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SirSlayer
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Did it work?
SirSlayer
Android Expert
nice, I have been working on my wife to take my eris over when the nexus comes out in the cdma version (crosses fingers). She is using my old windows htc diamond.....goto get her hooked!
anderson620
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First wanted to say thanks to the dev team for all the hard work. My Eris hasn't been this much fun since the day I got it.
I'm sure someone has posted this before, so forgive me. I haven't been able to find it. Can someone provide a link to or instructions for running apps from sd?
Also, it seems I heard someone say that overclocking wasn't possible (yet). True?
Thanks everyone!
I'm sure someone has posted this before, so forgive me. I haven't been able to find it. Can someone provide a link to or instructions for running apps from sd?
Also, it seems I heard someone say that overclocking wasn't possible (yet). True?
Thanks everyone!
Our devs are working on this and I currently have a placeholder here
Run Programs From SD Card
So that when this does become a reality I will update that page right away so that way everyone will have the instructions. Thanks.
Yes we are still trying to get the 2.1 leak root as well we basically have 2 sets of dev now. One team working on getting 2.1 leak root and the other is working on custom roms and the such.
gregskeels
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I just hope that it will he easyer to get root to 2.1 then 1.5 all I want to do is overclock the processer. 
Check the HTC Hero forums. THe Hero is almost idenitcal HTC for sprint and has been rooted for many months now. Anyway you won't get a great jump in speed and its a trade off in stability and battery life, more speed equal more battery consumption and less stable .
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uminchu
Android Enthusiast
Just curious, are your comments on speed and trade offs based on personal experience?
Yes personal and business experience from 20+ years of embedded processor development. You don't get something for nothing.
That's why the hardware designers put limits on things. There is always a absolute limit on processor speed based on timing stability and power consumption / heat dissipation. That's why the processor is throttled back during idle, to save battery power, otherwise we would just run it wide open all the time. And as you exceed the spec. limit on clock speed the CPU will start to get unstable at some point and it varies on each individual chip. This is also affected by heat and the overall packages ability to dissipate heat. As you can tell, the phones don’t have built in fans, so there is a limiting factor there too. As the CPU approaches it's temperature limits, things go unstable too. That's why the engineering spec. will have a little conservative allowance to provide for a safe performance variability i.e one batch of chips may perform at a 5% higher clock rate than the next 1000 batches. So you can safely push the clock up a little but at some point not too far above what HTC set it at, bad things will happen, unexplained OS crashes, poor battery life, etc.
That's why the hardware designers put limits on things. There is always a absolute limit on processor speed based on timing stability and power consumption / heat dissipation. That's why the processor is throttled back during idle, to save battery power, otherwise we would just run it wide open all the time. And as you exceed the spec. limit on clock speed the CPU will start to get unstable at some point and it varies on each individual chip. This is also affected by heat and the overall packages ability to dissipate heat. As you can tell, the phones don’t have built in fans, so there is a limiting factor there too. As the CPU approaches it's temperature limits, things go unstable too. That's why the engineering spec. will have a little conservative allowance to provide for a safe performance variability i.e one batch of chips may perform at a 5% higher clock rate than the next 1000 batches. So you can safely push the clock up a little but at some point not too far above what HTC set it at, bad things will happen, unexplained OS crashes, poor battery life, etc.
uminchu
Android Enthusiast
lol... he did answer all of your questions... just because he didnt explicitly say here is the answer to your question, doesnt mean he didnt give you everything you need to figure it out.
in his 20 years of experience... he says he has not seen much improvement with ANY device that is overclocked... so... as the eris is A device... there will probably be a slight, but not extreme difference.
and as always, overclocking = more battery usage... so, when you overclock ANY device, the battery will not last as long.
in his 20 years of experience... he says he has not seen much improvement with ANY device that is overclocked... so... as the eris is A device... there will probably be a slight, but not extreme difference.
and as always, overclocking = more battery usage... so, when you overclock ANY device, the battery will not last as long.
