[Battery] Statistics and Reports

[Lars]

I think I bought a Seidio battery for the Ozone in our office. I'll have to see if it's the same battery. The Ozone got significantly better life with it over the Chinese battery that HTC supplies.

Ah, BTW those of you with the HTC TP2 and Seidio batteries please read to us all where each of the cells is manufactured. This is in small letters on the back. :\ I still scratch my head how Sears was able to sell me a car battery that only lasted 6 months and then I bought my Optima Battery is going strong 8 years years later and they are the same size!

 

[alanchu]

Hi again zemerick and arich57 I have begun a new battery test that should give pretty accurate results. With both the Seidio 1750mah and the OEM Inc battery. I've taken out several variables and will be able to duplicate usage almost spot on between the 2 batteries as my usage varies little + I'm off tomorrow . Batteries are charged over night with phone OFF and booting up in the morn.

This post is for the OEM 1300mah Inc battery.

These settings will be the same tomorrow on the Seidio 1750mah battery:

- GPS OFF
- Bluetooth OFF
- 3G ON entire time (3G only NO WIFI)
- Enable always on data ON entire time
- Background data is ON entire time
- Auto-sync is ON entire time - gmail, weather, and Youmail (syncs every 2hrs and after each missed phone call)
- Auto-brightness OFF and brightness set to 40%

- 5-7 emails
- 40 SMS msgs
- 59 minutes 6 sec of RoboDefense
- 29 minutes 46 sec of phone calls
- 15 min web browsing and 15 min youtube videos

Uptime - 10h 50m
Awake - 2h 30m
(EDIT): Battery drained down to 14% warning

Cell standby: 25% - (10h 49m 43s)
Android sys: 23% - (9m 52s total cpu)
Phone idle: 22% - (8h 52m 29s)
Voice calls: 13% - (29m 46s)
Display: 8% - (1h 57m 23s)
RoboDefense: 5% - (59m 6s total cpu)
Dialer: 4% - (58s total cpu)


I did it this way because it would take the least amount of time....and it did! I don't normally have all this stuff on syncing all the time. I sync when I want, I'm not in a "corporate environment." When I want email I go get it. When I want weather I load the app. etc... I typically have been getting about 20'ish hours from the OEM battery. Will be interesting to see what the Seidio does tomorrow. Hope this helps!

wow... your awake time almost perfectly matches your logging of your activity... it would seem from your data that during the times you were not actively using your phone, your phone didn't stay awake for long at all... as part of my data from last night, during my 7hr 21min of sleep my phone logged 1hr 47m 55s of awake time... about 25%...

 

[CheezWiz]

There is a good 2 hours difference between your unplug and uptime. Did you have it on a charger for awhile before unplugging it?

Correct, I was using while plugged in. But if I read all this correctly, the battery use stats do not start until it is unplugged? So up-time is irrelevant, right? That is just the time since last reboot?

I have started today off with a reboot and then off the charger if you want to hold out for those results..

 

[jbdan]

wow... your awake time almost perfectly matches your logging of your activity... it would seem from your data that during the times you were not actively using your phone, your phone didn't stay awake for long at all... as part of my data from last night, during my 7hr 21min of sleep my phone logged 1hr 47m 55s of awake time... about 25%...

In layman's terms what does that mean good? bad? Arich has not replied yet to my info so patiently waiting

Testing the Seidio today with same settings!

 

[arich57]

Correct, I was using while plugged in. But if I read all this correctly, the battery use stats do not start until it is unplugged? So up-time is irrelevant, right? That is just the time since last reboot?

I have started today off with a reboot and then off the charger if you want to hold out for those results..

Correct that the uptime is the time since a reboot. The problem is the awake time goes up while the phone is plugged in- it's doesn't "sleep". Therefore I can't get a good utilization percentage (awake/uptime).

If you can post the new date that would be great. Thanks.

 

[arich57]

In layman's terms what does that mean good? bad? Arich has not replied yet to my info so patiently waiting

Testing the Seidio today with same settings!

I'm hoping to catch up tonight. I'm getting slammed with real work stuff.

