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BetterBatteryStats and CPU Spy

glore2002

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I am using UHLPS ROM themed with siyah 3.4.1 and Juice Defender.

This happened to me today:

Tonight my phone turned off (deep sleep?). Before that, battery remaining was around 45%. After turning it on again, battery dropped to 10%.

Is this normal?
Besides that, I`ve noticed some of you use and like juice defender and some others don't. Some live everything (except bluetooth) on all day log without taking care of turning wifi or data off when not in use.

So, I would like to know if Juice Defencer was the one that caused this happened (turning my phone off and dropping battery) or not. Is there any other way to keep battery alive not sacrifying checking mails automatically, etc.

Is Juice defencer compatible with Siyah kernel 3.4.1 and battery profile?

Well, any advice will be -as always- very welcome.

Thanks!
Glore2002.-
 
I am using UHLPS ROM themed with siyah 3.4.1 and Juice Defender.

This happened to me today:

Tonight my phone turned off (deep sleep?). Before that, battery remaining was around 45%. After turning it on again, battery dropped to 10%.

Is this normal?

It could indicate that your battery is automatically re-calibrating its Fuel Gauge, as it is designed to do. This is nothing to worry about unless it happens on a regular basis... in which case you may need to re-calibrate it using the method described here.


Besides that, I`ve noticed some of you use and like juice defender and some others don't. Some live everything (except bluetooth) on all day log without taking care of turning wifi or data off when not in use.

So, I would like to know if Juice Defencer was the one that caused this happened (turning my phone off and dropping battery) or not. Is there any other way to keep battery alive not sacrifying checking mails automatically, etc.

If you have to use Juice defender it means that you have a problem or that your phone is not set-up correctly. Juice Defender can end up causing more problems than it solves and use more battery than it saves.

You should install BetterBatteryStats and CPU Spy from the Play Store to help you determine what is in fact using your battery.

Is Juice defencer compatible with Siyah kernel 3.4.1 and battery profile?

Yes it is... but I would not use Juice Defender at all!

I am fairly wasteful with my phone. Wi-Fi, auto brightness, Mobile data, Accounts and sync, all Location Services are all 24/7.... BUT... I do use most of the battery saving tips, here.

My advice... install the app's mentioned and monitor your usage over a week or so and carefully and thoroughly read and enact the Battery Saving tips... you will not achieve the best battery usage over night... it has taken me months of trial and testing to achieve my battery performance and it is still ongoing.

Above all... ditch Juice Defender!
 
Thanks! Ironass for your reply.

I am taking notes of how to recalibrate my battery and will do it.

Please, let me know what should I do after installing better battery stats and SpyCPU. What options should I choose and what to do next to discover what is causing my battery drain.

Ahh, I removed Juice Defender :-)

Is there a way to turn off wifi / data automatically when your phone is in stand by and letting it check for mails without using juice defender or any software like it?

Thanks again,
Glore2002.-
 
I am using UHLPS ROM themed with siyah 3.4.1 and Juice Defender.

This happened to me today:

Tonight my phone turned off (deep sleep?). Before that, battery remaining was around 45%. After turning it on again, battery dropped to 10%.

Is this normal?
Besides that, I`ve noticed some of you use and like juice defender and some others don't. Some live everything (except bluetooth) on all day log without taking care of turning wifi or data off when not in use.

So, I would like to know if Juice Defencer was the one that caused this happened (turning my phone off and dropping battery) or not. Is there any other way to keep battery alive not sacrifying checking mails automatically, etc.

Is Juice defencer compatible with Siyah kernel 3.4.1 and battery profile?

Well, any advice will be -as always- very welcome.

Thanks!
Glore2002.-

I suggest you don't bother using Juice Defender. I never liked it to begin with and so have others. Your phone is able to do what Juice Defender the proper way so to say. Just use Extweaks (comes with NEAT) or Setcpu if you want to conserve more battery. Juice Defender just aborts process abruptly and you don't always know what it's doing.
 
