Apps will not transfer from internal to SD card; what's the real reason?

[My Buddy]

I know this is an old thread, but i found it, so will others.
Actually, it is mainly Google's fault, but I'm sure others have a hand in not being able to transfer apps to the sdcard.
My ZTE N817 came preloaded with so many google apps that I'm drowning in them and when I disable or Force stop the ones that i can, I'm left with 1gb of internal storage so I bought a 32gb sdcard with the expectation that I would be able to download and/or transfer apps to it. That is not the case; no apps that I got from Google Play allow me to transfer/download them to the sdcard. There is an option on the phone that says "Download to:" and I chose to download to the sd card but the only things that download to it are pictures, music, etc....no apps. I was able to transfer two non-Google apps to the sdcard but that's it.
Google is Big Brother, invading and controlling our lives; you cannot even remove Google from your life entirely because they have taken over so many aspects of everything we do online, with phones, etc. Not only that Google gives itself the permission to modify or delete your sdcard, which I find disgusting and appalling, how dare they?

So, basically I wasted my time getting an sdcard, and I can only download 3-4 apps, which only download to the internal memory, before I have to delete one or more to get another.
I will say that if you go to every Google app and Delete the memory and disable or Force stop it, you will gain a lot of memory (I went from less than 223mb up to 1gb by doing this), the only downfall is that you can't stop Google Play Services or no other app will run, and on top of that Google Play constantly downloads high-mb updats, further exacerbating the problem).

Bottom line, get a phone with high capacity because Google is in control of your life and the only way to combat it is to make sure you have enough internal memory with a new phone because I have been watching Google very closely both on my phones and online, and they are bent on taking more and more control of everything they can; Hitler is who comes to mind when I think of Google. Just bite the bullet and by a phone with as much capacity as you can afford because Google isn't going away; they've actually been recording everything I say into my phone, I found their hard-to-find recordings and was shocked, deleted them all, and now I don't use my phone for anything to do with voice, I have an old, non-smart phone that I use for communication; i feel less violated and raped that way. Not to mention they delete other apps or erase the data for apps, which pissed me off twice.
Good luck all.

 

[Hadron]

I think there is some misunderstanding here: you say how "disgusting" it is that Google "gives itself the permission to modify or delete your sdcard", but that is the app permission that is needed in order to store data on the sdcard. So if you want apps to store data there, which you say you do, then they have to have that permission.

Google apps are pre-installed on the device, and no pre-installed apps can be moved to sd. But pre-installed apps also live in a different partition, so are not using your space. Of course their internal data are, because all apps' internal data use space in the /data partition, and any updates to those apps also use space in /data, so if you don't want to use a pre-installed app wipe data for it, uninstall updates and then disable if it allows you. But don't assume you would gain space if you could uninstall it or move it to sd, because you wouldn't gain any more than that recipe gives you - the /system partiton, where those apps live, would not decrease in size if you removed them.

You are quite correct to say that you should buy a device with adequate internal space (and even in 2013, when it was introduced, that ZTE was wholly inadequate. I don't think that devices like that should be sold to the unsuspecting public). In particular you should avoid devices (many cheap Chinese phones and tablets, for example) which still use a Gingerbread-style partition scheme whereby /data (apps and app data) and /sdcard (user data and media) are separate partitions. That's not been necessary since 4.0, but some budget manufacturers still do it, and that is the single biggest factor in storage problems, genuinely more significant than the (in)ability to move apps to sd.

I should add that the old gingerbread-style moving to SD only ever moved part of the app, and none of the app data, so it was hardly a panacea. With Marshmallow (6.0) Google did add the ablility to "adopt" an SD card, making it behave exactly like part of the internal storage (including its limitations: you lose the ability to use the card in another device). If you have a device with limited storage this would provide a solution, and a much more effective one than the old limited "move to sd". However, the problem there is that the sort of budget device that has a storage problem is the sort that is least likely to get the update. That is however the manufacturer's fault, not Google's.

I won't comment on the rest, since that is off-topic for this thread, except to note that you seem to have encountered problems that others do not (and failing Godwin's Law, really? ). But if you really want rid of Google, root your device and stick a ROM on it that doesn't include Google apps - that's perfectly possible with a large number of devices, though I don't know what's available for your phone specifically.

 

[My Buddy]

Thank you for your thoughts on the subject, but there seems to be a misunderstanding; my phone is not old, it's an Android 4.4.4 and I have been able to move other apps to the sdcard. I have no lack of space on the sdcard, it's 32gb, far more than what I'll ever need so Google does not need, or have the authority to delete anything from my sdcard, ever, under any circumstances. I have deleted or Force stopped every app that gives them that permission, this is my property, both physical and electronic, they have a lot of nerve taking it upon themselves to oever ride me on my own phone. It's Big Brother, period. I've studied and paid close attention to Google on my phone and I've been dealing with them extensively online for years; they are simply trying to become the biggest monopoly in the world, and given all that I know about their practices I believe they're achieving it unhindered.