 

[jbdan]

I'm hoping to catch up tonight. I'm getting slammed with real work stuff.

No worries real work matters.

 

[CheezWiz]

Correct that the uptime is the time since a reboot. The problem is the awake time goes up while the phone is plugged in- it's doesn't "sleep". Therefore I can't get a good utilization percentage (awake/uptime).

If you can post the new date that would be great. Thanks.

Will do!

 

[alanchu]

In layman's terms what does that mean good? bad? Arich has not replied yet to my info so patiently waiting

Testing the Seidio today with same settings!

jbdan: well, i'm not sure it's a layman thing as much as it is a relative thing (great answer, right =) ). to me, there's at least two parts to the equation... the first is whether or the phone is being active when the phone isn't even in use... the second is whether or not excessive power is being drawn when it is awake...

for the first, you're obviously coming through with flying colors (read: good). you barely have any awake time when you're not using the phone... on the other hand, i'm averaging about 25% of the time where the phone is awake when i'm not even using it, causing some drain to the battery.

for the second, i'm not sure how to judge this yet... some activities will obviously drain more power than others... playing a streaming video will drain more than just sending a few texts. someone else will need to answer how much power each activity should drain. i will say this, when i'm browsing websites such as androidforums (read: no heavy animations or pictures), my battery drains at about 1-1.5% per minute. i dont know if this is good or bad, but my preception is that it should do better than that. half the time, i'm not even pulling new data as i'm scrolling through the posts and just reading it.

in any case, the one area where i should be able to improve my battery life is to track down where the power is going when i'm not using my phone... for example, i lost about 12% of the power when i slept for 7.5 hours... during the day, i lose about 1% an hour between uses.

i am curious though, do you use appbrain and are you willing to share your list of apps that you've installed? or at least a list of apps you know might be running constantly? you mentioned your mail programs, but what about instant messaging? or task reminders? sports updates? rss reader?

 

[htc-thc]

just a quick comment; on day 5, after about 10 charges/recharges, I have definately noticed an improvement in battery life; phone has been on for 10 hours, moderately phone, email, music and texting, and still have 35% left..by now, in the last 4 days, I would have been on the charger, so, it may just need several cycles to stabilize the life of the battery..I ordered a Seido Sunday anyways, just to always have a spare battery around..

I'll try to post my numbers 'officially', but just want to confirm my real world experience.... I posted a comment after 2 full days of use and 3 charge cycles saying that I was really concerned because I was having to recharge at 4pm after only moderate use each day.

I got the phone a couple days early on Tuesday, so now its been about 10 days and the battery life has improved noticeably. I'm comfortably getting a day and a half with normal/moderate use. At the end of a full day before bed I generally have 50% left... Very happy now and probably won't need the extended battery. The battery life is at least on par with my old Blackberry 8830 (world edition) that I am soooo happy I finally got rid of.

I don't do anything special to try to extend battery life, but I turn mobile off when I'm at home (and I work from home) and use wifi.

 

[arich57]

Will do!

Thanks. I'm not going to include your previous data.

 

[arich57]

UpTime: 05:01:00
AwakeTime: 04:07:00
UnPlugged time: 05:01:00
Battery %: 19%
Wifi: Off
GPS: Off
Bluetooth: Off
Always on Mobile data: On
Sync: 2 accounts auto-syncing.



Unplugged time:
Android System: 40%
Cell Standby: 25%
Display: 17%
Phone Idle: 14%
Mediaserver: 2%
Voicecalls: 2%


Please help.

Added your data in.

You look to be running awake 82% of the time your on battery. With Android System taking 40% of that 82%, you might want to see if there is an app you added that is always working and not letting your phone truely sleep.

 

[arich57]

Today was the longest charge I have had since I got the phone the 29th, hopefully this means the battery is getting better.

