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Help being nagged to update S4 to Kitkat

You cannot replace them with original Samsung versions ChanChan. How would one get the old Samsung gallery, phone dialer, messaging and so on back? Another launcher won't cut it either, Touchwiz was beautiful. It has support for folders in the app drawer. It offers additional features i use. Another launcher like Nova doesnt support multi window. How would i have gotten the older Samsung camera onto the S5?

Alternatives exist, but are not the originals i use every day and prefer. Most tied to the framework and cannot be sideloaded.

And for whomever repeats the 'should have upgraded and saved all that trouble' doesnt realize updates often slow a device down, change things, and introduce bugs like bad radio firmware and such. My S3 lagged horribly with the 4.3 update, and the ML1 radio firmware caused lost 4G at home forcing me to use the slower 3G.

When my device works fine, and is set up exactly how i like it, and i mean it when i say i do not want it to change as i dont take kindly to change when i finally get used to the UI, gestures, shortcuts, and so on, i also dont like being nagged to death about updates that i deem unnnecessary. If you dont give me the choice, then i will spend hours to get that choice. If you want to upgrade, fine. But nagging the user to do so until he is infuriated and gives in implies that all upgrades are good, and that all humans think alike. That is simply not true. Some humans dont want to upgrade at all. Some might buy a new phone every two years too, but that doesnt mean every person should be forced to buy a new phone every two years by sealing the battery either.
 
I don't see why anyone is giving Nick grief over this. I like to rib the guy for some of his quirky views as much as the next guy. However, sometimes we buy a product for the things that it does now, and not for what it might do in the future. It sounds like Nick found the ideal phone for his needs, and software updates would change that in a way unfavorable to him.

Let it go, guys. Inevitably, when something changes (like a software update), there will be those who like it and those who don't. You can't please everyone.
 
You cannot replace them with original Samsung versions ChanChan. How would one get the old Samsung gallery, phone dialer, messaging and so on back? Another launcher won't cut it either, Touchwiz was beautiful. It has support for folders in the app drawer. It offers additional features i use. Another launcher like Nova doesnt support multi window. How would i have gotten the older Samsung camera onto the S5?

Alternatives exist, but are not the originals i use every day and prefer. Most tied to the framework and cannot be sideloaded.

And for whomever repeats the 'should have upgraded and saved all that trouble' doesnt realize updates often slow a device down, change things, and introduce bugs like bad radio firmware and such. My S3 lagged horribly with the 4.3 update, and the ML1 radio firmware caused lost 4G at home forcing me to use the slower 3G.

When my device works fine, and is set up exactly how i like it, and i mean it when i say i do not want it to change as i dont take kindly to change when i finally get used to the UI, gestures, shortcuts, and so on, i also dont like being nagged to death about updates that i deem unnnecessary. If you dont give me the choice, then i will spend hours to get that choice. If you want to upgrade, fine. But nagging the user to do so until he is infuriated and gives in implies that all upgrades are good, and that all humans think alike. That is simply not true. Some humans dont want to upgrade at all. Some might buy a new phone every two years too, but that doesnt mean every person should be forced to buy a new phone every two years by sealing the battery either.

Every single complaint you have is groundless and misinformed. I am using Nova Launcher, can use multiwindow and is using the Samsung icons with the original Samsung apps. I can have folders in the app drawer too.


Edit: OH! You mean the TouchWiz 4 apps! Sorry. Lol. I thought you mean using the default apps with Nova launcher. But Nova does allow use of multiwindow.

Edit 2: I just had a go with an S5 in a store and they didn't change the UI dramatically from previous versions of TouchWiz. Colors are the same, design is the same. I am not sure what huge changes you were talking about.
 
The Galaxy S5 has a Google-inspired Nexus-like Flat UI. trust me, it is very different from the one used in the S4. the S5's icons are completely flat, and most of the Samsung apps (messaging, gallery, etc) have been replaced with Google's versions (Play Music, Photos, Hangouts) completely. the wallpapers are no longer Nature UX. the notification pulldown power control is iOS7 inspired. almost a direct rip-off if it weren't for the lack of frosted glass transparency. every icon in the notification tray is white, no color at all. the lock screen is Google-like. only S-Voice (although a very iOS 7 inspired version) remains along with a limited version of Samsung Hub.

http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-s5-software-ui-hands-on-get-flat-28319008/

If you need me to get pictures next time i am in-store i will. perhaps some S5's came shipped with Jelly Bean?

