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Root [CDMA] Root, keep Stock, OTA?

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pauleroni

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I don't want to root. I would only root to change the screen resolution (or install a new System Font .ttf). I love Sense, and want to continue to get and be able to download and install OTA updates. No ROM's, no kernels, no custom radios, etc. I ONLY want to root to change screen resolution.

Once rooting on the 3VO is possible, is the above possible? To root and keep stock ROM, and continue to download/install OTA's?
 
pauleroni said:
I don't want to root. I would only root to change the screen resolution (or install a new System Font .ttf). I love Sense, and want to continue to get and be able to download and install OTA updates. No ROM's, no kernels, no custom radios, etc. I ONLY want to root to change screen resolution.

Once rooting on the 3VO is possible, is the above possible? To root and keep stock ROM, and continue to download/install OTA's?
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I feel the same...Would like to change system wide text size, enable wi fi tethering and then go back to my normal phone with updates possible ota.

Jeff
 
I'm pretty sure once you go to a custom recovery the OTA updates aren't going to be available to you anymore.

It's not really a big deal though. Just wait a few days after the release and your favorite dev will have the goodies of the update available for install. You just have to wipe and flash. You'll start to look forward to having the extra control after a while. Afterall, not all of the stuff in an update is good or desireable...
 
You can do somethings with root then unroot. I bet you could do that with the text font change. But if you do anything else, like remove some bloat or flash anything, I doubt you'd still get OTAs. The only real concern is that the next OTA may revert your changes to default and there's no way of knowing if the devs find a root exploit for the new OTAs.
 
Could this be achievable withbsome sort of temp root, semi root, partial root, etc.? That's literally the only thing I want to change
 
pauleroni said:
Could this be achievable withbsome sort of temp root, semi root, partial root, etc.? That's literally the only thing I want to change
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this was possible with unrevoked 3 back in the evo days, which was a temp root that would keep you stock and re root after reboot. as far as otas go, once rooted it is not advisable to take the otas. there are a few reasons

1. with the ota, the hole used to root could become closed then you have to wait for the devs to unroot which the evo 4g community is feeling now, if this happens you are stuck till another root exploit is found, can take 1 day to 3 months or more

2. with custom recovery, you can flash stock rooted ota without wiping data, just wiping caches.

3. you have the ability to do basically what ever you want with the phone.

If you want to change fonts through temp root or perm root but want to unroot to take otas, you will lose all changes when each ota comes out. flashing roms through recovery is not difficult once you get used to it. with root, you also have tha ability to make a full backup of your system to revert to if you ever try something and dont like it or screw something up.

If you have questions, ask. i have used this root method and with set cpu alone i am able to underclock and get about 20+ hrs per charge with moderate usage during work days.
 
Obtaining root and running on the stock ROM will feel no different than being unrooted. But you will have lots of options/configurations available to you that you didn't have before. None of this will be apparent just using your stock ROM. For example, say you want to scale up the size things show up on the screen? There's a rooted app for that. Or you can tweak config files in the filesystem manually. Find your MSL, wifi tether, over/underclock your processor, etc... there are rooted apps for that. Some of these apps will be in the market; others are available elsewhere.

As for getting updates, this is not as cumbersome as it may seem, and you can thank the huge rooting community for that. Let's say HTC releases an OTA (over-the-air) update. You never want to accept an OTA update if you're rooted. The OTA is designed for a purely stock ROM, and the fact that you're rooted means your phone is one-off from how it left the factory. Therefore, there's no guarantee that OTA functions properly.

So instead, you wait for the rooted version of the OTA update. The process of packaging up such a rooted ROM takes a few minutes for the developer who does it. And s/he does it for the greater good of the rooting community. It will be available within hours of the OTA, and sometimes you'll have access to it before your phone gets the OTA notification.

Flashing the rooted ROM is a very straightforward process, and I will make sure that somewhere in the sticky threads, there will be instructions on how to flash ROMs.

In summary, you can root, and then never take advantage of anything that root access offers, and your phone will work just like it was never rooted. Rooting a phone only offers you more options; it does not change the immediate behavior of the phone. You have total control over how you want to take advantage of root access. You will not be handicapped by having root in terms of getting updates. You just have to flash the rooted update manually, rather than let HTC do it over-the-air for you.