I, like just about everyone, am unable to completely remove myself from Google because they are so invasive in just about everything, but I can remove myself from everything I can possible do so.

As for my phone, unfortunately it's a Google phone so I know that I cannot avoid them there, but disabling or Force stopping every unnecessary Google app or function seems to work out alright; deleting the Play Service updates everytime they download them against my will is a task, but I'm happy to do it.

As for rooting my phone, I'm fairly new to smart phones, i've avoided them like the plague for as long as i could so I know nothing about rooting a phone or even what that is, I will check into now that I have your advice. I agree that it is not Google's fault for only giving me a couple of gb of storage, my point was to state the fact that all of Google's apps and data updates always decrease the storage capacity and even downloaded, as opposed to preinstalled, Google apps will not transfer to the sdcard, although other appse, pics, files, music all transfer easily and run perfectly fine so it seems to me that Google is shooting itself in the foot by dictating what I can and cannot do with my property; it's their loss, I no longer use Play Store, I use blackmarket and sole proprietorship apps now, a lot of them are free, don't put a ball and chain around your ankle, and don't act like a Dictatorship.....they actually Want you to use their apps.

Bottom line, it's not a matter of storage space, it's a matter of Big Btother telling us what we can and cannot do with our property, but I'm figuring out more ways of blocking them each time I have an issue with them. It was my ignorance that caused me to buy a phone controlled by Google, it wont happen again and I'll make certain there's plenty of storage for my needs.
Thank you for your thoughts and advice, every bit of information is appreciated.

 

[mikedt]

No "big brother" I don't think, more like a Chinese phone manufacturer being cheap and skimping on the internal storage, Only 4GB total, 1GB usable, I would never even consider getting a device like that. Think the minimum I've ever bought is 8GB on any Android device, including Chinese ones, like phones, tablets, DLP projectors, TV boxes.

The Google reference devices, i.e. Nexus, all have adequate internal storage IMO, usually 32GB these days.

FYI I see a lot of Android devices, but no "Google monopoly" around these parts, in fact there's no Google at all. Here it's called a ZTE U817, and even without all the Google Mobile Services apps, it's still only got about 1GB usable storage in the thing. But on the other hand this is a very low-cost phone, retails for 300 yuan CNY, equivalent of about $50 bucks. It doesn't even have 4G LTE in it.
http://detail.zol.com.cn/cell_phone/index348133.shtml

 

[Hadron]

Ach, search engine gave me the specs of a slightly older device. That one is still very limited in storage, and indeed being newer it's even worse that they included so little.

Rooting is hacking the phone to gain administrator access (to use Windows terminology: root is the Linux admin account). Do be aware that many manufacturers/carriers will consider the warranty void if you modify the system software.

If you are avoiding the Play Store, I will say to be a little careful which alternatives you use. There are legitimate and relatively safe ones, e.g. Amazon (if you want to go through a different big tax-dodging corporate) or F-Droid (if you prefer open source), but there are also download sites that are very careless about what they include and are a malware hazard.

I've actually met plenty of other non-Google apps that won't transfer to SD, and plenty of others that store their data internally (which means it cannot be saved to SD). But since Google don't care about SD (no Nexus devices have one) it's perhaps not so surprising that their apps aren't good at supporting it. Annoyingly one of my most-used (and non-Google) apps on my tablet, which I use for annotating PDFs, does not allow me to change where it stores documents it is working on - I can of course export pdf copies to anywhere else, but unless I delete them they still keep eating my storage. Mind you, I was thankful of that when the SD card in my tablet died suddenly, because it meant I didn't lose any of my work; this is the downside of SD, they are less reliable than flash chips soldered to the motherboard, which is one reason that I don't intend to use the "adoptable storage" feature of Marshmallow myself.

Good luck

 

[chanchan05]

Thank you for your thoughts on the subject, but there seems to be a misunderstanding; my phone is not old, it's an Android 4.4.4 and I have been able to move other apps to the sdcard. I have no lack of space on the sdcard, it's 32gb, far more than what I'll ever need so Google does not need, or have the authority to delete anything from my sdcard, ever, under any circumstances. I have deleted or Force stopped every app that gives them that permission, this is my property, both physical and electronic, they have a lot of nerve taking it upon themselves to oever ride me on my own phone. It's Big Brother, period. I've studied and paid close attention to Google on my phone and I've been dealing with them extensively online for years; they are simply trying to become the biggest monopoly in the world, and given all that I know about their practices I believe they're achieving it unhindered.

I, like just about everyone, am unable to completely remove myself from Google because they are so invasive in just about everything, but I can remove myself from everything I can possible do so.

