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Bionic actually faster then Razr in Quadrant

monsterenergy22

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So I stopped by my local verizon store today to play with the Razr. I decided to run quadrant on both of them since they were next to each other, and to my surprise, the Bionic actually scored higher!

Bionic = 2046
Razr = 2034

It wasn't by much, and I know benchmarks dont mean much in the real world, but I found it interesting.
 

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It varies with each phone. I've gotten as high as 2700 with my thrill once and never reached it again. Does certain things running in the background affect the score?
 
One of these days people will start realizing that these benchmark scores mean absolutely nothing.

How do you figure that? How fast an app opens, how smooth the web browser is on difficult to render pages, how well the latest hardware intense game runs on your phone doesn't matter? All of this is measured by various benchmark apps.

Sure, for people who don't care anything about performance and want basic features they don't matter, but that's not everyone and is certainly not the majority on a phone enthusiast forum.
 
How do you figure that? How fast an app opens, how smooth the web browser is on difficult to render pages, how well the latest hardware intense game runs on your phone doesn't matter? All of this is measured by various benchmark apps.

Sure, for people who don't care anything about performance and want basic features they don't matter, but that's not everyone and is certainly not the majority on a phone enthusiast forum.

Benchmarks are not perfect. There are a lot of factors involved and just because something scores a little higher does not mean its better.
 
How do you figure that? How fast an app opens, how smooth the web browser is on difficult to render pages, how well the latest hardware intense game runs on your phone doesn't matter? All of this is measured by various benchmark apps.

Sure, for people who don't care anything about performance and want basic features they don't matter, but that's not everyone and is certainly not the majority on a phone enthusiast forum.

Benchmarks don't measure any of that stuff. There hasn't been a single benchmarking app that's designed for the way android runs. I've seen where someone got a benchmark score, changed a couple of setting on the phone, re-ran the benchmark app and his score increased by about 75% because he was able to fool the program.
How fast an app opens, how smooth the web browser is on difficult to render pages, how well the latest hardware intense game runs on the phone all matters, but a benchmark will never accurately tell you any of that info, but the people who make the apps would like everyone to think they do(I guess they're kinda like apple that way).
That's why they mean absolutely nothing,.
 
Benchmarks don't measure any of that stuff. There hasn't been a single benchmarking app that's designed for the way android runs. I've seen where someone got a benchmark score, changed a couple of setting on the phone, re-ran the benchmark app and his score increased by about 75% because he was able to fool the program.
How fast an app opens, how smooth the web browser is on difficult to render pages, how well the latest hardware intense game runs on the phone all matters, but a benchmark will never accurately tell you any of that info, but the people who make the apps would like everyone to think they do(I guess they're kinda like apple that way).
That's why they mean absolutely nothing,.

In the future just delete my post. Don't change it.
 
How do you figure that? How fast an app opens, how smooth the web browser is on difficult to render pages, how well the latest hardware intense game runs on your phone doesn't matter? All of this is measured by various benchmark apps.

Sure, for people who don't care anything about performance and want basic features they don't matter, but that's not everyone and is certainly not the majority on a phone enthusiast forum.

if the benchmark app tests exactly that.

Also, there are multiple caveats here, but I'm going to address 3 of them.

1) A lot of people run benchmark apps on a system with very little actually running in the background on said system. If you take away what is considered every day running apps and tasks, sure, the benchmark is going to be artificially higher.

2) Benchmarks are not much different than, say, online speed tests. There are a lot of factors affecting the test, and a single run (or even 3 runs back to back) will never be a true representation of how well the system will perform in real world calculations. the only way to get that is to benchmark your system in a real world scenario - but if you're benchmarking the phone, then doing things like
How fast an app opens, how smooth the web browser is on difficult to render pages, how well the latest hardware intense game runs on your phone doesn't matter
won't measure well b/c you're already using your phone to do something else - run the benchmark app.

3) If you have TiBu, backup all your apps, perform a hard reset, skip adding a GMail account and then restore / install the benchmarking app. You'll be blown away. But, again, that is not real world.

Benchmark apps On Android simulate these conditions that you say they measure - they don't actually load a webpage, they don't actually load a game, they don't actually render the webpage on various sites.

Benchmarks are not perfect. There are a lot of factors involved and just because something scores a little higher does not mean its better.

It's a decent indication that something is working better, at least that one, 3, or 50 times the comparisons are performed....But, yes, they are not an End-all answer to which phone is better as that is a completely subjective matter.

Benchmarks don't measure any of that stuff. There hasn't been a single benchmarking app that's designed for the way android runs. I've seen where someone got a benchmark score, changed a couple of setting on the phone, re-ran the benchmark app and his score increased by about 75% because he was able to fool the program.
How fast an app opens, how smooth the web browser is on difficult to render pages, how well the latest hardware intense game runs on the phone all matters, but a benchmark will never accurately tell you any of that info, but the people who make the apps would like everyone to think they do(I guess they're kinda like apple that way).
That's why they mean absolutely nothing,.

There are benchmark apps out that that do well to simulate these things, but in the long run, it's as you say - they're not doing it for real.

Bwahahaha WRONGO!

Actually, right.

You're more than welcome to believe in benchmarks if you want to. Maybe Santa and the Easter Bunny will be willing to compare their benchmark scores with you.

Let's keep it civil, OK?
 
if the benchmark app tests exactly that.

Also, there are multiple caveats here, but I'm going to address 3 of them.

