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Are Rush Limbaugh & Glenn Beck on the Mark

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On the mark? No. You only have to listen to Rush for about five minutes before you hear a lie and about a minute before you hear something violent or insulting. Glenn Beck is just a glorified conspiracy theorist, along with other crazies such as Michael Savage and so on.

Like how Rush told his listeners that Obama is putting small business owners out of business with his taxes to businesses over $250,000 (which I guess would hurt small business owners). In reality, only 2% of small businesses report net income over $250,000.

How about how he declares himself leader of the Republican party?

How about how he gets mad at other Republican leaders for wanting Obama to succeed as a president? He doesn't just want Obama's policies to fail, he wants him to fail as a president.

How about how he used to preach daily against drugs and how drug users were the scourge of the Earth, while he was scamming to get OxyContin and other pills before finally checking himself into rehab?

Of course there's entire books on this idiot and if you want the real proof of his lies, go look it up. There used to be news segments dedicated to picking out a few of his lies every week and refuting them.
 
Ddoolin... don't waste ur characters. Ideologs don't want facts. You just wasted a post explaining something that everyone already knows ... only to have someone refute it by asking to see Obama's BC or by calling Pelosi a socialist. It's useless... and ill prob get banned for this but Dems are pussies... and teamongerers are majority and wealthy americans afraid of the changing demographics in US. Hence the term "we want our country back". They feel the social and economic "power" they have is slipping... and it is. A black president topped the cake... it was a call to political arms. Keep their social and economic grip by any means neccessary. Kill any entitlement, health care expansion, voter drive (acorn), progressive law, by any means neccessary. . . And make it seem like for other legitimate (deficit, constitution, socialist, kill grandma) reasons. By any means neccessary even if it means stalling and stiffling the already on edge economy to give reason for revolution. Even if it means race baiting.

What's going on is obvious and needs no explanation. Keep the demographic social shift from happening at all costs by keeping power and the status quo.

Forgive the grammar im on my dx. . . And shout out to the Queen City ddoolin where im from :-)
 
Anyone noticed that the person who started this discussion is now a Guest?

And you guys have all changed my mind. I am ready to quit my job and stay home and watch TV waiting for my check. I am tired of working just to see it all taken away and redistributed to the less hard working - I mean less fortunate.

Who needs a new phone every year anyway.

I'll just take whatever the Government issue phone is because it is best for me. And healthcare and car and whatever else our benevolent masters decide is best for us.

I am so glad they are here now to tell us how to live and what to do - people really aren't very good at making decisions for themselves anyway.

Go Progressives!

(psssst - look up slavery in the dictionary. But don't tell them I told you to - they might take away my healthcare or only give me a half ration of my approved recreational drugs)
 
Highland Ranger said:
Anyone noticed that the person who started this discussion is now a Guest?

And you guys have all changed my mind. I am ready to quit my job and stay home and watch TV waiting for my check. I am tired of working just to see it all taken away and redistributed to the less hard working - I mean less fortunate.

Who needs a new phone every year anyway.

I'll just take whatever the Government issue phone is because it is best for me. And healthcare and car and whatever else our benevolent masters decide is best for us.

I am so glad they are here now to tell us how to live and what to do - people really aren't very good at making decisions for themselves anyway.

Go Progressives!

(psssst - look up slavery in the dictionary. But don't tell them I told you to - they might take away my healthcare or only give me a half ration of my approved recreational drugs)
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Glad you feel that way.

Sounds like the Christian American way. Imagine if Jesus was American. Why I divide my fish with lazy arab socialists? Why should I heal the sick and needy, who are too lazy to die like the rest? It's not my fault who was born a savior and who was not.

Why should your taxes be redistributed to a paved road. . .so and so can ride his bike on my good hard earned money?

I'll take whatever job-reducing trade agreement big business lobbyist tell me is good for me, or I'll blindly follow a party which spoon feeds me with talking points and makes me feel good about being greedy. Who cares we're "real" americans anyway.

Go deceived!

(psssst - look up brainwash in the dictionary. . . but don't tell them I told you so. . . because who knows, they could take away my "habeas corpus" or start a war and only capture a substitute for my approved terrorist of choice.)

