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CoPilot Live Premium released

I do prefer CPL V8 to my old TomTom mobile so am tempted. Do I need the new look and extra features though?? probably, yes!!
 
Interesting - for that price I grabbed it, although based on Garmin's recent purchase of Navigon, I'd already shelled out the big bucks for that one, last night. I'll play with them both and see which one ends up the winner.
 
Im just about to buy this BUT i need to to know first can i install it on my SD Card ? I have a HTC Desire with pathetic internal memory so this is essential to me .
 
Thinking about buying this app, loved the older one but anyone know if you can buy apps with a credit card, or paypal? I don't want this adding to my current bill.
 
minerwilly said:
Im just about to buy this BUT i need to to know first can i install it on my SD Card ? I have a HTC Desire with pathetic internal memory so this is essential to me .
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You should be able, but you build up quickly some 10MB data which remains in internal storage.
 
I thought I'd just post a summary of my tweets from today after buying, downloading, installing and using the new version of CoPilot Live Premium for Android. In all, I think that ALK improved on an already industry leading UI. The app is quick to load, responsive and full featured. The ability to drag the route in a map view is stunningly good. A great feature that is presently unequaled. Unfortunately, the new version does nothing to improve upon my biggest complaints about the previous version. This includes archaic addresses entry method which simulates the old PND style method of entering a city, then a street, then a house number. Particular poor with CoPilot is the requirement to know the correct road prefix and suffice before it will show you the search results. In other words, you have to know whether 123 Main is 123 N Main St or 123 SE Main Ave. That is archaic and ridiculous that it is still a requirement in a product sold in 2011. When I type 123 Main in a particular city, *IF* there are multiple results, show me the results and let me decide based on a quick map overview. The other big complaint that I have about CoPilot that remains without a change is how ALK handles multipoint routing. If you set a point in the route as a waypoint then CoPilot routes you on a route that is in the direction of the waypoint, all the while showing you the ETA of your final destination. That is great, however, it doesn't route you to your waypoint. It only routes you TOWARDS your waypoint. Once it is convinced you are headed in that direction, it recalculates you towards your next destination. That is a disaster if your midpoint waypoint is a hotel, restaurant, campground or other place that you actually need to drive to. If you set your midpoint location as a stop over, then CoPilot does not show you any statistics (ETA) for your final destination - only for your stop over. They missed the mark on this feature in the previous version and they've missed the mark on this in the update. They remain unable to meet the needs of a traveler that needs to know the ETA of their destination but wants to stop at various locations along the way. When I stop at a restaurant, I want to know how long can I stop here and still get to my destination on time? CoPilot can't tell you that. Really disappointing (again).

I remain skeptical of the routing algorithm and associated settings for road speeds. I stopped using v8 after a trip from Iowa to Florida where CoPilot insisted on routing me on a 4 lane divided highway. The problem? It was smack through the entire town of Birmingham, AL, complete with 35 MPH speed limits and stop lights galore. Outside the city, the divided highway was a great route. I remain unconvinced that CoPilot single treatment of "Divided Highway" in the speed settings adequately accounts for a divided highway inside a city versus a divided highway in the Country.

Finally - the maps. They remain as they were in v8, which is not good. They lag Google Maps and Navteq in every one of my test areas that I always check for a new product. They share similar problems as TeleAtlas in some areas. Map quality seems to be the #1 complaint about CoPilot in both the Android market and Apple App Store. I don't see v9 making any changes to this criticism.

ALK appears to need a geographically lesson as well. From my reading of all printed information, the Premium app includes maps of the United States. It also appears that you can buy Canada for another $4.99. When you go into the app, you can pick map modules to download in you'd like (i.e., Midwest, Northeast, Southwest, etc.). There is a separate module for Canada ($4.99). There is no United States, to download the entire US at once. BUT, there is a North America module. I am downloading North America now without paying $4.99 more for Canada. However, the North America map is listed as 1.3 GB which, if I remember right, is the same size as the US maps for v8. My guess is that ALK has the United States map module mislabeled as North America.

Here is my tweet summary:

Smooth purchase and download process for new @copilotlive_us Premium USA v9. @copilotlive_us Premium USA v9 is 16mb but app2sd is enabled reducing is to 324kb in memory. Nice work!

Bizarre @copilotlive_us Premium screen calibration process wants a real penny on screen & adjusting a circle to fit it. Off to find a penny.

@copilotlive_us v9 setup allows use of Android system TTS voices. Nice. Using @svox that I've previously paid for.

The frustrating licensing unlock process of @copilotlive_us v8 appears gone in v9. Very good.

There is a modular map download process in @copilotlive_us v9. You can pick regions of the US. All of N.A. is 1.3gb. No US only option.

