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battery lives to get better

There's a story every three months about how battery lives are going to improve dramatically.

I've stopped paying attention to them :/

And . . . because we demand more portability and more battery operated devices, it is not lost on the battery makers that a long life battery will sell and sell by the millions.

I am sure there is extraordinary amounts of research being poured into the industry.

Bob
 
since rediscovering this, I looked it up and yes, scientists have made rechargeable lithium air batteries. The problem is that they're managing to only get under 100 charges out of them as opposed to the thousands they can get from lithium-ion batteries
 
since rediscovering this, I looked it up and yes, scientists have made rechargeable lithium air batteries. The problem is that they're managing to only get under 100 charges out of them as opposed to the thousands they can get from lithium-ion batteries

Well if it lasts a week, then 100 charges would give you almost 2 years. I could live with that.
 
hm, if it's about 100 charges but 10 times more capacity, then that would still be like a regular battery.. you'd just have to charge the battery less often.
 
they should just make them now and continue their research at the same time

If I were a betting man, I would say they are making and selling the best batteries they can and the research is ongoing. Another issue is charging the battery. I think most people would be happy with a rapid charge battery. One hour to full would certainly help.

We will see these amazing batteries when Fred, the local Best Buy stocker puts them on the shelf.

Bob
 
not Best Buy for about 40 miles for me... I'll just wait until phone companies give them as standard :)
 
they should just make them now and continue their research at the same time

they don't know enough about the tecnhnology.. it could turn into a legal disaster. say the batteries lead to fried phones and or start fires.. a massive recall would be likely, with plenty of civil lawsuits.
 
they don't know enough about the tecnhnology.. it could turn into a legal disaster. say the batteries lead to fried phones and or start fires.. a massive recall would be likely, with plenty of civil lawsuits.

good point.
I don't get US culture of 'this slightly inconvenienced me, let's sue '
 
It's all about this sense of entitlement there is in this country. People are raised here to believe they are special.. there's nothing wrong with that per se, but the legal system has taken that and run with it. Convincing people that if someone does you wrong in ANY way, you should take them to court and take what's coming to you!

Now I'm not saying there is never a time or a place for this. But it has truly reached epic proportions here in the US. And I can't stand frivolous lawsuits.
 
good point.
I don't get US culture of 'this slightly inconvenienced me, let's sue '

in this case, if it did start fires.. then a civil lawsuit doesn't have anything to do with a sense of entitlement though. it's to protect the consumer. it sets precedent, so the companies don't get too careless with their products and neglect the safety of the people who are using their products.
 
in this case, if it did start fires.. then a civil lawsuit doesn't have anything to do with a sense of entitlement though. it's to protect the consumer. it sets precedent, so the companies don't get too careless with their products and neglect the safety of the people who are using their products.

Oh no no, I agree with you. I was commenting on the sue-happy culture we seem to have created in this country.

But certainly, if I left my phone charging in my car, only to return and find my car a pile of ash..... I'd be borrowing someone's phone and calling a lawyer, but quick!



Lol
 
Oh no no, I agree with you. I was commenting on the sue-happy culture we seem to have created in this country.

But certainly, if I left my phone charging in my car, only to return and find my car a pile of ash..... I'd be borrowing someone's phone and calling a lawyer, but quick!



Lol

why would you do that?? just claim your insurance and maybe some compensation for your no claims, but why do you have to sue them?
 
Why? Like I said there is a time and place. If a battery company released a product they hadn't tested it thoroughly and they caught fire like that, then I feel that's a reasonable time. Because reporting it on my insurance does nothing to ensure it won't happen to someone else.

What if the next person leaves their phone charging in the car while they go grocery shopping and leave their dog in the car? What if it's plugged in overnight and it starts a fire in a house of 7 people and the fire kills the whole family? What if it starts a fire in a nursery? Those are the people you have to look out for. Unfortunately there are a lot of companies who would do nothing if it weren't for fear of being sued. Which is a shame indeed.

Do you know why they raised personal injury &/or wrongful death lawsuits to such astronomical levels? It was discovered that back in the 80's before those kinds of lawsuits dealt with large settlements that when certain auto manufacturers discovered a problem with, oh let's say the braking system in one of their lines of cars, they wouldn't automatically do a recall. They would have a specialist conduct a research to figure out if the predicted amount of accidents and casualties that would occur due to the problem would cost the company as much money as recalling the vehicles to fix the problem. If it would cost them more to fix the problem, they wouldn't.