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I'm sorry that is not correct. The correct answer has to be in the form of a question. Would you like to try a daily double?
uminchu
Android Enthusiast
With respect, I disagree. This individual you reference makes statements in this and another thread about modest at best performance gains and battery life trade offs encountered from rooting and flashing a Sprint Hero. He mentions that his wife has a Hero, and he mentions the Hero forums. Neither he nor I ever mentioned overclocking or CPU design standards until that post. I've asked him repeatedly whether his statements are based on personal experience with rooting and modding a Hero, observing the results, and drawing and relaying his conclusions. He has yet to answer that question, and in his last post, chose to deliver an off topic essay instead. I understand what overclocking is. The question remains, has he rooted and flashed a Hero, and does he speak of directly observed results.
Hey dude, get a grip. It's not magic it's physics, its not a religion it's engineering. If you choose to believe that the manufactures are a lying bunch of thieves building gee whiz rocket ships and then shafting you by crippling them with bogus software, well you go right ahead, but yea verily I tell you this, if your phone is getting warm, it's using battery power (unless you are on the charger). For my part, I prefer to depend on logic and good engineering practice and the fact that if I am trying to build market share and profits I don't make bad business or technical decision. Check out some of the existing overclock apps for rooted phones and you will find that you can adjust the top end a little but for the most part the main thing you can tweak is the balance between time spent at low speed and max speed time with the trade off being battery life. Some processors might allow you to get a 20% boost for instance at the top end of their reliable performance. That sounds great .... right?? Except you eat battery and for a lot of applications, its not really CPU spead that slows you down but waiting on data to move internally in the device. That's why raw CPU speed is not a reliable measure of system performance. CPU archetecture has a major impact. For instance all the Snapdragon processors contain circuitry to decode High-Definition video at 720p resolution. That makes a huge difference in performance for that specific application that you cannot account for with main CPU speed. Of course the other trade offs for speed are size , weight and cost in addition to power and heat. Over time (about ever 12 months) chip makers find a way to make transistors smaller and pack more power into smaller cheaper packages. That's why hardware capabilites always leap ahead of software to support them. Wow , do you realize android is built on an OS plateform that's over 40 years old??? The Unix operating system was conceived and implemented in 1969. Just a thought....
uminchu
Android Enthusiast
My friend, I have a grip. Perhaps you've confused me with someone else. I've never called anyone a thief, or made any statements about overclocking, or my phone getting hot. I did say that my Hero had a lot of bloat on it out of the box, and that I enjoyed modding my phone to perform better and customized to my liking. All I asked of you is whether you've rooted and/or modded a Hero yourself, and observed the results. And still you choose not to answer, and deliver yet another unrelated, off-topic essay. With no disrespect to your education or career, maybe if you tried it yourself, and observed the performance and battery life for yourself, without overclocking, then your statements about the results would carry more weight. Until then, you're just speculating, or cherry picking other peoples posts and regurgitating. Have a good one.
uminchu
Android Enthusiast
I meant you no insult, but I do confess frustration at your continued refusal to answer a direct question with a direct answer, and instead drag the topic off to previously undiscussed tangents. And I do have results for my own phone. Both Fresh 1.1 with Gumbo kernel 0.31, and Pancake 0.1, which I believe incorporates the same Gumbo kernel, both deliver a clearly, noticeably, faster, smoother, much more responsive device (and I don't have an overclock app on my phone). There is no need to measure, the difference is obvious, whether scrolling pages, navigating menus, opening apps, rendering web pages, phone use, you name it. Contrary to your claims of a trade off in battery life, my battery life improved. That's why I keep asking you if you have rooted and flashed the phone. Because your statements, offered as fact, simply do not match my hands on experience.
The current crop of 2.1 ROMs do take a slight battery life hit, but still run much faster and smoother than a stock 1.5 ROM. The only time my phone heats up is after extended use, or deep inside my workplace where I get reduced reception, and it has to search for signal.