I am unsure what the Galaxy S5 shipped with myself, but all the displays here run KitKat.

So many Android lovers are indeed addicted to updates, almost enough to complain if their favorite app hasn't had one in a long time (despite there being nothing wrong with it, and it does exactly what it should, so an update would not be necessary) and are all fanatical about Android being on the latest version.

I however am pretty set in my ways, in the beginning, Android had issues. i used very cheap phones and tried to do the impossible--load them up with heavy apps and games like my iPhone expecting similar performance. i failed. in the end i had to only install what was necessary. but i had the 'update bug' then. had to update. every. single. one. fail again. Android often crashed, lagged, or rebooted in my pocket when i was in the middle of listenin to music. given my error-free use of my old iPhone, i did complain and badmouth Android often as they felt inferior.

I temporarily went back to the familiar iPhone and bought myself an iPad 3. worked perfectly fine, and then kinda experimented with Android on cheap tablets and some cheap smartphones with disposable numbers. my job destroys phones (get dropped, dirty, smushed, wet, exposed to sweat in summer, etc) and one is lucky to live 5 or 6 months. if they out live that, they are often very banged up. the only phone i had that could live a decade or so was my Nokia from 2009 (last i used it, it came out in 1996). so i was not about to chance a expensive unsubsidized iPhone 4 to the harsh environment of work. so i used a cheap $50 Android phone and rooted it to make it perform better.

Today, however, i am using Android 4.3 at the newest, and 4.1.2 at the oldest. there is a vast improvement from Gingerbread to Jelly Bean. Android 4.3 is probably the best one i have used (i ran KitKat through custom ROMs but was not really that satisfied and didn't like how much was removed from the Nexus 10 and 7 versions either) and the Galaxy S4, despite looking exactly like the Galaxy S3 (to me) outperforms every inch of that phone. it works well, never lags, never reboots itself, and has excellent battery life and signal strength. the UI is a halfway point between flat as well as skeuomorphic design, with never too much of either one. i really do adore the Nature UX part of it. the sounds, the feel. it's organic. the green icons up top are easier on my eyes than electric Holo Blue. buttons still look like buttons. the new weather widget might lack the nature scene (the Galaxy S5's version has the scene back though) but it does have depth and looks wonderful with a certain wallpaper included on the device. i use mainly stock widgets and enough are included that work wonderfuly for me.

Basically i'm set in my ways. when i finally get a device, be it phone, car, truck, RV, tablet, laptop, operating system that works well, i of course continue to use it. and eventually the UI and every shortcut, gesture, button, etc become second nature and familiar to me. to have it suddenly change, like the change between iOS 6 to iOS 7 that killed Apple to me, or the more subtle but noticeable changes to Android 4.4 on the Galaxy S5, or going from a perfectly functioning device to one that is now laggy, crash happy, or generally unstable with no recourse (iirc, the KitKat upgrade is one-way, can't go back to Jelly Bean if it has issues) is just not an option. i'm not addicted to upgrading anymore. a lot of my problems were a mix between bad Google Apps and bad updates due to a previous addiction to that. from now on, i only update if i desire a feature that only comes with an update, or if it fixes things that actually are broken. if the phone, its preloaded apps, and so on work perfectly fine, i don't see the need. i certainly wouldn't like someone over at Google, Verizon or Samsung telling me that i need the update when i disagree. let the user update at his/her own recognizance. not on the terms of a company.

People really don't like being forced. imagine, if you had a car you liked, that was reliable, easy to work on, cheap insurance, etc, and suddenly a warning comes up on your odometer display saying 'hey! a new Mercedes has come out! would you like to update? it has improvements to speed, performance and stability [install now] [install later]. of course, you might hit 'later' but you'd get pestered just because some car company thought their brand new flagship was better than your old reliable car. i doubt highly you'd be so quick to update because some company says so. and you would likely not be happy to be continually pestered until you do. and opening the hood and pulling the fuse that powers that display module (rooting) might cause other issues. that's how it was to me. but i managed to fix all that, disabled the update tool, despite needing to root to do so, and removed the app stores (i don't use Google Play, but i do use Amazon and Samsung apps) ability to update or notify me about it. so my problem has been resolved, and i'm happy again. just want to let it out for those who think upgrading is the best thing since sliced bread. or approve of the new policy of forced upgrades or continual nags until two weeks later when the upgrade would be installed either way and needing to root to disable that. to me that's a policy that killed Apple for me. i'm just lucky i caught it on my Galaxy S4 before it turned into an S5; albeit a laggy, half-usable S5 with some features removed.