As for my phone, unfortunately it's a Google phone so I know that I cannot avoid them there, but disabling or Force stopping every unnecessary Google app or function seems to work out alright; deleting the Play Service updates everytime they download them against my will is a task, but I'm happy to do it.

As for rooting my phone, I'm fairly new to smart phones, i've avoided them like the plague for as long as i could so I know nothing about rooting a phone or even what that is, I will check into now that I have your advice. I agree that it is not Google's fault for only giving me a couple of gb of storage, my point was to state the fact that all of Google's apps and data updates always decrease the storage capacity and even downloaded, as opposed to preinstalled, Google apps will not transfer to the sdcard, although other appse, pics, files, music all transfer easily and run perfectly fine so it seems to me that Google is shooting itself in the foot by dictating what I can and cannot do with my property; it's their loss, I no longer use Play Store, I use blackmarket and sole proprietorship apps now, a lot of them are free, don't put a ball and chain around your ankle, and don't act like a Dictatorship.....they actually Want you to use their apps.

Bottom line, it's not a matter of storage space, it's a matter of Big Btother telling us what we can and cannot do with our property, but I'm figuring out more ways of blocking them each time I have an issue with them. It was my ignorance that caused me to buy a phone controlled by Google, it wont happen again and I'll make certain there's plenty of storage for my needs.
Thank you for your thoughts and advice, every bit of information is appreciated.

I'm with Mike and Hadron in this one. Your phone is using old tech. Antiquated in Android terms. It's running 4.4.4 on 2010 tech. That's like runnung Windows 10 on a 2004 laptop. Games nowadays eat up to 50 GB or more, that's like an entire hard drive back in 2004. Wholly inadequate. It's not Google's fault.Non of your problems are. It's actually partly ZTE's fault for selling an inadequate device, and partly your fault for not researching properly. Although that's the inherent difference between an Android and say an iPhone. An iPhone you won't need to do research. Just fork up $500 and you're good to go. With Android you need to do a little research because there exists sub $150 devices that give bad experiences such as you had, because they are inadequate.

 

[Slug]

I've studied and paid close attention to Google on my phone and I've been dealing with them extensively online for years

In that case Google's deep involvement with Android shouldn't have come as such a surprise, surely?

I, like just about everyone, am unable to completely remove myself from Google because they are so invasive in just about everything

Don't use a Google account and you won't exist to Google. Doing so loses convenience and usability, but a Google account is by no means mandatory.

Google apps will not transfer to the sdcard, although other appse, pics, files, music all transfer easily and run perfectly fine so it seems to me that Google is shooting itself in the foot by dictating what I can and cannot do with my property

One reason Google's core apps don't install to external storage is system stability; most run background processes/services and, if installed to an sdcard that suddenly failed, could prevent the device booting. Another reason for not allowing complete app installation to removable storage is piracy.

I no longer use Play Store, I use blackmarket [...]

You mean the "alternative Android app market" Blackmart?

Unlike the Google Play Store, this Android market app let’s you download all the available apps on the black market alpha for free. There is no trial period; all apps can be downloaded for free, so you don’t have to pay a penny.

Yup, that seems legit alright.

Bottom line, it's not a matter of storage space, it's a matter of Big Btother telling us what we can and cannot do with our property

Actually the blame lies with ZTE for producing a device with such woefully-inadequate internal storage in the first place. You can blame Google all you like, but ZTE put the product in the marketplace and as OEM members of the Open Handset Alliance have a big say in how Android itself develops.

 

[My Buddy]

HADRON, thank you so much for the information, I will be careful and I will attempt to root the phone once I've studied the issue. It's not a pressing matter thankfully, I only use it for outgoing calls to businesses only and games; bought it just to see what smart phones are like, I have an off-the-grid phone that I use for everyday purposes. I appreciate your words and information. Thank you.


SLUG and MIKEDT, unfortunately, as I stated, I was new to smart phones and knew nothing about them. I kept buying the same phone over and over for years on Amazon before I decided to finally buy a second phone, the Android, to see what was up with it. I was unaware that it was a Google grenade. And suffice to say that I was not only speaking about smart phones when I spoke of Big Brother. You cannot, in fact, remove yourself from Big..I mean Google entirely online because they have control of so many things and highly influence so many markets that you simply would not be able to do much at all without using Google for one reason or another. I am working with a guy who has "disconnected from Google" and it took him some time and a lot of effort but even he is the first to tell you that it was impossible to disconnect from them entirely. It's not just a matter of having a Google account, mine is fake with no true information except my phone number to verify password changes, but guess what, I received a number of texts and phone calls from ladies using my fake Google name and asking me if I want to F*** and have them S*** me.....I am gay and have never had any dealings with a straight website, let alone one that I was forced to give my phone number to. I believe that makes one point clear: Google uses your information for nefarious purposes. Basically, I've been taking the steps, such as using Firefox and Mozills Thunderbird email, as well as refusing to sign into Google unless it's something i must do, such as syncing with Crome
The monopoly I speak of extends far beyond minor issues such as these phones, I've been paying quite close attention to the things they put their fingers into and once they got a bit of a hold on whatever product/issue/company, etc. they tighten their grasp and start making demands/dictations upon that entity, who needs a massive entity like Google in order to succeed and even thrive....yet they give up their privqacy, rights, and even their dignity doing so. This issue not limited to phones my friend, it is worldwide with Google and encompasses more aspects of the civilized world than you know, and they are ruthless, I've studied the elements of the page sources to see what scripts they are writing behind our backs, you wouldn't like what I found. You visit any in particular page and suddenly you're being tracked all across the internet, your personal information is gained by the websites you visit or or emails you send using a Google controlled email system. They recorded every word I spoke on the android for months, who knows why, but that, sincerely, is Big Brother.