I mean you no ill will. Your statements simply do not match my own real world experience. So I ask you again: have you tried it yourself or not?
hey all. new to android. im a droid eris user and lovin it. I ran across messageboard a couple weeks ago and joined today. ive been doin alot of reading and inquiring about rooting droid eris and im conviced that i wanna do this. only problem is that i have a mac and most of the dialogue concerning installing latest roms are geared to pc users. i dont have pc. Am I, S.O.L??? Iam also having trouble with getting the rooted 2.1 image onto my root folder with astro. it notifies me that its a read only folder so i cant copy/paste it to folder. and i have no software on my imac to sync and explore data on my device on my computer except for double twist and that don do jack for me. im stuck in a dead end in this whole android rooting maze. can toss me a bone please? Im sure theres a way. thanks.
hey all. new to android. im a droid eris user and lovin it. I ran across messageboard a couple weeks ago and joined today. ive been doin alot of reading and inquiring about rooting droid eris and im conviced that i wanna do this. only problem is that i have a mac and most of the dialogue concerning installing latest roms are geared to pc users. i dont have pc. Am I, S.O.L??? Iam also having trouble with getting the rooted 2.1 image onto my root folder with astro. it notifies me that its a read only folder so i cant copy/paste it to folder. and i have no software on my imac to sync and explore data on my device on my computer except for double twist and that don do jack for me. im stuck in a dead end in this whole android rooting maze. can toss me a bone please? Im sure theres a way. thanks.
Nope you are fine on a mac better terminal, linux and mac is great for all this!
The practical limits on the Hero are about 128 to 250 MHz for low power (idle) and 528 MHz for high power. You can achieve better battery life by setting the low limit low and using the on the demand option rather than top performance. Most cooked ROMs achieve better performance than stock by removing unwanted apps, having less apps starting at boot up and resizing the memory partitions to free up memory. That helps a lot until you have so many apps running that the memory swapping starts. That's what really bogs down the phone. Which custom ROM works best often depends on what mix of apps you like to use on a regular basis.
Sorry I have no intention of running science experiments. There are mounds of literature and forums that back what I said. If you have found different results on your Eris or Hero, then post it and you will be welcomed heartily by all of us enthusiast.
Sorry I have no intention of running science experiments. There are mounds of literature and forums that back what I said. If you have found different results on your Eris or Hero, then post it and you will be welcomed heartily by all of us enthusiast.
hey all. new to android. im a droid eris user and lovin it. I ran across messageboard a couple weeks ago and joined today. ive been doin alot of reading and inquiring about rooting droid eris and im conviced that i wanna do this. only problem is that i have a mac and most of the dialogue concerning installing latest roms are geared to pc users. i dont have pc. Am I, S.O.L??? Iam also having trouble with getting the rooted 2.1 image onto my root folder with astro. it notifies me that its a read only folder so i cant copy/paste it to folder. and i have no software on my imac to sync and explore data on my device on my computer except for double twist and that don do jack for me. im stuck in a dead end in this whole android rooting maze. can toss me a bone please? Im sure theres a way. thanks.
hi iflip,
I don't use macs so I'm not sure how much help I will be, but a couple of things until someone with more knowledge can reply to your post.
1. As for putting the image into the root folder, I think you MAY be confused. The "root" folder is referring to the top level of your SD card. You simply open up the folder of the SD card and put it there. I think you may be looking into the filesystem on your phone that contains a different root folder. This is not the correct folder.
2. If you plug your phone into your computer, you should be able to choose to mount your phone as a disk (from the phone). After you select this option, you should find that your phone shows up as a filesystem on your computer. When you open that folder, that is the root of your SD card. That is where you want to put the image.
Don't know how much this helps or how accurate it is pertaining to Macs, but hopefully it helps to some extent. Good luck.
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