1) A lot of people run benchmark apps on a system with very little actually running in the background on said system. If you take away what is considered every day running apps and tasks, sure, the benchmark is going to be artificially higher.

2) Benchmarks are not much different than, say, online speed tests. There are a lot of factors affecting the test, and a single run (or even 3 runs back to back) will never be a true representation of how well the system will perform in real world calculations. the only way to get that is to benchmark your system in a real world scenario - but if you're benchmarking the phone, then doing things like won't measure well b/c you're already using your phone to do something else - run the benchmark app.

3) If you have TiBu, backup all your apps, perform a hard reset, skip adding a GMail account and then restore / install the benchmarking app. You'll be blown away. But, again, that is not real world.

Benchmark apps On Android simulate these conditions that you say they measure - they don't actually load a webpage, they don't actually load a game, they don't actually render the webpage on various sites.



It's a decent indication that something is working better, at least that one, 3, or 50 times the comparisons are performed....But, yes, they are not an End-all answer to which phone is better as that is a completely subjective matter.



There are benchmark apps out that that do well to simulate these things, but in the long run, it's as you say - they're not doing it for real.



Actually, right.

Thank you for explaining this in a way that people can(hopefully) understand. I just would like to see people stop posting benchmark scores as if they indicate the speed of a device.
 
Our good Guide, John, is doing his darned well best to keep the thread on topic and civil-semi-serious, etc (you'll see some of his posts removed, but they're just in a queue to be edited and reinstated in a few moments, but the others will remain deleted).

Is this thread begging to be locked, and infractions begging to be imposed on some otherwise good members? This is not the Lounge, friends. ;)

Please stick to the subject at hand in an informative manner, and respecting your fellow AF members.
 
I played with the Razr at the store today and it was a lot nicer then the Bionic. The screen is so much better and the camera took pictures in a quarter of the time or less. The pictures looked great compared to what I have taken with the Bionic. It still has the same multitouch issues that I guess I am the only one that notices. Either way it is a lot better then the Bionic.
 
My BIONIC takes pics in less than a second - you're saying the RAZR takes pics instantly?

I'm going to try to hit the VZW store here in a minute and see if I can do a comparison side by side of the two taking pics....I have to see this.

If it's that decent, I might ...nah, I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT blowing an upgrade on this phone. Never. Even if pics are instantaneous. Lol.
 
My BIONIC takes pics in less than a second - you're saying the RAZR takes pics instantly?

I'm going to try to hit the VZW store here in a minute and see if I can do a comparison side by side of the two taking pics....I have to see this.

If it's that decent, I might ...nah, I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT blowing an upgrade on this phone. Never. Even if pics are instantaneous. Lol.

You must have the only Bionic that left the factory with a camera that has an instant focus.
 
nah, actually I figured out a couple of things.

1) use the 8 MP setting, not the 6 MP setting.

2) Apply the 5.7.893 update.

3) When first running the camera app, let it get its bearings for the first 3 seconds. after that, start shooting.

I can snap almost 30 pics in a minute, because of storage time also.

but 1/4 of my less than 2 seconds means the RAZR is at less than half a second - virtually instantaneous. And it may be, I'm going to try to test it - who knows?

ICS is supposed to be pretty efficient with photography, so why not a phone that can do it now?
 
nah, actually I figured out a couple of things.

1) use the 8 MP setting, not the 6 MP setting.

2) Apply the 5.7.893 update.

3) When first running the camera app, let it get its bearings for the first 3 seconds. after that, start shooting.

I can snap almost 30 pics in a minute, because of storage time also.

but 1/4 of my less than 2 seconds means the RAZR is at less than half a second - virtually instantaneous. And it may be, I'm going to try to test it - who knows?

ICS is supposed to be pretty efficient with photography, so why not a phone that can do it now?

I am running the 5.7.893 update as well as shooting 8mp shots. At times I see as long as 6-7 seconds for it to focus and take the shot. When using the Razr I took 3 pictures back to back and right when you hit the shutter button the phone focused and took a clear picture within a second. That is something I have never seen from my Bionic.
 
Hmmm. Weird. I don't have the problem you're describing ever.

Did you do side by side tests taking photos with both?

I had class and ran out of time so I was not able to make it to the VZW store today. I'll try tomorrow.
 
Hmmm. Weird. I don't have the problem you're describing ever.

Did you do side by side tests taking photos with both?

I had class and ran out of time so I was not able to make it to the VZW store today. I'll try tomorrow.

If you are taking a picture of a non moving object its going to focus in around 1-2 seconds with the Bionic. If you are trying to take a picture of something that has some movement it can take the Bionic a long time to take the picture and it wont come out well either.

With the Razr the camera was a lot smoother and took pics very quickly from the time you hit the button. I am sure someone will make a comparison at some point but from what I tested the Razr takes a much quicker and clearer picture.
 
So I stopped by my local verizon store today to play with the Razr. I decided to run quadrant on both of them since they were next to each other, and to my surprise, the Bionic actually scored higher! It wasn't by much, and I know benchmarks dont mean much in the real world, but I found it interesting.

A parable ... from lots of software benchmarking ...

A business person wanted to hire an accountant ... he had three applicants ... he brought them all in one after the other one day, he handed them a spreadsheet, and asked them what the total income and expense was ... applicant one responded $120K and $20K, applicant two responded $120K and $20K, applicant three responded "what do you want it to be?"

... the third applicant was hired.

The first questin to answer when running any benchmark is ... what do you want the result to be? ... then do the benchmark.

... Thom
 
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