Hard to believe? It sure is. But that's the sad truth. And that's where, unfortunately, the courts come into play to protect the population from unsavory business practices such as those. They had to raise the amounts of the settlements to ensure it would be more cost effective to fix life threatening problems such as that.




I dunno, may I've lived here for so long the ideology has sunk into my brain?
 
I'd claim insurance and tell them not try to sue their arse off after they've spent time and energy making it, they'd just give me another one.
I'm sad to say the UK's being Americanised with companies having adverts like 'your loan contract may have slight legal floors, contact us so you never have to pay it back' it's ridiculous.
 
... If you look at motorcycle racing in the 80's and early 90's there was a huge divide between horsepower technology and tire grip. Tire manufacturers weren't moving along at the same pace as the Japanese motorcycle OEM's were bringing up the horsepower of the bikes. So the bikes were over powering the tires with ease
...

Imagine if the bike manufacturers told tire companies back in the 80's "oh don't worry about developing tires any further, the racers should just watch what they're doing out there on them". Racing would have hit a brick wall long ago. ...

If battery technology never moves forward, then smartphones will hit a brick wall as well. ...

Good analogy, but I see it reversed from how you do. You're comparing phone technology to motorcycle technology, and the batteries to the tires. I see it as phone = tires and battery = motorcycle. For years and years batteries were improving while the phones themselves were relatively stagnant ability-wise.

In the early days the original brick cell phones had roughly 8 hours of standby, 30 minutes of talk time, and it would take 10 hours to fully recharge the battery. In the 90s the Motorola Startac improved performance to up to 90 minutes of talk time in a much smaller package. By the time we got to the Razr V3 in the 2000's, we're looking at even smaller batteries that give you about 11 days of standby time, up to 7 hours of talk time, and the one I have for my work will fully recharge in less than an hour. Those are pretty impressive advances.

Suddenly, cell phones that for almost 20 years only changed in size but didn't add any new features started getting new abilities. It's only really been over the last 5 years or so that phone technology has exploded from "telephone with a few little features" into "full-blown miniaturized computers that can make calls". The technology and associated power demands, of phones has only recently accelerated at an absurd rate to overtake the steady improvement of batteries.

If we complained about the range of cars the same way that we do about battery life it would sound pretty silly. In the 80's we had the equivalent of a Ford Crown Victoria with a 20 gallon gas tank that would take us 100 miles. By the 2000's we had a Toyota Corolla with a 10 gallon gas tank that could take us 400 miles. Now we're all going full-speed in a Bugatti Veyron with a 5 gallon gas tank and we're complaining that we can only make it 100 miles.

The bottom line is that energy density in batteries has been improving at a pretty impressive rate, but as long as we keep increasing power demands at an even faster rate we can't exactly blame the batteries for not lasting as long.
 
well whatever analogy used, we all would like more powerful, better phones which means we need better batteries unless lower power processors are developed like how Apple had the A5 which was more powerful than the A4, but used the same amount of power
 
The bottom line is that energy density in batteries has been improving at a pretty impressive rate, but as long as we keep increasing power demands at an even faster rate we can't exactly blame the batteries for not lasting as long.

I can understand your point of view.

I'm not crying about battery technology btw. I mean I see your point of slowing down how much stuff we're cramming into these devices until battery technology picks back up. Technology has REALLY ramped up over the past 5 years, it's staggering really. So sure, we have no right to picket outside of battery manufacturers facilities demanding that they get off their duffs. If that was your point, then I guess I missed it.

Without pushing battery technology along with a whip, all I was saying was that if they find a battery that lasts 10 times longer, I'm not going to belly ache about that either. If it takes them a while to figure it out, then it takes them a while. But you have to realize that all those companies who do produce batteries, and are involved in the R&D research part of the process, they all know if THEY are the one's to invent the mega-efficient cell that carries us into the next generation of smartphones, they will be rewarded even more handsomely than Han Solo did when he saved the Princess!
 
My off the cuff reply is this: if you use your phone as a phone, the battery life is fine. The problem is, manufacturers (of phones) keep adding things that drain the battery and this happens faster than the battery makers can deal with.

So people want better battery life and they want Youtube, endless text messages, they want to edit documents, play games and the like.

Batteries have greatly improved and they will continue to do so. along with devices that drain them fast
 
Re the original post about Lithium/Air batteries: in the story I read* a professor listed a bunch of issues that need to be addressed before the technology would be viable and then gave an estimate of around 15 years before they would reach production. Looking at the list, that didn't seem too unrealistic.

Which is a total bummer because 10x better batteries would be great ..



* can't recall where I found it and can't be bothered to look
 
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