I'd venture to say that once you are rooted, you will discover some neat abilities that you're going to take advantage of, simply because they are so useful (NANDroid backups, Titanium Backup, possibly SetCPU).
 
pauleroni said:
Could this be achievable withbsome sort of temp root, semi root, partial root, etc.? That's literally the only thing I want to change
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Yes, but if you ever took an OTA, you might lose the mod you made and risk never being able to reinstall it.
 
wake69 said:
If you want to change fonts through temp root or perm root but want to unroot to take otas, you will lose all changes when each ota comes out. flashing roms through recovery is not difficult once you get used to it. with root, you also have tha ability to make a full backup of your system to revert to if you ever try something and dont like it or screw something up.
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jerofld said:
Yes, but if you ever took an OTA, you might lose the mod you made and risk never being able to reinstall it.
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Thats what I said
 
wake69 said:
Thats what I said
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TWo things I only need to have done with my EVO 3D

1) Make all the fonts phone wide so that it is as large as it is on EVO 4g

2) Wireless tethering.

Other than that I don't need anything else.

I have to root, right?

No chance of apps coming out that would allow this without rooting is there?

jeff
 
EarlyMon said:
So far as I know - both of those will be requiring root, or paying Sprint for their hotspot.
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I guess I'll have to root,

Saw it somewhere , where is the idiots guide to rooting the evo 3d ?

I just want the EVO 3D to look as BIG under people and into people under the hood as it does in the 4g.

I know I'm taking a risk of OTA updates and even restoring to the Original rom (If I can)

But as long as I can use market Ill be happy.

But primarily system wide EVO 4g Font largeness and Wireless tethering (at 4g speeds if available ?) are my two concerns.

(Just wish HTC would fix the system wide font issue on their own)


Also the typing on the landscape keyboard how come its so damn awful, a million typos, is it me?)

Thanks,

Jeff
 
Root is coming soon - so, you'll have to wait on the guide.

Almost everyone locks their roms - causing no end of font headaches. Pity the Japanese visiting us on extended stays - on American models, the best they can get is a unified Korean-Chinese-Japanese unicode font that does NOT interpret and display messages from home well at all.

Agree - hate typing on glass in landscape!
 
Will this work:
For now: Temp root, and either a) change screen density/resolution with market app, or b) change system's ttf font, reboot (lose root as it was temp root), keep changes, then accept OTAs?

For later: Root in full (once available), never accept OTAs, update manually just the stock ROM, and never worry about.updating Kernels, Radios, etc...?

Any flaws?
 
So when rooting becomes available for the EVO 3D I have the following questions:

1) The new version sense will still be there?

2) If there's a problem with my phone and it has to be swapped out, will sprint say no cuz it was rooted?

3) Can rooting hurt my internet access or disconnect me ?

4) Once wi fi tethering is achieved on a rooted phone, can 4g speeds be accessed when tethered to it?

5) For arguements sake, can the resolution be brought back to evo 4g's resolution of 800 x 480 vs evo 3d's I think 960x540??


Thanks,

jeff
 
evoguy2012 said:
So when rooting becomes available for the EVO 3D I have the following questions:

1) The new version sense will still be there?

2) If there's a problem with my phone and it has to be swapped out, will sprint say no cuz it was rooted?

3) Can rooting hurt my internet access or disconnect me ?

4) Once wi fi tethering is achieved on a rooted phone, can 4g speeds be accessed when tethered to it?

5) For arguements sake, can the resolution be brought back to evo 4g's resolution of 800 x 480 vs evo 3d's I think 960x540??


Thanks,

jeff
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1. Yes. Root is simply like getting Admin access on your PC - nothing really needs to change once you have (except you no longer accept OTA updates, you get the equivalent from the dev community, anywhere from hours to a day from the OTA release).

2. If a backout to unrooted is available, as exists for the Evo, it won't be a problem. If concerned on this, best to root after the official HTC bootloader unlock becomes available. There is also a concerned voiced at XDA that HTC might using a callback to alert Sprint about rooted users. In such a case, an independent solution will surely be offered. Or - you can be like me, send an email to the Sprint CEO with full account id, say you're rooted, and ask them to cut the comedy over the warranty issue.