My S4 is the USA version, so it has the quad-core Snapdragon. i never get lag. but then i never use Google Play or its associated apps (which do cause stutter and lag as they are always running and syncing, heck, Google Play Music just being installed and tied to my Google Sync decided it would eat my entire data plan one time pre-caching all the songs in my library for 'faster access') i mostly use what came on my phone, with very little installed apps. i think i might have installed Facebook, and of course SuperSU came with rooting, and i have a weather app with no permissions installed from Samsung Apps, and downloaded music from Amazon MP3. that's it. everything else was included. my Galaxy Note 10.1 is my gaming device on the go, so all my hundred or so games went on it. so perhaps you're doing stuff with your S4 that caused lag?
 
The latest TW roms for the Galaxy S4 are nothing like the Galaxy S5, it just looks the same as previous TW roms to me but with no lag. :D

Have you actually tried the TW roms running 4.4.2 on a Galaxy S4?

 
i admit i have not. but my boss and his wife at work have AT&T S4's that got the upgrade. i'm not a fan of the all-white icons up top, and other changes that you notice in certain menus. their phones also are a bit more laggy than mine, then there are the threads here with people having issues i would choose to not have, and my boss has his phone reboot itself or freeze at times, which mine has never done before (i only rebooted it twice since i bought it, and only because it refused to connect to data). their AccuWeather widgets refuse to update too.

Since it's a one-way upgrade, i'm screwed if it messes things up. not a fan of a one-way upgrade that might introduce bugs i have not experienced. change for the sake of change is wrong. it's wrong to force it, and wrong to offer no downgrade option--that's why iOS 7 was the end of Apple for me. i used to be able to downgrade if i jailbroke my iPhone, but as of iOS 7 that is no longer possible--even with jailbreak. newer does not always mean better. do you think i drive a car over 20 years old and with 276,000 plus miles because i cannot afford a new car?

I am aware it does not directly copy the S5's UI, but it has a few changes i'd notice and a few apps removed, as well as many reports of issues i would rather not face. and, again, i have no lag. but perhaps your definition of lag differs from mine. my phone feels as fluid as my iPhone 4 with iOS 6. when i had 'lag' with Android i was using Gingerbread and dealt with lockscreen freezes, sleep of death (turn it on the phone would never wake but would still make notification sounds) and issues where i'd hit an icon, wait a few seconds to see nothing, or see a black screen, then get a 'app has stopped responding, do you wish to close it?' alert. that to me was lag. essentially a phone that performed like an i486 running Windows 98 and full of malware. i do not consider microstutter lag. in fact microstutter occurs even on my Nexus products if enough stuff is running on it.

I must ask what is it about my refusal to upgrade because i choose not to (and gave various reasons why) that you fail to grasp?
 
i admit i have not. but my boss and his wife at work have AT&T S4's that got the upgrade. i'm not a fan of the all-white icons up top, and other changes that you notice in certain menus. their phones also are a bit more laggy than mine, then there are the threads here with people having issues i would choose to not have, and my boss has his phone reboot itself or freeze at times, which mine has never done before (i only rebooted it twice since i bought it, and only because it refused to connect to data). their AccuWeather widgets refuse to update too.

Since it's a one-way upgrade, i'm screwed if it messes things up. not a fan of a one-way upgrade that might introduce bugs i have not experienced. change for the sake of change is wrong. it's wrong to force it, and wrong to offer no downgrade option--that's why iOS 7 was the end of Apple for me. i used to be able to downgrade if i jailbroke my iPhone, but as of iOS 7 that is no longer possible--even with jailbreak. newer does not always mean better. do you think i drive a car over 20 years old and with 276,000 plus miles because i cannot afford a new car?

