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Can Google do this to hurt Apple's sales?

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zijincheng

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I always wondered can Google dent Apple device sales pretty badly if they did the following:

Somehow "ban" all Apple devices (well except laptops and desktops) from using google search and services?

"Ban" ipods, iphones, ipads from using youtube since google owns youtube?

If Google did this right now could they dent Apple's sales?
Also, is it possible for them to do this, so the only way around these is some sort of illegal hack that would void a iphones warranty?
 
zijincheng said:
I always wondered can Google dent Apple device sales pretty badly if they did the following:

Somehow "ban" all Apple devices (well except laptops and desktops) from using google search and services?

"Ban" ipods, iphones, ipads from using youtube since google owns youtube?

If Google did this right now could they dent Apple's sales?
Also, is it possible for them to do this, so the only way around these is some sort of illegal hack that would void a iphones warranty?
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Now come on . . .they really cannot do this. Google needs the cash and ads create the cash. It could also be illegal. I have also wondered just how many laws apply to a Google. They pretty much control the web search business, so can they legally ban you if you are not legal?

If Google wants to do some good, they need to ban all torrent sites, ROM sites, and other sites. Let the web masters prove their site is legal and what they link to is legitimate products before their sites can be indexed.

Let's not pick on a LEGITIMATE company like Apple. Apple does nothing illegal. You clearly hate Apple and that is why you posted such a silly idea.

I do not think anyone wants to pick a fight with Apple; it is not smart for business.
 
Don't know if the OP necessarily hates apple, but was just putting out an idea, taken from the basis of apple suing everyone who"steals" their ideas, but are happy to use notifications etc....

Personally I think it's kind of ironic that apples main competitor, is used on their devices (starting to change now with new maps app and navigation)
 
The funny thing is, apple know they rely on google a lot so they dont tend so much to go directly for them. Rather indirectly through phone manufactures which I think is disgusting.

Anyway, there is a simple lesson to Google AND phone manufacturers here:

If you invent something, realise its worth and patent it. If you licence something, think instead about buying it. If the only option is to licence a patent, ensure the contract remains valid if the patent changes hands.

Hopefully this can stop some of the underhand tactics going on.
 
This would only hurt consumers...

Just because someone buys into a platform/company/whatever you don't like doesn't mean the people using the products should be punished. That idea is ridiculous.

Apple is a jerk to alot of companies. but this would also hurt Google in the end too. The huge apple user base would move to other similar services and Google would loose money.

Google is better than that anyway.
 
Bob Maxey said:
Now come on . . .they really cannot do this. Google needs the cash and ads create the cash. It could also be illegal. I have also wondered just how many laws apply to a Google. They pretty much control the web search business, so can they legally ban you if you are not legal?

If Google wants to do some good, they need to ban all torrent sites, ROM sites, and other sites. Let the web masters prove their site is legal and what they link to is legitimate products before their sites can be indexed.

Let's not pick on a LEGITIMATE company like Apple. Apple does nothing illegal. You clearly hate Apple and that is why you posted such a silly idea.

I do not think anyone wants to pick a fight with Apple; it is not smart for business.
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No, I don't hate apple, I'm just really sad because they moved away from catering to us techies to the common man, which is actually the most incredibly smart and best direction apple could take.

I've just become rather obsessed with how Steve Jobs was always saying that Google was stealing their ideas, and no doubt they were, but on the flip side, Apple was blatantly taking ideas from google as well, although google didn't raise a huge hoohah over it.

Even though Apple did "take" less ideas from google than google did to Apple, is still doesn't excuse the fact that Apple is accusing google of doing something they are doing themselves.

I was just wondering if Google wanted to suddenly retaliate with force, legally could they stop google from reaching iDevices?

Oh and another question, lets pretend that it was legal. Would that stop many people from buying Apple products? Personally, I think not

EDIT: Just to be clear that I don't hate Apple, iOS is clearly the less fragmented and more user friendly OS compared to Android, and I personally would use iOS as opposed to Android, except for 2 reasons:

SO EXPENSIVE......
Jailbreaking voids warranty (I like playing around with ROMs and stuff)
 
zuben el genub said:
Apple has fired the first salvo here, too:
Apple begins censoring books - Don't mention Amazon | TechEye

If Apple tries to censor all books from all sellers for this, then I will be very annoyed.
It sets too dangerous a precedent and we have enough problems with censorship anyway.
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You mean for example if Apple censored books, then Google censored google search, then Windows censored oh I don't know, desktops, directx then the consumer would die?