Chanchan05, I agree that it is not Google's fault for the lack of space or whatever other inadequacies this phone has, of course that is the manufacturer, I only meant to point out that Google dumps so many programs and large updates to everyone of them that it uses up the space that I do have so I'm forced to simply end their programs, the ones I can anyway. I know where the blame lies, it's just that Google takes advantage of the situation by over inundating the phones that they're practically useless. I'm only partially inconvenienced by this because it is a second phone, I got it just so I could find out what smart phones were like as I've avoided them up until recently; I don't even have incoming calls to this phone or any personal contacts in the address book. My actual phone has no Google or any apps at all, I continue to buy non-smart phones for that reason: it's under MY control at all times.

I do appreciate everyone's feedback, the more you speak, the more I learn and learning is an obsession of mine so I will listen to any of you on the subject and be thankful that there are people willing to speak up, whether in my favor or not, it's all a learning experience.
Thank you all

 

[chanchan05]

Actually, Google isn't taking advantage per se, but that's part of the licensing agreement to use their services for the phone. And well, as previously said, it's the manufacturer's fault.

You could get an Android phone that's entirely with no Google connection. You just need to root it and get a custom no Google ROM and it would be ok.

 

[My Buddy]

Well, I feel that by Google offering, or being asked, to support these companies, which are far less lucrative and need the support of a massive organization would be extremely hard put to turn down any sort of partnership or agreement with Google, that is why I mentioned that I feel they are selling their dignity and allowing themselves to be dictated to. I don't actually blame them so much in this economy, I just find it hard to stomach seeing all of the permissions that Google imposes upon these entities, and thereby me. I knew noting of having to research issues like these, I never imagined that a company could impose itself and give itself the authority to control so many aspects of a company's merchandise. I was simply ignorant of the fact that Goggle was invasive in the phone industry as much as it is in the computer industry.
It is no matter though, I have decided to throw this phone away and purchase the $5oo iPhone you suggested Chachan. I hope to have a better learning experience with that than I have with this Android.

All being said, however, the black marked and sole proprietorship apps I was finding everywhere needed only a little scrutiny to determine if they were sketchy or above board; I have had some great games, MP3 downloaders, music players and various other apps that I've used a couple times then deleted to make room for something else. I use Malwarebytes and Avast antivirus with real time protection, they are both very good programs, having learned of them through Avast.com i have used them as well as Mcshield, which goes a few steps farther by scanning your attached flash and HDD drives as well as unhiding any files that have been hit by this damned virus that's going around heavily, and i have never had in issue with these non-Play Store apps.....that's just for informational purposes....there are good companies out there, and even if you have to pay a few dollars for the games and apps when they could be gotten free on Play Store it's a good trade off when compared to a company telling me that it has the right to delete my sdcard, use my photos online without permission, record every phone call I make, copy and/or modify any text that I send, alter or delete any of my contacts or even use my contacts and call them directly with their sick, perverted sexual advances or whatever marketing schemes they're constantly cooking up. Even Miccrosoft goes to Google for some things, a company that should never need the aid of another, but I suppose we all have the ability to lower our standards and tolerate things that should not even have been proposed to them in the first place.....just like us.
Thank you again, and I will take you up on your suggestion to buy an iPhone, that is the kind of advice I needed and I appreciate it.

 

[chanchan05]

Well, I feel that by Google offering, or being asked, to support these companies, which are far less lucrative and need the support of a massive organization would be extremely hard put to turn down any sort of partnership or agreement with Google, that is why I mentioned that I feel they are selling their dignity and allowing themselves to be dictated to. I don't actually blame them so much in this economy, I just find it hard to stomach seeing all of the permissions that Google imposes upon these entities, and thereby me. I knew noting of having to research issues like these, I never imagined that a company could impose itself and give itself the authority to control so many aspects of a company's merchandise. I was simply ignorant of the fact that Goggle was invasive in the phone industry as much as it is in the computer industry.
It is no matter though, I have decided to throw this phone away and purchase the $5oo iPhone you suggested Chachan. I hope to have a better learning experience with that than I have with this Android.