UpTime: 18:19.43
AwakeTime: 5:30
UnPlugged time: 18:19:43
Battery8%
Wifi: On
GPS: On for 5 min
Bluetooth: Off
Always on Mobile data: off -
Sync: 1 Exchange Account

Application 1: Android System 27%
Application 2: Cell Standby 25% time without signal 3%
Application 3: Phone Idle 19%
Application 4: Wifi 9 % - 7h 47m 13s
Application 5: Display 9%
Application 6: Maps 6%
Application 7: Voice Calls 5%

I have a wireless campus so I didn't use 3g hardly at all.
I have been recording my battery usage with battery graph since Sunday. I'll export the data in a few days

Thanks for data

Your looking to be about on par with others- 30% utilization with a battery life around 20h.

 

[htc-thc]

This post is for the OEM 1300mah Inc battery.

- GPS OFF
- Bluetooth OFF
- 3G OFF (WIFI on all the time)
- all defaults on
- Auto-sync is ON entire time - gmail, weather,
- Auto-brightness OFF and brightness set to 40%

- 10-12 emails
- 10 SMS msgs

Uptime - 27h 05m
Awake - 2h 14m
Battery drained down to 50%

Cell standby: 37% - (1d 3rs 0m 3s)
Android sys: 11% - (6m 26s total cpu)
Phone idle: 37% - (1d 1h 28m 57s)
Display: 4% - (1h 31m 18s)
Camera: 3% - (18s)
Wi-Fi: 8% - (5 hr 30m 22s)


This is very light usage for me... but thought maybe it would help. Am I missing important info?

 

[arich57]

Hi Everyone, got some more stats from my tests with the stock battery (1300mAh) this time. It was my first full day with the stock battery so it may need some time to get better at holding a charge.

UpTime: 10:29:37
AwakeTime: 6:57:01
Battery %: 4%
Wifi: Off
GPS: On (used for about 10 minutes)
Bluetooth: Off
Always on Mobile data: On
Sync: On

UnPlugged time: 10:29:37 This is consistent with other figures I've seen.

Yesterday I gave it a 6 hour charging before pulling it off the charger at 12:15pm. I used it sparingly throughout the work day and it was down to 85% by the time I left work @ 4:30pm.

Typical usage from 12:15pm - 10:45pm: Emails (15), Texts (10), Phone calls (1 hour), Youtube (30mins), Video (30Mins), Newsrob, Touiteur, Engadget, NPR News browsing, A little bit of maps, played some Jewels, composed an email or two, and it died while talking to my fianc

 

[arich57]

Hi again zemerick and arich57 I have begun a new battery test that should give pretty accurate results. With both the Seidio 1750mah and the OEM Inc battery. I've taken out several variables and will be able to duplicate usage almost spot on between the 2 batteries as my usage varies little + I'm off tomorrow . Batteries are charged over night with phone OFF and booting up in the morn.

This post is for the OEM 1300mah Inc battery.

These settings will be the same tomorrow on the Seidio 1750mah battery:

- GPS OFF
- Bluetooth OFF
- 3G ON entire time (3G only NO WIFI)
- Enable always on data ON entire time
- Background data is ON entire time
- Auto-sync is ON entire time - gmail, weather, and Youmail (syncs every 2hrs and after each missed phone call)
- Auto-brightness OFF and brightness set to 40%

- 5-7 emails
- 40 SMS msgs
- 59 minutes 6 sec of RoboDefense
- 29 minutes 46 sec of phone calls
- 15 min web browsing and 15 min youtube videos

Uptime - 10h 50m
Awake - 2h 30m
(EDIT): Battery drained down to 14% warning

Cell standby: 25% - (10h 49m 43s)
Android sys: 23% - (9m 52s total cpu)
Phone idle: 22% - (8h 52m 29s)
Voice calls: 13% - (29m 46s)
Display: 8% - (1h 57m 23s)
RoboDefense: 5% - (59m 6s total cpu)
Dialer: 4% - (58s total cpu)


I did it this way because it would take the least amount of time....and it did! I don't normally have all this stuff on syncing all the time. I sync when I want, I'm not in a "corporate environment." When I want email I go get it. When I want weather I load the app. etc... I typically have been getting about 20'ish hours from the OEM battery. Will be interesting to see what the Seidio does tomorrow. Hope this helps!

Got your data enter.