Also, would it work? Would "censoring" (if legal) google search from iDevices get people very annoyed and not buy the next eg iPhone 5?
 
zuben el genub said:
Apple has fired the first salvo here, too:
Apple begins censoring books - Don't mention Amazon | TechEye

If Apple tries to censor all books from all sellers for this, then I will be very annoyed.
It sets too dangerous a precedent and we have enough problems with censorship anyway.
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You know, this is approaching the level of childish behavior on Apple's part. First the lawsuit saying Apple's Violation of Samsung's patents was worth .00047 cents per device, while Samsung's violations were worth $30+... Now this? Apple seems to be operating in bad faith with its competitors.
 
zijincheng said:
I was just wondering if Google wanted to suddenly retaliate with force, legally could they stop google from reaching iDevices?

Oh and another question, lets pretend that it was legal. Would that stop many people from buying Apple products? Personally, I think not

EDIT: Just to be clear that I don't hate Apple, iOS is clearly the less fragmented and more user friendly OS compared to Android, and I personally would use iOS as opposed to Android, except for 2 reasons:

SO EXPENSIVE......
Jailbreaking voids warranty (I like playing around with ROMs and stuff)
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I am not sure there is a way legally stop Google from allowing access from iDevices. This would be a fascinating case to watch unfold. It really does not matter because Google WOULD NEVER DO THAT. It would be a terrible business move. Not sure Google would want to spend the money blocking Apple computers and devices.

As for Jailbreaking, it is legal until the LOC Librarian makes a decision. If it is determined a JB/Root violates copyright law--as was asserted by Apple in the past--then we are all lawless scallywags.

Remember, the LOC decision is not permanent, it soon comes up for review.

Steve Jobs said Apple will never take jailbreakers and rooters to court. The only way that can change is if Jailbreaking becomes incredibly popular and it starts to hurt sales.

There are ways to DL cracked iOS applications and at least one Cydia application gives you access to thousands of applications at no charge.

The LOC determined jailbreaking and rooting is legal for cellular phones, but it her decision, iPads were never mentioned because they did not exist at the time of the ruling.

So Jailbreaking is still up in the air as far as iPads and Android Tablets are concerned. That said chances are, the courts would likely determine that the same rules that apply to cell phones should also apply to tablets. But we are talking about complex cases and who knows what can happen in a copyright case.
 
zuben el genub said:
Apple has fired the first salvo here, too:
Apple begins censoring books - Don't mention Amazon | TechEye

If Apple tries to censor all books from all sellers for this, then I will be very annoyed.
It sets too dangerous a precedent and we have enough problems with censorship anyway.
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Actually, there is more to the case than the link discusses. I know something about this specific case.

Not enough info provided in the article to decide just how evil Apple is. She did violate one of Apples TOS conditions by including links. So she was on Apple's radar from the get go. Secondly, you do not know what she said to Apple.

Finally, it is not censorship; only the government can censor. Apple made a decision to not allow some things and as an author, you must follow their rules. Selling through Apple is not a right, after all.
 
Hmm... instead of censoring or something like that... Google could set up something that uses the iphone/ipad user-agent and makes the page look awful. They'd also hit a ton of android devices though.... But why should they?

I don't think it'll help the situation at all. I think, instead, the patent system should be more like a game, Russian roulette to be precise.

When company A wants to sue over this patent, and they are wrong, then one of their pattens goes into the public domain. I really thought this should have been the case when Disney filed for a trade make on "Seal Team Six" after the whole Bin Laden event. IMO they should have lost Micky Mouse or something like that. ;)
 
Google earns four times more from iOS than Android.

In October 2011, Google CEO Larry Page claimed Google
 
Bob Maxey said:
Now come on . . .they really cannot do this. Google needs the cash and ads create the cash. It could also be illegal. I have also wondered just how many laws apply to a Google. They pretty much control the web search business, so can they legally ban you if you are not legal?

If Google wants to do some good, they need to ban all torrent sites, ROM sites, and other sites. Let the web masters prove their site is legal and what they link to is legitimate products before their sites can be indexed.

Let's not pick on a LEGITIMATE company like Apple. Apple does nothing illegal. You clearly hate Apple and that is why you posted such a silly idea.

I do not think anyone wants to pick a fight with Apple; it is not smart for business.
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yes.. apple is doing everything by the book... all legal..
but it dont mean it is ethical!

patenting things they clear did not invent or innovate!!! then suing everyone that uses it.

then stealing things form other OS... and marketing machine makes it seem like they invented if first.. and the Fanboys believing it. then accusing others of stealing it.

yes.. what they do is legal. but apple SUCKS big GOOGLE balls.
 
