customer
Az Scooter
Member
First, unless you learned your math in a school I am unaware of, $6,000,000,000 profit on $25,000,000,000 in sales is no where near a 40% profit margin.
That being said, if people did not feel they had a product worth buying, my guess is their profits would not have been nearly as high. It is the whole better mousetrap thing. Evidently, there are people that feel theirs is better. I know their are some things of theirs I like, like my iPod and iPad, and others I have no use or, so I don't buy those things. I am really glad what I purchase, and what I make, are not dictated to me.
That being said, if people did not feel they had a product worth buying, my guess is their profits would not have been nearly as high. It is the whole better mousetrap thing. Evidently, there are people that feel theirs is better. I know their are some things of theirs I like, like my iPod and iPad, and others I have no use or, so I don't buy those things. I am really glad what I purchase, and what I make, are not dictated to me.
lordofthereef
Android Expert
At this point, iOS is only ahead of Android in the tablet sector.
omnius
Android Enthusiast
wow I'm actually quite surprised by this! After reading your post I just discovered I'm basing my opinion on very old numbers (admittedly, it's been a long time since I last checked) here's the newer figures.
It'll be interesting to see how Apple deals with such a huge fall from Q4 '09 to Q4 '10
lordofthereef
Android Expert
I expect, in time, Apple will sort of fall back to being the "premium user friendly" device maker that moves fewer units but at a much higher price than the competitor, much like they currently are with their macs and we will see some "Hi, I'm Android, and I'm iOS" commercials (or something ridiculous along those lines).
Covart
Android Enthusiast
More specifically, Android is ahead of Apple in the smartphone sector. IOS as a whole is quite a few devices. Remember, iOS consists of Apple TV, iPods, iPads and iPhones, of which Android owns the smartphone arena, but not the tv, mp3 or tablet sectors.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
Is Apple TV big in the US
I know no one who has it here
I know no one who has it here
lordofthereef
Android Expert
Not really.
Covart
Android Enthusiast
It's not that big. They have only sold 2 million of the Apple TV 2's, since it came out last year. Apple still considers the device a red-headed step child.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
Ah fair enough
Round where I live, Apples really big (not just iOS devices) but yeah, I don't know anyone with them
Still waiting for Z TeV
Gmash
Extreme Android User
They'll probably deal with it by counting their money and laughing.
bluenova
OK Computer
For the past 2 years Nintendo sales and profits have been falling whilst Xbox and Playstation remain steady.
jayjay1122
Android Expert
My .02 is that any company that executes its business in a legal manner has the right to make as much or as little money as they are capable of making. They are not obligated or required, in any way, to share or distribute that wealth to anyone or anything!
Now if you wanna get annoyed, how about directing your anger at the people who allowed GE to not pay a single dollar in taxes in 2010 but rather, got a multi-million dollar refund!! NOT GE mind you but the people who made it possible for them to do so...I mean it should be way more upsetting that a family of four with a combined 5 figure income pay more taxes than the third largest company in the world, not that Apple turned a profit!! We (US citizens I mean) should be THRILLED that a US based consumer electronics company turned such a profit!!
Actually, the tax people at GE should be applauded for exploiting a weakness that allowed this to happen and morons at the fed should wake up and be ashamed!!
Now if you wanna get annoyed, how about directing your anger at the people who allowed GE to not pay a single dollar in taxes in 2010 but rather, got a multi-million dollar refund!! NOT GE mind you but the people who made it possible for them to do so...I mean it should be way more upsetting that a family of four with a combined 5 figure income pay more taxes than the third largest company in the world, not that Apple turned a profit!! We (US citizens I mean) should be THRILLED that a US based consumer electronics company turned such a profit!!
Actually, the tax people at GE should be applauded for exploiting a weakness that allowed this to happen and morons at the fed should wake up and be ashamed!!
I will say that it may seem unfair that GE was able to come out with a tax benefit. It is all fair game in an accounting stand point. If you have a net operating loss, you're allowed to carry the loss back two years and forward twenty years and offset past/future taxable profits by the amount you loss, thus the tax benefit. They had a $408 million loss in the US, so are entitled to the carryback/forward.
It was 100% legal what they did. So by your viewpoints, it should be acceptable what they did. While it was very well played by the accountants, it was totally legal. It isn't a refund technically. They're just excused from [$408 million * 35%] worth of taxes in the past/future. Whichever way they decide to allocate it.
The rule is "net operating losses", or NOLs. Just learned about them in Intermediate Accounting 2 and Income Tax class. If you don't take my word for it being legal, just think about it. Tons of other companies have been busted for twisting accounting numbers too far, it's been over a year, GE hasn't gotten in any trouble. It was totally legal.
It was 100% legal what they did. So by your viewpoints, it should be acceptable what they did. While it was very well played by the accountants, it was totally legal. It isn't a refund technically. They're just excused from [$408 million * 35%] worth of taxes in the past/future. Whichever way they decide to allocate it.
The rule is "net operating losses", or NOLs. Just learned about them in Intermediate Accounting 2 and Income Tax class. If you don't take my word for it being legal, just think about it. Tons of other companies have been busted for twisting accounting numbers too far, it's been over a year, GE hasn't gotten in any trouble. It was totally legal.
jayjay1122
Android Expert
Sorry in advance but I think there is a little miscommunication going on here...Looks like either you completely misunderstood my post or I am missing something and you have a strange way of agreeing with me. Basically you just mirrored my entire point (minus the dollars and cents and talk of GE's reported losses) and repeated it back to me as if my post was in opposition to yours!!
Thought I was pretty straight but let me clarify:
1. My comment about legally making profit and not being obligated or required to share or distribute was about Apple (remember the OP? and how this thread started?) and that they should be able to make as much money as they want! But while we are on the subject, of course GE falls under that as well!
2. I also stated pretty clearly that what GE did wasn't illegal nor should they be blamed for taking advantage of tax laws! Not only that, but I said the GE tax people did a great job.
The point of my comments was to reiterate that these companies, while operating legally, are entitled to make as much money as they want!
Now the flip side of course is that when you mention that GE reported US losses of $408 million and that they are entitled to the relief, you should also mention that in conjunction with those losses they actually turned a global profit of more than $10 Billion....which brings me to number 3
3. My statement that said if you want to feel bitter about GE you should blame the people who allowed it to happen, specifically naming the fed.
So again, no GE did not do anything illegal! Are they taking advantage? Of course they are but they are not breaking any laws!!
Again not to bust on you prematurely, but where in my original post did I say anything different??
I re-read it again, I think I just read it wrong the first time through. I mistaked it for another "omg corporations pay too little taxes while the average Joe gets screwed". My apologies, I read it wrong, sorry.
On an off note, I hope my accounting skills get to that point one day of those GE accountants.
On an off note, I hope my accounting skills get to that point one day of those GE accountants.
jayjay1122
Android Expert
