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Help Camera(s) not focusing

Vanquished

Android Expert
I was taking some 3D pictures yesterday and one of them I couldn't focus and the 3D correctly. Out of the blue I decided to close both of my eyes, one at a time, to see what the individual pictures looked like. The one on the right was blury, which is why I my eyes couldn't get the 3D image correctly. I didn't think anything of it at the time, I just thought I had moved the phone somehow at the last second causing one of the cameras to move out of focus until I saw this thread over at XDA:

Common fault with the Evo 3D (right camera problem) - xda-developers

It seems that the right camera has trouble focusing sometimes (or it still very well could be the phone not being completely still as well). I'm just curious if anyone else has encountered anything like this.
 
I haven't read the entire thread, but I can definately tell some of the people have no clue what they are talking about. Reading through some other threads, it seems there is quite a bit of hostile, ignorant and arogant people floating around there. :(

I make mistakes, and don't know everything, but it's definately a different environment over there which they seem to critique at ever corner.
 
This is probably one of the more informative posts there about the several issues, including those caused by members. :p

Don't worry mmace, you're not alone. I've seen this problem manifest itself, for me it's usually a very quick blip while the right camera goes wonky, but noticeable none the less. I haven't used 3D enough, but no doubt I would eventually get the huge discrepancies your videos demonstrate. I don't know what HTC is doing to record 3D, but I get the feeling both cameras are operating independently (focus, wb, etc), and I think there is some sort of active on-board processing going on where the two images are being merged. I know common sense dictates two cameras = two video streams = humans have two eyes, but I don't think it's that simple. The 2nd camera absolutely is not physically moving, so when the right camera suddenly shifts 20% then corrects itself, it must be the result of some sort of software merging gone awry. Kind of like how P&S cameras have internal panorama modes that attempt to crudely align multiple images to make an in-camera panorama.

I've also tried to enlighten the xda crowd over the shortcomings of the camera compared to the original EVO (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21884233/evocompare.jpg) yet most people become very upset at the notion their new device isn't perfect, and took it out on the messenger, just like they have to you in this thread. It's sort of interesting to witness though, as the confrontational attitudes from many people are a direct glimpse into things such as cognitive dissonance and post-purchase rationalization. Honestly, it's a bit shocking to see how these mental states can take such a firm and decisive grip, often times entirely overriding the thought processes that would normally allow one to perform rational reasoning. And I guess it goes without saying, it's particularly ironic to see such behavior within a group of people who are often brutally judgmental of similar qualities in Apple's flock of sheeple.

When I pay a multibillion dollar company to produce a product with a certain set of features, I expect them to work as advertised. Period. A small bug or two is fine, I can understand that.
But when flagship features are unable to meet their own expectations even under optimal conditions, that's just cheap, shoddy, lazy development (or, hopefully, merely code). Reminds me of when HTC dropped the framerate of the entire original Evo down to NTSC, merely because they were too lazy to properly code a separate interface for HDMI.

A few years ago, extra things like cameras on cell phones were just icing on the cake, supplemental features that were "cool", but didn't make or break a product because there was really no competition. But nowadays that's very different. Things like camera quality (or new features like 3D ability) are vital to differentiating and promoting a device in the sea of smartphones we're swimming in. With more and more people ditching dedicated devices (P&S cameras, video cameras, MP3 players, etc) and turning to smartphones, these features are now pillars of everyday life and they deserve more than the caviler attention manufacturers have been willing to give them in the past.
 
Here's another interesting reply. I'm interested to see what he comes up with (I'm going to play around with the camera alot more now as well):

I design digital photography software that supports both 2D and 3D photos and maybe I can help a little here. First, these all do look like issues that need to be fixed/improved. Here's what I after reading this thread to this point.

(1) Focus. I think some of the focus problems may be smudges but I too have noticed a focus hunting problem in 3D videos even before the camera was released. See my post from June 21 where I was contemplating holding off a while on the 3vo: xda-developers - View Single Post - [6-21-11][ROM] gingerbread-evo-deck [1.2][2.3.4 Stable] . I hope my decision to pull the trigger early doesn't haunt me. Due to the way 3D works, both cameras should be communicating with each other to produce a common focus so if one camera is out of focus, you'd think there must be some dislink. Man I hope it isn't a hardware issue. :confused:

(2) Color. Again the two cameras should be talking to a common piece of software. You'd think they would design it such that both cameras use the same white balance and exposure. The color issue looks to be a difference in white balance between the two cameras. I've also taken some test shots and they all show a slightly brighter exposure in one camera compared to the other. That shouldn't happen either. Fortunately even if the two cameras are out of sync hardware-wise, it should be possible to get them in sync using a simple calibration process (via software). The way things look now, it looks almost as if the two cameras do their own independent white balance so slightly different lighting in one camera can cause color to diverge from the other. That shouldn't be happening if the software is working properly.

(3) Moving. The way the right camera moves suggests that there may be some sort of servo in there that is adjusting something. It doesn't look loose but it's hard to tell. I guess it is possible that HTC designed some sort of parallax control into the camera. For example, if you hold a pencil at arms length and focus on it as you move it toward your face, when you get about 9 inches from your face, an observer will tell you that your eyes are crossed. That's because both eyes are converging to focus on the close up object. The camera may have the same capability for taking pictures of things up close. If so, there may be a servo that adjusts the parallax by moving the right camera (you'd only have to move one of them). And... maybe that software is too sensitive and the movement we see in these videos is the camera (software) hunting for a new parallax distance.

I may do some testing today myself to see if I can get a better handle on this stuff.

Mike
 
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