(and psssst again. . . we can have a real thought provoking discussion. . . and exchange ideas (which I respect even if I don't agree with) or you can continue to get yourself embarrassed by attempting to sarcastically put me in my place. Your move. Game on.)
 
Brab - you're back! Nice to see you. Guess they booted you and you rejoined under a different name? Those issues you have with religon are a dead giveaway - hope you work it out. Let go the hate man. It'll eat you up.

To the topic - its not about republicans or democrats or religion.

The politicians are all nuts, theives and liars in it for themselves. We'd be better if, as the founders intended we were represented by unpaid citizens who served a term and then moved on vs career politicians.

And I'm not so sure that in the final analysis religion is a plus for civilization. But that's another conversation.

Don't intentionally muddy the water. Let's see if we can cut through the intellectual rhetoric and misdirection for the benefit of others. As clearly as possible:

1. I work. I am compensated for my time and effort of which I have a limited amount.

2. If I choose to give you money because you are somehow less fortunate or were hit by an earthquake or hurricane that is called charity. That means I choose to give you some of my time, my life the most precious thing I have represented in those dollars to help you with yours because its the right thing to do.

3. On the other hand if you TAKE the money from me aka redistribute the wealth I generated in the form of unfair and oppressively high taxes - that is called stealing. You are stealing my life, taking from me without my permission. And of course some basic level of taxes need to be collected for the common defense and roads and such. But not at effective rates north of 40%, 50% 60% + . . . . that's theft.

Is all this really that hard to understand? This is about you stealing from me. Plain and simple. Or is it just a matter of gimme my freebies? Or a matter of being in control of everything because as a progressive you know better?

It's one or another - the scam of altruism is over . . . no one buys it.

If its freebies, well in the end they aren't free and hope you enjoy your chains.

If you admit that it is about power, well at least you're honest.

Just remember, the human reaction to this will be either to fight it and win or ultimately give in to it and just make sure there won't be anything worth taking.

And once the seven non-productive people I support with my taxes stop getting their checks because I and others like me decide to stop working and wait for our handout . . . . how do you think that will end?

And why would progressives want that outcome? Pretty transparent when you think about it. Never waste a crisis eh Rahm?
 
Highland Ranger said:
The politicians are all nuts, theives and liars in it for themselves. We'd be better if, as the founders intended we were represented by unpaid citizens who served a term and then moved on vs career politicians.
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Uh...what evidence supports your claim? Legislators handle very complicated tasks, and it typically takes two full years before a newbie lawmaker even begins to get the hang of how the House and Senate work and how laws are made.

Highland Ranger said:
3. On the other hand if you TAKE the money from me aka redistribute the wealth I generated in the form of unfair and oppressively high taxes - that is called stealing. You are stealing my life, taking from me without my permission. And of course some basic level of taxes need to be collected for the common defense and roads and such. But not at effective rates north of 40%, 50% 60% + . . . . that's theft.
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Nope. At the moment, the highest federal tax rate is below 40%. It ought to be at 49% for the wealthiest. The rich have an obligation to pay more proportionately because without what this country gives them, they'd be a lot poorer, even without the taxes. Hey, you could always move to anothe country, eh?


Highland Ranger said:
It's one or another - the scam of altruism is over . . . no one buys it.
And once the seven non-productive people I support with my taxes stop getting their checks because I and others like me decide to stop working and wait for our handout . . . . how do you think that will end?
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Perhaps they'll stop by your house and put your head on a pike. That's what will happen if we don't reverse the current trend of "everything for the rich, crumbs for the poor."

Heads on pikes. It has a nice ring to it, and it certainly would rid our society of the greedy, at least for a while. :)
 
hakr100 said:
Uh...what evidence supports your claim? Legislators handle very complicated tasks, and it typically takes two full years before a newbie lawmaker even begins to get the hang of how the House and Senate work and how laws are made.
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Does that qualify you to be President after two years of voting "present?"

Nope. At the moment, the highest federal tax rate is below 40%. It ought to be at 49% for the wealthiest.
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Why stop there? You seem to be comfortable with deciding what people will do with the money they make, why not take it all?