@copilotlive_us v9 add-ins include Gas Prices for $4.99 (1 yr) and traffic ($9.99). Traffic well worth it for @INRIX data.

Don't like that @copilotlive_us v9 #activetraffic starts delay alert at 10 min delay. In small markets @INRIX covers 10 min delay is a lot.

@copilotlive_us v9 includes weather, Wikipedia and Bing search for free.

Sad to say @copilotlive_us v9 makes no improvement in ridiculously rigid address/intersection lookup. Still requires knowing prefix / suffix. Try looking up well known intersection of State & Lake,Chicago, IL in @copilotlive_us v9. Still must know prefix and suffix. Disappointing.

@copilotlive_us v9 address entry still old PND style "city, then street name, then house number." Not close to @googlemaps Mobile usability.

Usual @copilotlive_us map probs still in v9. "LA Grant Pkwy & University, Waukee, IA." Google, Mapquest, Navteq: YES. CoPilot? TomTom? Nope. To find "Waukee South Middle School, 2350 SE LA Grant Pkwy, Waukee, IA" in @copilotlive_us v9. Look up in @googlemaps, type lat/lon into CPL

No sorting capability of favorites in @copilotlive_us v9. Not alphabetical or closet to current location.

Graphical avoid road & detour functions in @copilotlive_us v9 are nice. @googlemaps Mobile has a lot to learn in this regard.

Dragging the route to force road usage in @copilotlive_us v9 is stunningly good. Blows any other Android solution out of the water.

In a @copilotlive_us v9 route, selecting POI or fav recalcs new route to that location. Should ask "new route" or " add to current." Nope.

@copilotlive_us v9 multistep route planning still limited like v8. If interim loc is a stopover, you can't get your final ETA. If @copilotlive_us multipoint routing loc is a waypoint then it doesn't route you precisely to the loc. Routes you towards loc only. @copilotlive_us multistep routing maddening. If traveling from A to C via lunch @ B, I want routed to B and know ETA at C. Can't do it.

@copilotlive_us v9 improves on already best in class UI. Nothing beats it.

@copilotlive_us v9 provides nice destination submenu upon arrival. Social media options, add to fav, stop route, close app. Nice work. Wish @copilotlive_us v9 had option to manually show destination sub menu again. Disappears automatically while driving through parking lot.

@copilotlive_us v9 appears very stable. No FC yet. Very smooth operation on EVO. No hesitations or stutters. Handles 2000+ contact file.

Your route in @copilotlive_us v9 is a green line. Makes it hard to read traffic map which shows free flow traffic as green also.

Hope to see "all traffic delays" as option in @copilotlive_us v9. Des Moines freeways could be gridlocked & still not cause 10 minute delay.

Any dialog box in @copilotlive_us v9 using Android keyboard allows use of Android voice recognition even though no native support in app. @copilotlive_us v9 still needs to support me speaking "Costco, West DES Moines Iowa" into mic and finding it like @googlemaps perfects.

No sign of nice traffic bar on side of @copilotlive_us v9 screen. Nothing until traffic reported? That was nice reminder of traffic working.

When selecting Contact in @copilotlive_us v9, route is auto generated. No way to just add to Fav. Must add fav from route menu then cancel.

Traffic flow color nicely shown on @copilotlive_us v9 3D maps. @googlemaps Navigation should take note.

@copilotlive_us v9 routing suffers from previous problem: can't seem to tell difference between a divided highway in city vs country.

Road sign imagery in @copilotlive_us v9 remains quasi at best. Not accurately showing exact sig text. Just shows road name & direction. Lame

Retract comment about @copilotlive_us v9 taking 324kb after using app2SD. On initial run, app unpacks data. Now listing 12.5 MB in memory.

@copilotlive_us v9 not integrated w/ Android. Click on address in calendar appt, choices: Maps, Telenav, Mapquest, NAVIGON. No CPL option. No @copilotlive_us integration w/ other apps like Yelp. Click on address, no CPL option. Only CPL competitors listed. Hugely disappointing.

Hey @NAVIGON_US check out @copilotlive_us for another app that doesn't require acknowledging a lawyer screen every time you use the app!

@copilotlive_us v9 app startup speed is as fast as @googlemaps Navigation. Nice work. Makes @NAVIGON_US startup wait painful.
 
Thanks very much for the rundown.

According to the Market page (linked in the first post), the $9.99 price tag is good for 7 days.

(IGNORE: However, I see on that same page that the app was "updated" on June 21, 2011, which to me means that the 7 days is almost over!)

Edit: According to their blog page (post dated June 28, 2011), the 7 days starts June 27 and ends July 3.