Alright guys, let me rephrase my question, I realize I wasn't being very clear.

I want to know the effect it would have on Apple's sales if Google "blocked" its search engines and offerings from iDevices, assuming 2 things:

Its legal
Google doesn't care about cost (Or google CEO wants to imitate Steve jobs and DESTROY APPLE no matter what the cost :P)
 
dan330 said:
yes.. apple is doing everything by the book... all legal..
but it dont mean it is ethical!

patenting things they clear did not invent or innovate!!! then suing everyone that uses it.

then stealing things form other OS... and marketing machine makes it seem like they invented if first.. and the Fanboys believing it. then accusing others of stealing it.

yes.. what they do is legal. but apple SUCKS big GOOGLE balls.
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I maintain three things:

1) The patent system needs to be changed.

2) If you own a patent, then you have the right to protect it. It might seem like a silly patent to you, but if it is a legal patent, you must protect it.

3) If you are a manufacturer, it is up to you to see that your product does not violate existing patents.
 
zijincheng said:
Alright guys, let me rephrase my question, I realize I wasn't being very clear.

I want to know the effect it would have on Apple's sales if Google "blocked" its search engines and offerings from iDevices, assuming 2 things:

Its legal
Google doesn't care about cost (Or google CEO wants to imitate Steve jobs and DESTROY APPLE no matter what the cost :P)
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I am not sure what would happen or how it would affect the bottom line.

Smart corporations like Apple and Google do whatever is needed to protect profits. They are legally required to do so because they are public companies.

It might force Apple to develop a search engine or there is always Bing.

I think you need to find a better way to combat the evil Apple because Apple will never, ever ban Google and Google will never, ever ban Apple.
 
Bob Maxey said:
I maintain three things:

1) The patent system needs to be changed.

2) If you own a patent, then you have the right to protect it. It might seem like a silly patent to you, but if it is a legal patent, you must protect it.

3) If you are a manufacturer, it is up to you to see that your product does not violate existing patents.
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yeah yeah yeah.. on all 3 points..

i maintain.. apple sucks.. for using bad law system.. to slow competition over real innovation!

just because I found a loop-hole in the legal system.. to come over and shoot your dog... does not make it RIGHT!!!!
 
OP... if .. if it was legal.. and if google wanted too...and did..

i think apple would find resources to replace those services.. outsourced or inhouse.
apples marketing machine will then put out the supper reality distortion field.. and make it SEEM like a better product. business as usual but google would not get the marketing $$$ from ads.
 
9to5cynic said:
I don't think it'll help the situation at all. I think, instead, the patent system should be more like a game, Russian roulette to be precise.

When company A wants to sue over this patent, and they are wrong, then one of their pattens goes into the public domain. I really thought this should have been the case when Disney filed for a trade make on "Seal Team Six" after the whole Bin Laden event. IMO they should have lost Micky Mouse or something like that. ;)
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If you want to change the patent system, go for it. Start a campaign, speak to your local representatives, hire lawyers, get the public behind you and go for it.

Punishing Disney will never happen and until you change the foundations of the patent system, no court can possibly take Mickey Mouse away. There is no justification for taking Mickey away from Disney just because they filed for a trademark on ST-6.

I am not familiar with Disney and "Seal Team Six" except they withdrew the application and they were not the first to file for trademarks. CBS and NCIS come to mind. I cannot comment on the specifics.
 
dan330 said:
yeah yeah yeah.. on all 3 points..

i maintain.. apple sucks.. for using bad law system.. to slow competition over real innovation!

just because I found a loop-hole in the legal system.. to come over and shoot your dog... does not make it RIGHT!!!!
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If you met my dog you would fall in love
 
Bob Maxey said:
If you met my dog you would fall in love
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LOL...

OK.. you win.. i will change that example.. to fit the discussion better.

If I find a loop-hole in the legal system... to come over and fall in love your dog so much.. that i take him with me. and put you in jail for trying to take him back; for dog-napping!
 
dan330 said:
OP... if .. if it was legal.. and if google wanted too...and did..

i think apple would find resources to replace those services.. outsourced or inhouse.
apples marketing machine will then put out the supper reality distortion field.. and make it SEEM like a better product. business as usual but google would not get the marketing $$$ from ads.
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Thank you, this was the kind of answer I was looking for!
 
dan330 said:
LOL...

OK.. you win.. i will change that example.. to fit the discussion better.

If I find a loop-hole in the legal system... to come over and fall in love your dog so much.. that i take him with me. and put you in jail for trying to take him back; for dog-napping!
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You can't fall for my dog, even though you would. You might love him but it is an unrequited love.
 
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