Heads on pikes. It has a nice ring to it, and it certainly would rid our society of the greedy, at least for a while. :)
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That worked very well, in France and Russia. Oh wait... What makes you think that they won't be by your house? Are you going to shout "Kill them, not me. I voted to tax everyone for all of the free things I want to give you! I am sorry that we ran out of money because spending our way to prosperity should have worked! Really, it should have! If you don't believe that, you're stupid and put that pike down you greedy cretins!!! How dare you want food when the guy over there only has water!?"
 
3devious said:
Why stop there? You seem to be comfortable with deciding what people will do with the money they make, why not take it all?
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I think federal income tax rates should remain where they are for individuals earning $250,000 or less, and should work their way up quickly to 49% on that part of an individual's income over $250,000. I also think military spending should be cut in half as the economy improves and mustered out soldiers can apply for civilian jobs. Cutting the military budget would save at least $500 billion a year, and would still leave our military spending at a multiple many times that of other countries, including Communist China.
 
hakr100 said:
I think federal income tax rates should remain where they are for individuals earning $250,000 or less, and should work their way up quickly to 49% on that part of an individual's income over $250,000. I also think military spending should be cut in half as the economy improves and mustered out soldiers can apply for civilian jobs. Cutting the military budget would save at least $500 billion a year, and would still leave our military spending at a multiple many times that of other countries, including Communist China.
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Why do you feel it is fine to confiscate nearly half of an individuals income? And why do you discriminate based on income?
 
hakr100 said:
I think federal income tax rates should remain where they are for individuals earning $250,000 or less, and should work their way up quickly to 49% on that part of an individual's income over $250,000. I also think military spending should be cut in half as the economy improves and mustered out soldiers can apply for civilian jobs. Cutting the military budget would save at least $500 billion a year, and would still leave our military spending at a multiple many times that of other countries, including Communist China.
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Stupidest idea heard today.
 
Glenn and Rush are 'entertainers'- I believe much of the firebrand attitude is there to pull in an audience, Glenn himself admits it. There are also times when even the staunchest liberal agrees with them, though granted the other 99% may make up for it...

If you're interested, there's even an android app dedicated to Beck / Rush / Bill O and Hannity as a quote of the day widget called 'Conservative Quoter'. On the other scale, theres a series of 'isms' apps (beckisms etc) that function similarly but in the context of mocking them instead of posting serious quotes.

Conservative Quoter - Widget v1.0 Application for Android | Entertainment
 
Highland Ranger said:
Brab - you're back! Nice to see you. Guess they booted you and you rejoined under a different name? Those issues you have with religon are a dead giveaway - hope you work it out. Let go the hate man. It'll eat you up.

To the topic - its not about republicans or democrats or religion.

The politicians are all nuts, theives and liars in it for themselves. We'd be better if, as the founders intended we were represented by unpaid citizens who served a term and then moved on vs career politicians.

And I'm not so sure that in the final analysis religion is a plus for civilization. But that's another conversation.

Don't intentionally muddy the water. Let's see if we can cut through the intellectual rhetoric and misdirection for the benefit of others. As clearly as possible:

1. I work. I am compensated for my time and effort of which I have a limited amount.

2. If I choose to give you money because you are somehow less fortunate or were hit by an earthquake or hurricane that is called charity. That means I choose to give you some of my time, my life the most precious thing I have represented in those dollars to help you with yours because its the right thing to do.

3. On the other hand if you TAKE the money from me aka redistribute the wealth I generated in the form of unfair and oppressively high taxes - that is called stealing. You are stealing my life, taking from me without my permission. And of course some basic level of taxes need to be collected for the common defense and roads and such. But not at effective rates north of 40%, 50% 60% + . . . . that's theft.

Is all this really that hard to understand? This is about you stealing from me. Plain and simple. Or is it just a matter of gimme my freebies? Or a matter of being in control of everything because as a progressive you know better?

It's one or another - the scam of altruism is over . . . no one buys it.

If its freebies, well in the end they aren't free and hope you enjoy your chains.

If you admit that it is about power, well at least you're honest.

Just remember, the human reaction to this will be either to fight it and win or ultimately give in to it and just make sure there won't be anything worth taking.