23% utilization with only 12.5hrs battery life. That seems low for the battery life. I'm sure why though at a quick look.

 

[zemerick]

Added your data in.

You look to be running awake 82% of the time your on battery. With Android System taking 40% of that 82%, you might want to see if there is an app you added that is always working and not letting your phone truely sleep.

I don't know that he should be that high...but it should definitely be higher than normal. Notice that Android is a fair bit higher than anything else, and the cell standby is decently higher than phone idle. Either his phone has a sleep problem, or he uses it a lot.

Alanchu: For the 25% awake: Yea, that seems a little off. Atleast when you press the power button, it will sleep within a second or 2 of pressing it. Not sure about letting the screen go blank and sleep itself, but I don't see why not. Perhaps you have something that hangs each time, and Android waits a bit before killing it?

Finally: I've finished 2 very different cycles. Gotta go through and reorganize the data, then I'll be posting it sometime. Going to try a long run this next cycle, then the one after that I'll be trying to burn it.

Oh: Important note:

If you want to get that last 8 percent of charge ( 92-100 ) you need to charge the phone with the phone OFF. It is not really charging it to 100 percent due to the phones usage. ( Similar to the charging on USB problem. )
I tested this a little this morning. Charged the phone while it was on, light went green and it reported 100 percent charge...as soon as I unplugged BLAM: 99 percent and falling. Checked the voltage: Sure enough, it started at 4.078v instead of the 4.12+ it shoulda been. Put the phone back on the charger, quickly green again..nothing changed. Turned phone off while it was still plugged in, and it immediately switched back to amber and charging for awhile. Now the phone is holding a bit higher charge. ( About 6 text and 2 email over 30+mins and I'm still 97 percent 4.11v )

It's not a bit deal being only a few percent, but it's nice to have it sometimes

 

[alanchu]

so below is my data coping jbdan's format... the battery life was much better for this data set, but it is skewed a bit because it includes me sleeping for 7.5 hrs. i did a log of every time i turned on my phone and put it in standby which came out to be about 3h 12m of actual hands-on time, but most of that time was spent checking and logging the battery data rather than actual usage...

- GPS OFF
- Bluetooth OFF
- 3G ON entire time (3G only NO WIFI)
- Enable always on data ON entire time
- Background data is ON entire time
- Auto-sync is ON entire time - two gmail accounts and weather
- Auto-brightness ON

- made a 2 min phone call
- received about 8 emails
- 3 SMS
- 30 instant messages via ebuddy
- no internet browsing
- appbrain sync once with 3 app updates

Uptime - 19:35:53
Awake - 7:22:16
battery at 13% when i first started noting information, now down to 8%

Cell standby: 34%
Phone idle: 29%
Android sys: 27%
Display: 8%
Voice calls: 2%

i forgot to grab the time since unplugged right away, but i powered the phone on immediately after unplugging it so it should be very similar to the uptime... now it says 19:47:15

 

[Doc_Stew]

I got this battery for $16.99+Free Shipping and it is great!!!
Verizon HTC Touch Pro 2 Pro2 Genuine OEM Lithium Ion Standard Battery

Huge difference today. I mean huge!! I think the red battery is defective or something..
I will do some benchmarking soon as I get a seidio battery tomorrow.

And how well does it fit? I'm a little concerned about jamming a battery not made for this phone into the back to get it to fit, then jamming the back cover on, and hoping everything works out OK...

 

[mojojojoe]

While I am not a cell phone battery expert... I do enjoy electric RC cars and think there is some misunderstanding in this thread about size to milli amp hour relationship. Batteries can be the same physical size and have vastly different mah ratings. For example below are the links to two different LiPo batteries for electric cars, they have identical physical dimensions
Length: 5.4" (138mm)
Width: 1.8" (46mm)
Height: 1.0" (25.4mm)
Weight: 9.4oz (265g)

However one is a 3200 mAH battery and one is a 5000 mAH
TowerHobbies.com | Associated Reedy LiPo 7.4V 5000mAh 20C
TowerHobbies.com | Associated Reedy LiPo 7.4V 3200mAh 20C

Size doesn't always matter

 

[novenom]

I cant speak for the seidio battery but i just put the touch pro 2 battery in last night i turned the phone off and charged it overnite.At 6am this morning i turned the phone back on and i did not get that really fast dump from 100% to 93% like i was getting. I also set brightness to automatic and had mobile network turned on after moderate use today i am still at 71%. I think this battery will do just fine. That being said the stock battery had greatly improved from day one but i never did turn off the phone to charge it with the stocker to see if it solved the dumping problem. Overall i am completely happy with the results.