3. No.

4. Nearly - there's always a penalty going thru another connection.

5. There a root-only app that adjusts dealing with LCD apparent resolution, but I've not used it or know its details. (and your resolution numbers are correct)
 
EarlyMon said:
1. Yes. Root is simply like getting Admin access on your PC - nothing really needs to change once you have (except you no longer accept OTA updates, you get the equivalent from the dev community, anywhere from hours to a day from the OTA release).

2. If a backout to unrooted is available, as exists for the Evo, it won't be a problem. If concerned on this, best to root after the official HTC bootloader unlock becomes available. There is also a concerned voiced at XDA that HTC might using a callback to alert Sprint about rooted users. In such a case, an independent solution will surely be offered. Or - you can be like me, send an email to the Sprint CEO with full account id, say you're rooted, and ask them to cut the comedy over the warranty issue.

3. No.

4. Nearly - there's always a penalty going thru another connection.

5. There a root-only app that adjusts dealing with LCD apparent resolution, but I've not used it or know its details. (and your resolution numbers are correct)
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Thanks so much for the valuable info.

I will definitely root when it becomes available, wirelessly connecting to my ipad sounds great.

Am I limited to one device or several?

Though not 4g through tether but high speed nonethless?


Almost gave back my evo 3d for a 4g until reading the valuable info here

Thanks,

Jeff
 
You can tether up to 8 devices, if I recall the spec sheet correctly. It's at least 5 devices, that I'm sure on.

The speed penalty that will exist by going through another device should be small. Most likely, you won't even notice it. For all intents and purposes, tethering your iPad to your 3vo will seem like your iPad has 4G.
 
pauleroni said:
Will something like that stick with Temp Rooting (or work without S-Off)?
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I would think that it would. My experience with my DX was that you could change pixel density, and then unroot and it would keep the density. Because you modified a file named build.prop (a similar file on the evo exists as default.prop, but the 4G owners could probably clarify/confirm this). I believe you could also install the adfree hosts list with temp root and keep it forever, assuming you never took an OTA. If you ever wanted to change/update any of your modifications, you would have to re-root.
 
jerofld said:
I would think that it would. My experience with my DX was that you could change pixel density, and then unroot and it would keep the density. Because you modified a file named build.prop (a similar file on the evo exists as default.prop, but the 4G owners could probably clarify/confirm this). I believe you could also install the adfree hosts list with temp root and keep it forever, assuming you never took an OTA. If you ever wanted to change/update any of your modifications, you would have to re-root.
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You'd think so - I thought so, too, despite reading otherwise some months back.

Deal on temp root is that while temp root is active, everything operates as if you have real root - things written to the /system area look and act like they're really there.

When you reboot - that all disappears. Adfree hosts list - gone. Completely counter-intuitive.

So - temp root is not the answer.

And this particular temp root is is far from a user-friendly temp root as is found with things like z4root (example only, not for use with 3vo). It's flagged for use by devs to help kick holes open. For that reason, I'm personally cautioning against it as alternative for new rooters.
 
evoguy2012 said:
Am I limited to one device or several?

Though not 4g through tether but high speed nonethless?
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jerofld said:
You can tether up to 8 devices, if I recall the spec sheet correctly. It's at least 5 devices, that I'm sure on.

The speed penalty that will exist by going through another device should be small. Most likely, you won't even notice it. For all intents and purposes, tethering your iPad to your 3vo will seem like your iPad has 4G.
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The root-only Wireless Tether app lets one device tether at a time - but I'm going by memory there, so I could be wrong.

There's a new framework method being worked for the 3vo at XDA that hoodwinks the built-in hotspot feature and is targeted to allow the full 8 users.

On my Evo, the few times I've used Wireless Tether, I noticed a speed penalty of around 10~20% at times, but that was using the 3G connection - likely, that's quite different from 4G results.
 
On the Evo 4g I had 3 lappy's connected to wireless tether at one time. As for temp root if you need wireless tether it's worth it in my opinion. I posted a link in the other thread to a dev that makes getting the temp root with superuser easy as pie. No dev experience needed. Then add barnacles app and you have wifi tether until you reboot. Then just do it again. Annoying, but how often do we reboot and how ofter will we need wireless tether capability? Still would like permaroot for other stuff though.
 
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