Please, let me know what should I do after installing better battery stats and SpyCPU. What options should I choose and what to do next to discover what is causing my battery drain.

This is where the reading part comes in...

BetterBatteryStats adds battery history back to Android

The online help

The how-to

Article from the Android PDK about Power Management

Samsung Galaxy S II General > [REF] Known identified battery drainers

I'm afraid there are no short cuts... it's a case of sitting down with a beverage of your choice and reading since everything you need to know about optimising the battery life of your phone, is there.

No one can say to you that you must delete this, or keep this... because everyone uses their phone differently. Only you can decide!

Those sites are the best places to look for answers and pose questions. At the end of it, you will be as knowledgeable as some of the other guys on here.

You can also start by getting rid of, "bloatware", if you haven't already.

Is there a way to turn off wifi / data automatically when your phone is in stand by and letting it check for mails without using juice defender or any software like it?

I don't bother as my phone is now optimised and it would use more battery to monitor and turn them on and off, than I would save.

NEAT ROM + Siyah kernel

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ironass tip to get you started... as per Hawker's post here...

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There are basically 2 areas to focus your attentions to on battery life.
1. For when your screen is on
2. When your screen is off.

Obvious eh? But just think about this for just a second...
* The screen is THE biggest battery drainer there is. Full stop. Its one of the pitfalls of having such a good one!
* The most used state of your phone is when its on idle.

Therefore, if you can make inroads into improving the efficiency of your phone in one or ideally both of these states, then you will be enjoying your phone for much longer periods between charges.

Therefore, you could start by doing the following...

At bedtime tonight, just before going to sleep, take a screenshot of your HOME screen, providing this shows the time and battery %.

Then go to CPU Spy > Menu > Reset Timers.

Then BetterBatteryStats > Menu > More > Set Custom Ref.

Go back to your HOME screen and do not touch your phone until the following morning. After your 3rd coffee, in my case, wake your phone up and take the following screenshots..

Home screen

CPU Spy screen

BBS screens, after setting the 2nd option on the screen to, "Since Custom Ref.", take a screenshot of all states, i.e. Other, Kernel Wakelock, etc; etc:

You will now be able to compare your 2 HOME screen shots and see how long your phone has been asleep/idle and how much battery it used in that time.For example... if your phone was asleep for 8 hours and your battery dropped by 12% then you average battery usage is..

12 / 8 = 1.5 Therefore your battery drop is 1.5% per hour.

You can then refer to your CPU Spy and see how much Deep Sleep % you had. In other words, how much your phone was awake.

You then look through your BBS screenshots and find out what was keeping your phone awake. Do this every night and you're halfway to solving your battery problems.

as I said in my previous post..."it has taken me months of trial and testing to achieve my battery performance and it is still ongoing."


(I suggest that you start a new post rather than clog up the NEAT thread as this is not directly related exclusively to NEAT)
 
First: Thank Ironass for re-directing my post.

Following your advice and reply, I left my phone sleep for a while: exactly: 4hs and 49minutes. These are the screenshots I took (before and after).

Let's see if any of you can help me analyzing the results. Thanks!

Home Before:


Home after:


CPUSpy (after):


BBS Screenshots After (Just the top part of the screens):










[IMG=http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/392/9bbs.png][/IMG]







[IMG=http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5049/13bbs.png][/IMG]


Juice Defender was frozen but still shows up in BBS. So I did uninstall it.
I know those are many screens. Hope it helps finding out if there is a battery drain. Thanks my friends!
Glore2002.-
 
Or... to put it another way... you can't be bothered to read through the links I gave you and sort it out for yourself and want someone to do it for you. ;)

Not exactly. I am reading through those links but I don't understand things so clear as some of you do. So I would like some experts support to help me find the way to analise this results. Maybe with one or two examples you give me based on my screenshots I will start going on my own.

Thanks again.
 
4% battery drain in 4 hours wow !!!!!!!

If i were you, id lose the % battery style and get on with enjoying your phone for what it is

A smartphone, not a paper weight
 
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