I subscribe to their blog in Google Reader, and all I've heard about the new version is that it's "coming soon". This thing's been out for almost a week and they can't manage to make an announcement in their own blog? This is no surprise really - they have a potentially great product, but it is severely hampered by major blunders and oversights.

That said, I'm off to download it (after I verify that my beloved OG Droid is supported).

But wait! There's more! Copilot Live Standard USA is available for $2.99 (same 7 day limit)

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.alk.copilot.namarket.usa&feature=more_from_developer

The blog page linked above also details some of the differences between the two versions. Oddly, at the normal prices of $29.99 and $4.99, buying the standard version and the in-app upgrades is cheaper than buying the premium version. They must have stolen their pricing strategy from TomTom (month-to-month pricing was cheaper than annual pricing).
 
I downloaded last night and have to say I am unimpressed. Firstly it lacks the basic ‘route prefs’ feature ‘Quickest’, ‘Shortest’ etc, which is fundamental for any route. Even after altering ‘road prefs’ the suggested routes are ridiculous. Even from one end of my street to the other (as the crow flies) it suggests that I go the opposite way and weave round the back streets. There are options to run alternative routes which adds time recalculating and drag which is fiddly, adds more time (especially if your parked on-route) and should be there to tweak, not to route manually.
I don’t really care about other features if it can’t give me a decent route from A-B its pointless.
On HTC Wildfire screen display has blocky pixelated areas and icons chopped in half also City/Town location display is missing. Also often looses gps fix.
I will have to uninstall and put V8 back on.:mad::mad::mad:
 
I'd encourage you all to fire your comments off to Twitter address @copilotive_us. They are active there and need to hear the feedback.

StratosWRC - short of your quickest/shortest comment, the routing engine and maps are the same between v8 and v9. I see no advantage to going back to v8 unless quickest/shortest is that big of a deal to you.
 
This kind of points out one thing: not every update to a new version means that it is an improvement. I'm yet to test the new version, but I had the same situation with Sygic when they updated from Mobile Maps 10 to Aura: it was like down the hill on basic important features, substituted with eye-candy and social media crap...

Reliable, comfortable and precise navigation from A to B. Make this happen and the rest is optional...
 
I don't agree that v9 is not an improvement. Yes, it removed custom POI files but I don't believe that any significant segment of the user box use that feature anyway. The take rate on Google's MyMaps for example is single digit percentages, thought I use it extensively.

Other than that feature, it seems improved in every way, though it didn't solve preexisting shortcomings.
 
I don't see any reference to or need for CoPilot Central. Thank God.
 
I've been using CPL on WinMo since version 7; I've often had issues with map & software updates, but very few with routing. I picked up a SGS2 about a month ago, and the first thing I did after updating the ROM was to buy & install CPL8, as it's, IMHO, the best nav solution out there. I just switched from WinMo 6.5, on which I've tried CPL8, CPL7, Route 66, and Navigon; the order I listed them indicates my impression of their overall quality & usefulness.

I just returned from a trip to Iowa, and used CPL8 on my SGS2 (my first extended experience with the Android version of CPL). Routing was uniformly flawless; it picked perfect routes, but the Inrix traffic info was basically useless. POI information was pretty accurate; it'd have been nice to have the POIs link to Google to get reviews, link to the establishment's website, etc. If you're listening, ALK, that'd be a good thing to put into CPL9.1.

I just purchased v9 and am downloading the NA maps now; it'll take a while since I'm on a 1.5 Mbps DSL connection.
 
I'm looking at the UK Premium version. I've heard that non of the premium features such as traffic actually come with it and you have to purchase them on-top. Is that correct?

Does anyone know how this compares to Sygic (which is only a little more expensive?)
 
I've got CoPilot Live Premium with the UK maps.

On the "Points of Interest" search, if I click "bing Local Search" and enter "Stamford Bridge". It then shows me a list of places in Stamford Connecticut, 3500 miles away.

The Wikipedia search doesn't work for me. From the main menu, I clicked "Points of Interest", "Wikipedia Search", "Search Nearby", "In a Different City", London and selected the top hit, and entered "Stamford Bridge" as the query. It gave one hit "Stamford Bridge (stadium)". I clicked on that and it showed the Chelsea football ground Wikipedia page. I then clicked "Set Destination" and it gave directions to the middle of the Thames near Erith!

The coordinates on the Wikipedia page are correct (51
 
bspahh said:
I've got CoPilot Live Premium with the UK maps.

On the "Points of Interest" search, if I click "bing Local Search" and enter "Stamford Bridge". It then shows me a list of places in Stamford Connecticut, 3500 miles away...
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I prefer the old V8.0.. 'live search' it found 99% that I searched for.
Bing only delivers 10 nearest results with no 'more results' option.
Copilot Live Q&A here http://getsatisfaction.com/copilotlive/questions/recent
 
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