All being said, however, the black marked and sole proprietorship apps I was finding everywhere needed only a little scrutiny to determine if they were sketchy or above board; I have had some great games, MP3 downloaders, music players and various other apps that I've used a couple times then deleted to make room for something else. I use Malwarebytes and McShiled with real time protection, and McShield goes a few steps farther by scanning your attached flash and HHD drives as well as unhiding any files that have been hit by this damned virus that's going around heavily, and i have never had in issue with these non-Play Store apps.....that's just for informational purposes....there are good companies out there, and even if you have to pay a few dollars for the games and apps when they could be gotten free on Play Store it's a good trade off when compared to a company telling me that it has the right to delete my sdcard, use my photos online without permission, record every phone call I make, copy and/or modify any text that I send, alter or delete any of my contacts or even use my contacts and call them directly with their sick, perverted sexual advances or whatever marketing schemes they're constantly cooking up. Even Miccrosoft goes to Google for some things, a company that should never need the aid of another, but I suppose we all have the ability to lower our standards and tolerate things that should not even have been proposed to them in the first place.....just like us.
Thank you again, and I will take you up on your suggestion to buy an iPhone, that is the kind of advice I needed and I appreciate it.

Going for iPhone isn't going to make a difference. You're just exchanging who's getting your data.

Plus you won't know what permissions apps are getting on your phone. Take Apple's Maps function (is that still up), it has the same permissions as Google Maps on Android. They just don't tell you. And the smaller companies aren't being supported by Google. Android is open source. It's free to use by the companies. However, Google does have an all or nothing policy. If you want Google Play Store access, you need to get all of the Google core apps.

And no, Google does not have the right to delete your SD card. You are misintepreting the word 'permissions' in this case.

For example, Avast. As an app, it asks for the permission to be able to delete your SD card as well. It needs it for the feature to wipe your phone if ever it was stolen. Google also has that feature accessible via Android Device Manager. Apple also has that permission.

 

[Bg260]

@My Buddy
Check this.
http://www.euroga.org/forums/websit...2-rooted-experts-here-who-know-about-symlinks

This is why Android is superior in my book. Yes you do own the device. So OWN it. You can wipe it to a blank canvas and build it up from scratch. Google doesn't have anywhere near the hold on its line as Apple does. Your talking about getting out of the frying pan etc...........

My answer root it, custom rom, Pico GApps.

 

[My Buddy]

Although that's the inherent difference between an Android and say an iPhone. An iPhone you won't need to do research. Just fork up $500 and you're good to go.

Chan, I must have misinterpreted what you were saying, it sounded to me like you were giving me an alternative to dealing with things the hard way. You apparently know what you're talking about, as do the others here, but please understand that I know nothing of these things as i have never used a smart phone, by intent, this is the first one I got and I simply picked out anything just to learn on. At the time I wasn't aware of permissions and such so I would have had no way of knowing what I was getting into. It's alright though, we live and we learn and I'm not going to stress over it, I'll simply toss this one out and do a little research on the next one now that I know the basics.
I believe your comment sincerely about Apple being the bigger brother, but Apple is not part of my life so I'm stuck with dealing with Google. I'm being coached by a "friend" on the necessary steps to take, but even so I was told that I could not get Google out of my life completely so I'm really not all that concerned......but I well be if I lose my favorite pictures of my paralyzed mother who's suffering from Alzheimer's and dementia and may have only a few more years to live.....not to mention 1000 or songs I transferred from my computer to the sdcard, but that can always be redone.

bg260, unfortunately I am fairly new to smart phones and I do not know how to root a phone and do the things you suggest. This is the second time it was suggested to me that I do this, but i'm afraid that the information I get from researching the internet may leave me with gaps that I don't understand so may not be able to do it. I have only looked into it minimally since it was first mentioned, but I have no one around me who knows computers better than I, which means I have no one to explain details that I will probably miss. I will do my best to do as you both have suggested though. I hope it works out, I really don't like companies in my business unless I make it their business.
Thank you guys once again, you've given me some understandings and some things to think about, as well as pointed me in a direction to do some research. I appreciate you guys discussing these issues with me, I wasn't expecting anyone to even see my post due to the age of the thread. I'm pleasantly surprised, Thank You all.

 

[chanchan05]

I'd suggest you just get a newer phone with Marshmallow (Android 6.0). Google took into account people being wary about the permissions, that they implemented a feature that allows what permissions an app is allowed on a per permission basis.

We can use Facebook app as an example. Among the permissions it requests are access to storage, internet access, location access. Obviously we'll grant it internet access. However, you don't want it to know your location. On Android Marshmallow, you can specifically allow Facebook to have internet permission, but deny it location permission. You can also deny it storage access, but that means it can't upload photos.

This is if you plan to stick with an unrooted Android.

