IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
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At&t 4g
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Jus10
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Wrong again.
Originally it was 100mbps, not 21mbps. (Also those are theoretical speeds btw, which no networks even come close to reaching. )
Secondly, WiMax with the recent ruling HAS been declared as 4G.
Furthermore, HSPA+can't be considered 4G because it doesn't meet the standard of an all IP based network, like WiMax and LTE. So it still has some work to do.
Yes, LTE will be 4G as well as WiMax, but we know that already.
Sprint and Verizon are the only two networks that currently have 4G. Period.
So what are ATT and TMobile going to call LTE when they eventually launch it? 5G?
4G - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Guess what? HSPA+ doesn't do that. WiMax and LTE, do.
Thank you very much.
According to ITUR, if you want to get technical, WiMax and LTE ARE NOT 4G. see this link. Technically, Verizon or Sprint never even had 3G to begin with. A technology was created for them to match the HSDPA speeds comparable to AT&T and T-Mobile's 3G speeds.
A true 3G network allows voice and data to run simaliously together. The only technology capable of these features are GSM techonologies. In the US that's only AT&T and T-MO. Verizon and Sprint uses EV-DO which could be marketed "legally" as 3G because of the speeds the devices could receive.
The same thing has happened in the US. We have LTE, WiMax, and HSPA+ (which is technically only an upgraded 3G bandwith, nothing more.) 4G speeds can be reached with these technologies, but are technically not 4G according to ITUR. But they are legally marketed as 4G.
THANK YOU!!!! If I wasn't on my phone at work and had the time I would have typed all of that earlier! You the man! You there IOWA?
Jus10
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Guess my lunchbreaks aren't too eventfull if I'm in two different forums during it?
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Lol lol yea but you helped a brother out
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
Your posting outdated information, outside of the 3G thing.
Snow_Fox
Android Expert
Facts are always being outdated.
Good science does that.
Just like laws get revised and definitions redefined.
Happens quite a bit in the tech world actually.
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
Those are no longer facts. The ITU changed the definition of 4G, remember?
So that invalidates facts? Just because the itu decided that those other frequencies are allowed under that nomenclature doesn't constitute them as 4G
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
capitanbuzo
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Well, by definition these are 4G. True 4G on the other hand, no. What I would say is a pure definition of 4G would be LTE and WiMAX. HSPA+ is just 3.5G but, since we are basing this off of definition, they all are 4G.
Technically CDMA Versions are not 4G either because they don't allow simultaneously streaming voice and data
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
capitanbuzo
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True and that would be the problem with WiMAX but it is technically the forth generation of network so it is 4G and it does deliver faster 4G speeds. This is just the continuous problems with CDMA networks. Never have been a fan of them.
Exactly and there is the fault with the ruling it blurs the line between reality and marketing BS
capitanbuzo
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IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
Only if they comply with the other set standards.
No IP BASED network, No 4G. That part of it never changed. So in order for HSPA+ to be considered 4G, they need to make it IP BASED. Get it yet or no?
So exactly as I an saying just because they are allowing it to be called 4G it clearly states that these are the forerunners of the actual technology
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
HSPA+ itself is, but not T-Mobiles or ATT's Deployment of it. They need to completely switch out their entire architecture of their HSPA+ networks to include the all-IP based option they should have included in the first place.
capitanbuzo
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Only if they comply with the other set standards.
No IP BASED network, No 4G. That part of it never changed. So in order for HSPA+ to be considered 4G, they need to make it IP BASED. Get it yet or no?
Yes, yes. But, from a marketing perspective (and that is what the carriers care about), it is a 4G network even though, in reality, it is not.
And that is what I have been trying to tell him. Just because its named a sweet potato its nit a potato its a yam man lol
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
Oh brother.
Well come on man. Multiple people have told you just because they allowed the name doesn't make it technical 4G and the wimax and Verizon LTE are never gonna be technical 4G because they don't allow voice and data simultaneously. You though continue to stick by a name
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
Yes they do.