And once the seven non-productive people I support with my taxes stop getting their checks because I and others like me decide to stop working and wait for our handout . . . . how do you think that will end?

And why would progressives want that outcome? Pretty transparent when you think about it. Never waste a crisis eh Rahm?
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Sorry for the long delay. .. been busy trying to sort out some issues with my mac logic board. . . so I
 
I liked Beck until I read an article about him in Forbes. He doesn't believe anything he says on his show, and I hate that. But I do agree will a lot of what he says. I am sure there are a lot of intelligent people that write his material. But Beck is all about the $$$
 
hakr100 said:
Uh...what evidence supports your claim? Legislators handle very complicated tasks, and it typically takes two full years before a newbie lawmaker even begins to get the hang of how the House and Senate work and how laws are made.



Nope. At the moment, the highest federal tax rate is below 40%. It ought to be at 49% for the wealthiest. The rich have an obligation to pay more proportionately because without what this country gives them, they'd be a lot poorer, even without the taxes. Hey, you could always move to anothe country, eh?




Perhaps they'll stop by your house and put your head on a pike. That's what will happen if we don't reverse the current trend of "everything for the rich, crumbs for the poor."

Heads on pikes. It has a nice ring to it, and it certainly would rid our society of the greedy, at least for a while. :)
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Evidence which supports my claim is my life experience which tells me maybe the solution is to get these people out of our hair - that means simplify the job so its not so complex that it takes people years and years to "be effective" at what is essentially squandering the wealth I create.

Taxes - 40% is too much. Important point you missed - I am not talking about the Federal tax rate - I said EFFECTIVE tax rate - that includes: Federal, State, City, Gas, Sales, Crap on my phone bill, crap on my electric bill, cigar tax, liquor tax, cigarette tax, corporate formation tax and a billion other little fees - etc, etc. So at 40% federal better add another 20% for all those other taxes. Maybe more.

The obligation of the Rich - yawn. Bottom line - I work hard and you steal it from me to give to people who don't THEN I stop working so hard and spend more time with my kids - you need to recognize the fact and understand the stealing ain't gonna work. It just trashes our society and brings in some new model that will not be as good.

And feel free to move to another country yourself - there are plenty of other places who have tried this model, no need for us to repeat the failure here.

Head on a pike: good thing about having a few bucks is I have plenty of money for guns and ammo. So when they stop by with the pikes, still not going to end well because at some point I run out of bullets - but at least we'll have a party before the end right?
 
Weazol said:
You Sinner!

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Indeed. I flip channels, and Faux News is pretty close to the PBS, Discovery, et cetera, channels I do watch. So I do get the occasional glimpse at Sean the Liar, Beck the Lunatic, and so forth. Plus, Limbaugh is such a clown sometimes bits of his show are picked up by other networks gor grins.

There's no question Beck is certifiable.
 
Slug said:
National Socialism is as far to the right of the political spectrum as Communist Socialism is to the left. Their ideals and principles are so completely different as to be exact opposites. You could support the principles of one or the other, but never both.
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It's not as far to the right, it's closer, but not polar opposites and not mutually exclusive.
 
hakr100 said:
I think federal income tax rates should remain where they are for individuals earning $250,000 or less, and should work their way up quickly to 49% on that part of an individual's income over $250,000. I also think military spending should be cut in half as the economy improves and mustered out soldiers can apply for civilian jobs. Cutting the military budget would save at least $500 billion a year, and would still leave our military spending at a multiple many times that of other countries, including Communist China.
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United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Military budget of the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
:rolleyes:
 
brab said:
How can the highly volatile hate speak which Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck use further the public discourse. Is Obama a Nazi? Are we really an arms length from Communism. To listen to these two guys you would think the United States will be the next USSR.
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Do me a favor, please. Before you indite Mr. Beck and Mr. Limbaugh, please provide specific examples. What have they said that is so wrong or hateful? I like Beck but I regularly listen to Limbaugh, and trust me on this, he is virtually never wrong. The Sullivan group (?) rates his accuracy at over 98%.

It is easy to toss out a phrase like "highly volatile hate speak" but another thing entirely to prove it.

Liberals call it hate speech because they hate the truth. You might not like Limbaugh's approach, but he is accurate as hell.

Bob
 
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