These days, it's really just up to you who to trust with your information, and what info you are willing to let them use. Apple, Microsoft, Google, or Samsung (Samsung has their own cloud services).

However, the part where someone called you using info from your Google accountn is sketchy. Google vehemently denies it sells your info that way as per their policy. https://privacy.google.com/about-ads.html

 

[My Buddy]

You've given me some great advice and my inexperience in the matter will be bolstered quite well thanks to you and the others.
But yes, she actually texted me after 2am the first time and just said "hey". Naturally I ignore people who don't identify themselves. But a couple days later she did the same thing at around 3am but this time she directly called me by the fake name I had given Google/Chrome. I texted her back and asked who the F*** this was texting me at 3am and her response was "I just thought you would like me to S*** your C*** and let you F*** me for the rest of the night.
Now, believe me when I tell you that there are no females in my life that are unaware of the fact that I am 100% gay and I and I have never been ashamed of it or hid it from anyone. I'm prettty big, tough guy, the opposite of what you were probably imagining, and the only three people who have ever tried to make an issue out of it regretted it, including the all star quarterback in high school (who, btw, came knocking one night not long after lolol_)....My point is, no one in my life ever has or is no kept in the dark about my sexual orientation. The chick assumed she was calling a straight male and she used the exact name I use for Google/Chrome. Too much of a coincidence to be anything other than Google usurping our private information and using it for God knows what purposes. I cannot fathom what this chick stood to gain by sending these texts. The last one she sent I replied with well orchestrated text, manipulating my words to illicit a further response from her; I feel bad for doing so because I was politely harsh with her and suggested she get a better job because some people commit suicide in such dreary stations in life. Yes, before you say it, that was an evil thing to say to her, but she actually replied and said "I'm sorry for doing that to you." I'm not proud of what I said, but getting texts at 3am is unacceptable. There is no doubt in my mind that she not only got that fake name from Google, but where else could she have gotten my number? Google/Chrome are the only entities online that I was forced to use my real number.......I think there's far more behind the curtain than what shows out front with Google, and unfortunately, I highly doubt that many people are aware that something is amiss. Out of sight, out of mind, Google is using that concept quite well.
Once again, thank you for your advice; would you mind accepting a bit of mine? Try not to give Google any true information other than your phone number, because that is mandatory is most situations. I've begun removing them from my life because I don't like Big Brother and I don't like being spied on or harassed or to receive unknown sexual assaults in the middle of the night. There are a number of other issues I wont go into because I've spoken far too much on the subject. I'm usually quiet and when I need to act, I act without hesitation, but it's been nice speaking with you guys. Have a great rest of the day.

 

[chanchan05]

You've given me some great advice and my inexperience in the matter will be bolstered quite well thanks to you and the others.
But yes, she actually texted me after 2am the first time and just said "hey". Naturally I ignore people who don't identify themselves. But a couple days later she did the same thing at around 3am but this time she directly called me by the fake name I had given Google/Chrome. I texted her back and asked who the F*** this was texting me at 3am and her response was "I just thought you would like me to S*** your C*** and let you F*** me for the rest of the night.
Now, believe me when I tell you that there are no females in my life that are unaware of the fact that I am 100% gay and I and I have never been ashamed of it or hid it from anyone. I'm prettty big, tough guy, the opposite of what you were probably imagining, and the only three people who have ever tried to make an issue out of it regretted it, including the all star quarterback in high school (who, btw, came knocking one night not long after lolol_)....My point is, no one in my life ever has or is no kept in the dark about my sexual orientation. The chick assumed she was calling a straight male and she used the exact name I use for Google/Chrome. Too much of a coincidence to be anything other than Google usurping our private information and using it for God knows what purposes. I cannot fathom what this chick stood to gain by sending these texts. The last one she sent I replied with well orchestrated text, manipulating my words to illicit a further response from her; I feel bad for doing so because I was politely harsh with her and suggested she get a better job because some people commit suicide in such dreary stations in life. Yes, before you say it, that was an evil thing to say to her, but she actually replied and said "I'm sorry for doing that to you." I'm not proud of what I said, but getting texts at 3am is unacceptable. There is no doubt in my mind that she not only got that fake name from Google, but where else could she have gotten my number? Google/Chrome are the only entities online that I was forced to use my real number.......I think there's far more behind the curtain than what shows out front with Google, and unfortunately, I highly doubt that many people are aware that something is amiss. Out of sight, out of mind, Google is using that concept quite well.
Once again, thank you for your advice; would you mind accepting a bit of mine? Try not to give Google any true information other than your phone number, because that is mandatory is most situations. I've begun removing them from my life because I don't like Big Brother and I don't like being spied on or harassed or to receive unknown sexual assaults in the middle of the night. There are a number of other issues I wont go into because I've spoken far too much on the subject. I'm usually quiet and when I need to act, I act without hesitation, but it's been nice speaking with you guys. Have a great rest of the day.