I am aware it does not directly copy the S5's UI, but it has a few changes i'd notice and a few apps removed, as well as many reports of issues i would rather not face. and, again, i have no lag. but perhaps your definition of lag differs from mine. my phone feels as fluid as my iPhone 4 with iOS 6. when i had 'lag' with Android i was using Gingerbread and dealt with lockscreen freezes, sleep of death (turn it on the phone would never wake but would still make notification sounds) and issues where i'd hit an icon, wait a few seconds to see nothing, or see a black screen, then get a 'app has stopped responding, do you wish to close it?' alert. that to me was lag. essentially a phone that performed like an i486 running Windows 98 and full of malware. i do not consider microstutter lag. in fact microstutter occurs even on my Nexus products if enough stuff is running on it.

I'm still tempted to install kit kat on my S3 once it comes out though, lol :P
 
omg they are going to give the S3 that Kitkat? i'm surprised since the 4.3 update made that phone feel slow and had other issues i'd rathar not have in my S4. i made the mistake of upgrading my S3 then which is one reason i don't take chances with my S4 since it works perfectly fine. the S3 used to get 4G LTE at home, which when you use your phone as your only home internet (i have no other options, i did have a account with a WISP but it sucked) you need 4G LTE to do any type of video streaming or downloading. when my S3 got the ML1 firmware with 4.3, it killed that and it only got 3G or 1X at home. i could not make calls without horrible call quality.

Since the update caused issues i choose to not take chances. i just cannot follow Ms. Frizzle's philosophy of 'Take Chances. Make Mistakes. Get Messy'

As i see it, the KitKat upgrade has zero to offer me. there is no killer smart feature that is exclusive to the updated software, and there are some UI changes and reports of other problems i'd rather not have, plus if i choose to update i will do it on my own time when i choose to. there is essentially zero benefit i see for updating and possible bugs i'd rather not have to deal with.
 
omg they are going to give the S3 that Kitkat? i'm surprised since the 4.3 update made that phone feel slow and had other issues i'd rathar not have in my S4. i made the mistake of upgrading my S3 then which is one reason i don't take chances with my S4 since it works perfectly fine. the S3 used to get 4G LTE at home, which when you use your phone as your only home internet (i have no other options, i did have a account with a WISP but it sucked) you need 4G LTE to do any type of video streaming or downloading. when my S3 got the ML1 firmware with 4.3, it killed that and it only got 3G or 1X at home. i could not make calls without horrible call quality.

Since the update caused issues i choose to not take chances. i just cannot follow Ms. Frizzle's philosophy of 'Take Chances. Make Mistakes. Get Messy'

As i see it, the KitKat upgrade has zero to offer me. there is no killer smart feature that is exclusive to the updated software, and there are some UI changes and reports of other problems i'd rather not have, plus if i choose to update i will do it on my own time when i choose to. there is essentially zero benefit i see for updating and possible bugs i'd rather not have to deal with.

Yeah....

Android 4.4 KitKat on the Samsung Galaxy S3 - YouTube

It isn't much different, I wish they at least changed the settings menu and the notifacation tray to look like it does on the S5 (or at least add some features the S4 has, not that hard to incorperate)...

I didn't notice any bugs with 4.3 (besides the lag and stutters) other than that it's fine (only the 2 gb variants are getting kitkat, btw so I'm good :P)

Well one thing that might interest you is the ram management, Kitkat is supposed to control ram better possibly making the phone faster.

Oh, and 4.4.3 is all bug fixes, so you won't be completely screwed if you do get bugs...
 
RAM management ceased to be a concern for me when i stopped using older, cheap handsets from the likes of Straight Talk or Net10. i don't even have that many apps running on my S4 (only the preloaded stuff--my games are all on my new Galaxy Note 10.1 which excels at gaming given the larger screen) and when i last checked it wasn't even using 1/3 the RAM available. i have tons it can give apps and no lag at all.