 

[Germwise]

my position is if seido really thinks its batteries produce the energy they say they do. They should prove it.

I mean come on, in this internet age it would be so easy for them to conduct a few tests on cameras and put these fears to rest.

Either seido has completely missed the guerilla marketing techniques of the internet age or their batteries simply don't produce the mah they claim.

We have one test against them, albeit non-scientific. ANY other company would contact the person conducting the test and send them a few batteries to test.

This he said, she said is no good. I'm sorry, anecdotal evidence is worth zero. We have people claiming over 36 hours on the 1300 mah hour batteries compared to 6-8 most people are getting.

Lets not fight, but simply put Seido, either clear your name by putting out tests on youtube or sending your batteries to an independent tester or frankly, you will lose a lot of business.

Also I should mention that people buying batteries and memory chips on ebay should be prepared for bad quality. It is not uncommon for employees in china/japan, to come in during the night to the factory and do some extra runs to sell merchandise for themselves. Employees also get a hold of defective units that didn't make it through quality control and sell it on ebay.

You get what you pay for.

 

[jbdan]

jbdan: well, i'm not sure it's a layman thing as much as it is a relative thing (great answer, right =) ). to me, there's at least two parts to the equation... the first is whether or the phone is being active when the phone isn't even in use... the second is whether or not excessive power is being drawn when it is awake...

for the first, you're obviously coming through with flying colors (read: good). you barely have any awake time when you're not using the phone... on the other hand, i'm averaging about 25% of the time where the phone is awake when i'm not even using it, causing some drain to the battery.

for the second, i'm not sure how to judge this yet... some activities will obviously drain more power than others... playing a streaming video will drain more than just sending a few texts. someone else will need to answer how much power each activity should drain. i will say this, when i'm browsing websites such as androidforums (read: no heavy animations or pictures), my battery drains at about 1-1.5% per minute. i dont know if this is good or bad, but my preception is that it should do better than that. half the time, i'm not even pulling new data as i'm scrolling through the posts and just reading it.

in any case, the one area where i should be able to improve my battery life is to track down where the power is going when i'm not using my phone... for example, i lost about 12% of the power when i slept for 7.5 hours... during the day, i lose about 1% an hour between uses.

i am curious though, do you use appbrain and are you willing to share your list of apps that you've installed? or at least a list of apps you know might be running constantly? you mentioned your mail programs, but what about instant messaging? or task reminders? sports updates? rss reader?

Thanks for your explanation

I don't have appbrain. Here is my app list: Youmail, RoboDefense, PaperToss, Weather channel, Handcent, Astro, Movies, Backgrounds, Pandora, Google maps, Zedge ringtones wallpapers. I do have the stock calender widget for agenda reminders and my alarm is also set to wake me each morning. Don't know if these qualify as task reminders though. No sports updates or rss readers.

Will post Seidio 1750 results tonight....so far it is far beyond the OEM battery results....we'll see tonight

 

[x0x]

Please stop all the arguing. The proof is in the pudding. Several people in this thread have ordered both and have offered to give comparisions. So let's let the numbers speak for themselves.

 

[jbdan]

Got your data enter.

23% utilization with only 12.5hrs battery life. That seems low for the battery life. I'm sure why though at a quick look.

Thanks so much! I think it is because of RoboDefense. I played it one hour straight screen on entire time 100% cpu utilization....could that be the culprit? Display for 2 hours? If so I think 12.5 hrs is pretty darn good for the OEM battery....maybe not compared to others though idk.

Will post Seidio results tonight it's looking real good for the 1750 expectantly so. Thanks arich!