Or simply because you own a non mainstream Chinese device. There was a Chinese cellphone manufacturer recently who received flak for having an embedded program in the phone to collect your Gmail data. Another Chinese company who makes popular apps (Cheetah Mobile, devs of Clean Master, QuickPic, etc) made no qualms in saying yes they collect and sell your data. It's not necessarily Google.

EDIT:
For the record, I use Google completely. No issues whatsoever. No email or text or call from ad marketers and the like. I even had a Google+ account once that was quite updated. Which is why your complaints of Google selling your data the way you think they do baffles me. A lot of us here do as I do, and I haven't seen them have similar complaints to you.

 

[mikedt]

Yeh, if one is using a China phone. Your personal info could well have leaked via Beijing or Shenzhen, rather than Mountain View, California. Might not be Google at all, and remember Google is banned and outlawed here in the PRC.

@My Buddy, what keyboard are you using on your ZTE? Like, "fake name I had given Google/Chrome", something like that could very well have been phoned home and sold to third-parties by something that wasn't Google.

 

[My Buddy]

Both of you clearly have a good deal of experience with this issue, and clearly know far more about any of it than I do, so i defer to your judgement. However, there is the one issue of the fake name I used for Google/Chrome......I intentionally gave a rather exotic sounding, invented name to not only throw them out of the ball field, but out of the city as well when it comes to identifying me. I used them both for many years without problems as well, they both were my favorite tools for being online. Apparently that changed when I got this Android because it wasn't too long after I received it that I got the first text then the subsequent ones.

In my view, whether Googgle is directly invading my privacy and raping me, or if they are selling/giving my information to a third party does not hold much of a distinction with me. I gave them direct, private, personal information about me and entrusted them to be civil, decent human beings and safeguard my information, thereby protecting me by holding to higher standards. I clearly overestimated their concern for their fellow human beings and feel violated by them the most, whether it is them doing it or not, because people/companies who operate with a conscience and a sense of decency would not do such a thing to someone who gave them their trust.
Perhaps I'm too idealistic for this day and age, but I don't believe I'll ever apologize for that. If we held these companies to standards of decency and refused to let them get away with some of the things they do, even if it's just selling someone's phone number to a third party, then perhaps at least some minor change could be brought about, but unfortunately I do not have faith in the people, of America at least, to simply say "No" and walk away, like I'm doing.
Forgive me for sounding angry, but in fact I am. That last text I received a short while ago made it clear to me that I'm going to have to change my real phone number, and I've had that number since the year 2000, it will be quite annoyed if I have to do that; my phone is used as the center of contact for family and friends all across the US. I hurt at the thought of changing it and at the thought of what Google has done or is responsible for what is being done.
I've already removed my browser, switched to a non Google email system, deleted all Google/Chrome apps but I've got a big chore ahead of me which i will never be able to actually complete due to the conglomerate monopoly which continues to grow and invade as quietly as possible. You should see the scripts written into the source of Google pages nd ones they influence......Big Brother is real, and they know who we are, intimatelyl

I apologize you guys, I must end this conversation. I don't want to say goodbye on a bad note so I'll repeat myself yet again, thank you guys for discussing this subject with someone who's ignorant of it, and thank you for the advice and information you've passed along. Perhaps because of some of the things you've said to me had enough of an effect to on me to not aim the shotgun solely at Google, perhaps they just don't see that allowing my phone number to end up in someone elses hands has and is causing me a feeling of being invqaded and raped. I may be gay, but I would not tolerate this from a man anymore than I would a woman, it's simply wrong to find that you can't trust these days, but thankfully there are people like you guys to give me words of Today's wisdom so that I can work on just learning to accept it aqnd live with it.
Take care guys.

 

[mikedt]

In my view, whether Googgle is directly invading my privacy and raping me, or if they are selling/giving my information to a third party does not hold much of a distinction with me.

I have an idea, and it's NOT Google who's been "raping" you. You stated earlier you use Blackmart for your apps, which includes pirated paid apps and games. blackmart.cn

NO Google in China!

Perhaps you should get that iPhone, think you'll be safer then, as long as you don't jailbreak it. With Apple iOS you can only install apps from the iTunes Store, i.e. it's a walled-garden.

 

[Bg260]

Perhaps you should get that iPhone, think you'll be safer then, as long as you don't jailbreak it. With Apple iOS you can only install apps from the iTunes Store, i.e. it's a walled-garden.

 

[Sorc98]

I think there is some misunderstanding here: you say how "disgusting" it is that Google "gives itself the permission to modify or delete your sdcard", but that is the app permission that is needed in order to store data on the sdcard. So if you want apps to store data there, which you say you do, then they have to have that permission.