Yea, some of those S5 features i'm not fond of either. i know it changes a tiny bit in comparison but change is change. i hate learning things over again. i prefer a UI that remains familiar and doesn't change unless i either choose to let it or if i buy a new device that includes it--that's a holdover from my Apple iPhone days of yore.

there are a lot of reported issues that 4.4 introduces to the S4. some of them happened with 4.3 in the S3. it's not really the version of Android that's to blame but some other compatibility issues it introduces. the issue is that if i have bugs, there is no way to downgrade 4.4 to 4.3 again. that's what really irks me. it reminds me of when iOS 7 was one way and i could never go back to iOS 6. i even tried to buy another iPhone, but all the stores had the 5S and 5C that came out of box with (you guessed it) iOS 7.
 
RAM management ceased to be a concern for me when i stopped using older, cheap handsets from the likes of Straight Talk or Net10. i don't even have that many apps running on my S4 (only the preloaded stuff--my games are all on my new Galaxy Note 10.1 which excels at gaming given the larger screen) and when i last checked it wasn't even using 1/3 the RAM available. i have tons it can give apps and no lag at all.

Yea, some of those S5 features i'm not fond of either. i know it changes a tiny bit in comparison but change is change. i hate learning things over again. i prefer a UI that remains familiar and doesn't change unless i either choose to let it or if i buy a new device that includes it--that's a holdover from my Apple iPhone days of yore.

The S5 is hardly any different from the S4 :P

This KitKat update is kinda disappointing, in the sense that they didn't add much to their older devices (I saw a video on note 3 with kit kat, same thing as the S3/S4 with kit kat)

One thing I really like though is the camera shortcut on the lock screen :P
 
wanna bet? i saw the S5 in store and was very sickened by the changes they made to it. it almost comes off iOS 7 inspired. everything is FLAT. i cannot stand flat design. it reminds me of the days of MS-DOS!

Then there is Google forcing Samsung to remove their apps and use Google's crappy Hangouts instead of Messaging, Photos instead of Gallery.

sorry, i tend to prefer my familiar UI. i will not be seeing the S5 in my possession anytime soon. from what i am seeing of Samsung in the future, i might stop after the Note 3. they were really making Nature UX beautiful but then Google just had to step in and i suppose they hired some talent from Jony Ive. sorry, not buying.

perhaps i am ignorant but i have a camera shortcut on my lockscreen too. i can add any of a few icons i want. i can also voice-launch the camera too in two ways, either by S-Voice or a wake-up command.
 
wanna bet? i saw the S5 in store and was very sickened by the changes they made to it. it almost comes off iOS 7 inspired. everything is FLAT. i cannot stand flat design. it reminds me of the days of MS-DOS!

Then there is Google forcing Samsung to remove their apps and use Google's crappy Hangouts instead of Messaging, Photos instead of Gallery.

sorry, i tend to prefer my familiar UI. i will not be seeing the S5 in my possession anytime soon. from what i am seeing of Samsung in the future, i might stop after the Note 3. they were really making Nature UX beautiful but then Google just had to step in and i suppose they hired some talent from Jony Ive. sorry, not buying.

perhaps i am ignorant but i have a camera shortcut on my lockscreen too. i can add any of a few icons i want. i can also voice-launch the camera too in two ways, either by S-Voice or a wake-up command.


Yeah I get the shortcut thing you mean, but on kitkat you can swipe up from the bottom left to open it (like on iphone) but you lose all your other custom shortcuts...

I use hangouts, it's faster than the messaging app :P

What do you mean by "flat?"
 
All white icons on thr top are a Google policy since ICS. Most apps and manufacturers just didn't get to follow immediately.

As for the S5 conversation, S5 ships out with Kitkat, and yes the version I have shipped with Kitkat, and the old messaging, phone, it's own camera app, and several other proprietary Samsung apps are still there and still look the same except for the flat icons. I could also take pictures if you like, but as you can see from this review, they covered almost all the Samsung default apps, and they're still there:

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5-review-1064.php

UI is exactly the same except for flat icons.

As for the reported issues after update, it's most often nothing that can't be fixed by a factory reset. Usually such things are brought about by incompatibility between the apps already installed using the older Android version, then you change the Android. I would actually expect this on the kitkat upgrade for any device considering the change in the way Android handles the data for the apps.
 
that's another reason i don't update. i hate wiping all my stuff to make it work again. my phone already works. FYI a factory reset didn't fix the issues the ML1 radio firmware caused my S3. i could not get 4G to stay locked in at home and was living with slow 3G or worse, 1X. there was also a horrific Cell Standby battery drain too.