Google apps are pre-installed on the device, and no pre-installed apps can be moved to sd. But pre-installed apps also live in a different partition, so are not using your space. Of course their internal data are, because all apps' internal data use space in the /data partition, and any updates to those apps also use space in /data, so if you don't want to use a pre-installed app wipe data for it, uninstall updates and then disable if it allows you. But don't assume you would gain space if you could uninstall it or move it to sd, because you wouldn't gain any more than that recipe gives you - the /system partiton, where those apps live, would not decrease in size if you removed them.

You are quite correct to say that you should buy a device with adequate internal space (and even in 2013, when it was introduced, that ZTE was wholly inadequate. I don't think that devices like that should be sold to the unsuspecting public). In particular you should avoid devices (many cheap Chinese phones and tablets, for example) which still use a Gingerbread-style partition scheme whereby /data (apps and app data) and /sdcard (user data and media) are separate partitions. That's not been necessary since 4.0, but some budget manufacturers still do it, and that is the single biggest factor in storage problems, genuinely more significant than the (in)ability to move apps to sd.

I should add that the old gingerbread-style moving to SD only ever moved part of the app, and none of the app data, so it was hardly a panacea. With Marshmallow (6.0) Google did add the ablility to "adopt" an SD card, making it behave exactly like part of the internal storage (including its limitations: you lose the ability to use the card in another device). If you have a device with limited storage this would provide a solution, and a much more effective one than the old limited "move to sd". However, the problem there is that the sort of budget device that has a storage problem is the sort that is least likely to get the update. That is however the manufacturer's fault, not Google's.

I won't comment on the rest, since that is off-topic for this thread, except to note that you seem to have encountered problems that others do not (and failing Godwin's Law, really? ). But if you really want rid of Google, root your device and stick a ROM on it that doesn't include Google apps - that's perfectly possible with a large number of devices, though I don't know what's available for your phone specifically.

I know this is an old thread, but i found it, so will others.
Actually, it is mainly Google's fault, but I'm sure others have a hand in not being able to transfer apps to the sdcard.
My ZTE N817 came preloaded with so many google apps that I'm drowning in them and when I disable or Force stop the ones that i can, I'm left with 1gb of internal storage so I bought a 32gb sdcard with the expectation that I would be able to download and/or transfer apps to it. That is not the case; no apps that I got from Google Play allow me to transfer/download them to the sdcard. There is an option on the phone that says "Download to:" and I chose to download to the sd card but the only things that download to it are pictures, music, etc....no apps. I was able to transfer two non-Google apps to the sdcard but that's it.
Google is Big Brother, invading and controlling our lives; you cannot even remove Google from your life entirely because they have taken over so many aspects of everything we do online, with phones, etc. Not only that Google gives itself the permission to modify or delete your sdcard, which I find disgusting and appalling, how dare they?

So, basically I wasted my time getting an sdcard, and I can only download 3-4 apps, which only download to the internal memory, before I have to delete one or more to get another.
I will say that if you go to every Google app and Delete the memory and disable or Force stop it, you will gain a lot of memory (I went from less than 223mb up to 1gb by doing this), the only downfall is that you can't stop Google Play Services or no other app will run, and on top of that Google Play constantly downloads high-mb updats, further exacerbating the problem).

Bottom line, get a phone with high capacity because Google is in control of your life and the only way to combat it is to make sure you have enough internal memory with a new phone because I have been watching Google very closely both on my phones and online, and they are bent on taking more and more control of everything they can; Hitler is who comes to mind when I think of Google. Just bite the bullet and by a phone with as much capacity as you can afford because Google isn't going away; they've actually been recording everything I say into my phone, I found their hard-to-find recordings and was shocked, deleted them all, and now I don't use my phone for anything to do with voice, I have an old, non-smart phone that I use for communication; i feel less violated and raped that way. Not to mention they delete other apps or erase the data for apps, which pissed me off twice.
Good luck all.

 

[Sorc98]

Best solution I have found for moving the apps that don't move. X-plore file manager in the google play store.

 

[Binx Bolling]

I tried to transfer a game onto an SD card. I have a ZTE Quest phone that is pretty basic. The game required an update, and the phone didn't have enough internal storage to allow it. I called the carrier and I was told to purchase an SD card with a certain amount of storage. I'm not sure if it was 8 or 16 gigs. They said I could transfer the game onto the card. So I tried that.

I went to Best Buy and bought an SD card, and the tech person even put it in the phone. But when he tried to transfer the game to the card, he couldn't do it. Apparently the phone does not allow it, or it is the game manufacturer that does not let people put games on external storage devices, in my case, an SD card. My post reflects hours of frustration, with one person telling me one thing and another person saying something else. If there is a way to transfer the game to the card, I've love to hear it. But I took the card back to Best Buy for a refund and I'm glad they gave me one.

I also had to reinstall the game onto my phone, which eliminated all of the progress I had made to that point. So that was the worst thing, losing my progress. I guess there is a way to do it with Google Play so you don't lose your progress, but I didn't know.