As for the UI, i hate flat design. it reminds me of the computers in the 1980s. i'm not reliving that on a phone capable of far more. it's change for the sake of change.

my time with an in-store S5 left me very less than impressed. i was like 'WTF? what happened to TouchWiz? did Jony Ive have anything to do with this hideous UI?'

You should see S-Voice on the S5. it almost looks like Siri on iOS 7. other apps have a more sterile flat design although not all do. in iOS 7 most apps remained skeuomorphic until they got updated to conform to the new design language, too. for the short time i lived with iOS 7, i would shove all the flat stock stuff into a folder, put it on a distant home screen and use older versions to keep the design i liked for over 4 years.

if i wanted a Nexus i'd buy a Nexus. i think stock or vanilla Android is flat-out boring, pun intended. Google also put their impossible-to-remove Google search widget on the S5 too. only way to dismiss it is another launcher.

Actually, the icon style is the same, but ICS and Jelly Bean use an electric blue for the color in stock Android, but i really liked the Gingerbread Green used by Samsung. it was one of those features, along with buttons that looked like buttons, that eased my way into newer versions of Android. i still don't like the stock look. KitKat removes the color both in TouchWiz as well as stock.

Also not fond of the utter removal of Nature UX. Nature is one of my favorite things, i adore deer (if my avatar didn't hint at that) and nature. Samsung made the first phone and tablet series that i could use out of the box without changing or reconfiguring tons of stuff. i adore the sounds and look of Nature UX. it got a massive improvement in the 3-D and depth in the S4. then the S5 ruins it. i will not use flat design. what's next? monochrome text? DOS? computer interfaces seem to be devolving backwards in time lately.
 
All white icons on thr top are a Google policy since ICS. Most apps and manufacturers just didn't get to follow immediately.

As for the S5 conversation, S5 ships out with Kitkat, and yes the version I have shipped with Kitkat, and the old messaging, phone, it's own camera app, and several other proprietary Samsung apps are still there and still look the same except for the flat icons. I could also take pictures if you like, but as you can see from this review, they covered almost all the Samsung default apps, and they're still there:

Samsung Galaxy S5 review: Fab Five - GSMArena.com

UI is exactly the same except for flat icons.

As for the reported issues after update, it's most often nothing that can't be fixed by a factory reset. Usually such things are brought about by incompatibility between the apps already installed using the older Android version, then you change the Android. I would actually expect this on the kitkat upgrade for any device considering the change in the way Android handles the data for the apps.

I hate doing factory resets cause then I have to wait for all my apps to download which... could take a while...
 
Gingerbread green got removed with Gingerbread itself. I've never seen it on any of my devices that got bumped to 3.0 or higher. Google removed it.
 
Oh you mean the battery icon. I thought you meant the general colors of the UI.

I must admit though, I'm one of the fans of a blue and white on black design.
 
i admit i have not.

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I deal with people everyday who ask questions about software updates, it's just supprising to find somebody here with quite a few posts with similar irrational fears of updating and very vague reasons why.

Enjoy jellybean. :D
 
Oh you mean the battery icon. I thought you meant the general colors of the UI.

Well all of the quick toggles are green, and in the settings they're all green as well :P
Samsung kept it. at least on the TouchWiz UI.


I love the green battery icon :D And on Android 4.3 they made it even brighter which I loved :D (I just hate how the upper part is a tad bit black... it's the same on kitkat for GS3/4)
 
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I deal with people everyday who ask questions about software updates, it's just supprising to find somebody here with quite a few posts with similar irrational fears of updating and very vague reasons why.

Enjoy jellybean. :D

I prefer Jellybeans over kitkats any ways.

(Is just me, or do Android versions have the best names ever?)

Cupcake, Donut, Eclair, Froyo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb, Ice cream sandwich, Jellybean, Kitkat.
 
Well all of the quick toggles are green, and in the settings they're all green as well :P


I love the green battery icon :D And on Android 4.3 they made it even brighter which I loved :D (I just hate how the upper part is a tad bit black... it's the same on kitkat for GS3/4)

It's one of those things I don't mind the color on. My Galaxy S has those turned blue, my Note 2 still has it in green, but it's not something I care about to notice. IMO it's not something to not get the update over.
 
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