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Differences between Apple and HTC/ Motorola/ Nokia etc.

Who has the best model for production?

  • Apple (about once a year)

    Votes: 5 21.7%
  • Most others (loads of products per year)

    Votes: 18 78.3%

  • Total voters
    23

adi19956

Android Expert
So I was just wondering what people think are the differences, advantages and disadvantages of an Apple model rather than a regular model of production. Not software, but hardware as in, Apple does one product about every year for their iPhones, iPads and iPods and the other manufacturers do loads.
I suppose Apple have their model to stop fragmentation and to put all their money into R & D for the next product whereas others I suppose don't have that but can keep their products more up to date...
hmmm thoughts?
 
i prefer the mulptipl models a year approach, sure I may not be getting all of them but at least I can get whats most current if its half way through the year with out having to wait too long or buying outdated tech.
 
but Apple can still out-do specs even 6 months after their last release (except the iPad 2 of course)
 
apple has 1 product per category .. one size fits all ...what jobs says you really need.. and to hold your phone this way; with this hand; in this position....

I dont know... I think if you pick 10 random people of the street.. we would all be very different and have different needs.. concerns.. and ideas.

what I want.. is not necessary what you want..and we both can find a phone that better meets our personalities.
 
yeah seems like apple makes "cool" and "trendy" gadgets, except they all their products are not very diverse. an iphone has so many limitations, even if it's jailbroken.

i don't like apple's business model either. they basically get you in the room, lock the door, and say "we've got you cornered. now deal with it." i like google because they're more about the free market. apple is more about sucking your money dry, and the product isn't even that great (as far as i am concerned).
 
Apple controls the horizontal. Apple controls the vertical. Some people like that controlled atmosphere. I prefer user adjustable interface. But that's just me. That's why Apple and all others are in the market place... to satisfy the diversity of man's desires.
As for frequency of released products.... it's a matter of marketing. Apple appeals to people that enjoy being locked into that controlled product and thus they aren't constantly wanting something different/better. Once a year or so works for their niche of consumers. The other such as HTC are constantly updating products and softwares to satisfy their users who are always longing for a progressive change.
 
And that's why Apple ends up being in the niche every single time.
They care more about their profit margin than their users.

Not adding that SD card slot saves them a buck a unit.
Same with that USB jack... oh no can't have that!

They have to save those 'innovations' for the next model, where it will be considered magical. :rolleyes:

Apple used to be a brand that you could rely on, count on it to be superior.
They were also open products.... not anymore.
All about that profit margin and their super-inflated stock that pays no dividends :eek:
 
I have to admit the anticipation of what Apple is going to release next on their once a year business model creates a LOT of hype. With that being said I feel as though they're almost always lagging behind on the hardware and I love my phone to be the fastest it can be. This sets android apart because they're phones are constantly being updated with the best new software. Hell yeah they make trendy cool phones, I'm tempted to pick one up every time I see it but other than having it around as a toy it does not function as the ONE device to carry around with me.
 
I think Nokia made some pretty sturdy phones. I also like the file system although that's not hardware. At least anything to do with any kind of connection and personalization is has its own menu. And they were all under "Tools"

Sony, I wouldn't trust with hardware. They have been too paranoid about DRM, and now that ridiculous lawsuit about Sony having the right to say how you use your product.

Motorola - have had some good phones in the past, but software would kill them for me now. The RAZR and RIZR were pretty decent and lasted.

Apple - I found out years ago that a Mac computer wasn't foolproof, so I take the advertising with a grain of salt. Except for one app - I don't want an Iphone. If anyone else does, that's fine with me.

Samsung - the Galaxies were the first Samsungs I've had. So far so good. The Galaxy 4G is very easy to deal with. The screen is nice for those that use reading glasses.(Which is why I bought it.) The wifi works. The camera works. The Galaxy 3 was just a little too hard to read at times. The one real complaint I have is software. And it's the file system. Having to look in 3 or 4 different places for settings ----. I had a friend with a Samsung on Sprint, and it was always dropping calls. She got the EVO and it has been much better. Actually, we have both the Behold 1 and 2. Those belonged to my daughter. She likes the 2 but seems to like my C6. I gave it to her as Skype works well on S60V5.
 
I personally like the way Apple does 1 year cycles, because say if I have an iPhone 4 right now (I don't), I know I have the best iPhone (most current) there is at the moment. With Android, I could buy a Droid and the Nexus One will be out in 2 months. Now obviously this logic doesn't work for everyone because Apple goes for more of a one size fits all approach whereas there are a lot more choices for Android, I guess I'd just like to feel like I know a newer/better/faster phone isn't coming out in 2 weeks.
 
I personally like the way Apple does 1 year cycles, because say if I have an iPhone 4 right now (I don't), I know I have the best iPhone (most current) there is at the moment. With Android, I could buy a Droid and the Nexus One will be out in 2 months. Now obviously this logic doesn't work for everyone because Apple goes for more of a one size fits all approach whereas there are a lot more choices for Android, I guess I'd just like to feel like I know a newer/better/faster phone isn't coming out in 2 weeks.

good point, it is a little depressing and we all like to be the best :P
 
With Apple products, you don't have to compare different models to see which one you want to upgrade to. There is only one. The advantage of other manufacturers is that you can compare models to find the one that best suits your needs. Your needs may change over time, so you may want something slightly different than your previous phone.
 
Each model has its advantages and disadvantages naturally. The advantage to Apples model is that instead of spending tons of R&D on many devices, they spend it on just one. Apple customers don't have to spend any time at all debating which model suits them best. And of course it creates, all on its own, that sense of anticipation and excitement as to what it will look like, and what features it will have.

Hell I'm not ashamed to admit that even though I have no plans on ever getting an iPhone, I'm still excited to see what the iPhone 5 has in store for us! And I can guarantee that 95% of Androidians (who frequent these sites) will check out the i5 online the 1st day it hits the internet. You gotta hand it to them. Love em or hate em, they do create a lot of hype.

Android doesn't really have a business model because there are several OEMs creating many different devices. But when you look at those OEMs separately, they don't operate as differently as it seems from the outside. Within a certain model, say the Motorola Droid for example, it has a similar cycle. The Droid 2 came out about a year after the Droid 1. The (rumored) Droid X 2 is supposed to come out this summer, 1 year after the original DX. The biggest difference then is that they build several models instead of just one.

That's great for folks who want something different. Or for those who want a physical keyboard, a bigger/smaller screen or perhaps a different color. Personally I like the different choices. But the 1 advantage iPhone users have that I envy is the level of support they have. My DX was released last July. Its 'End of Life' (when Moto will stop supporting it)is coming at the end of this month, less than a year later. Apple supports their devices for two years, correct? That is one advantage of being with a company that focuses on just one device.

Another would be that if you have a problem with your iPhone or a question about it, you can ask just about any other iPhone user since they are all the same. I have had friends ask me how to do this and that with their phone, and I had difficulty helping them because their Android was so much different from mine. That can be rather challenging.

Neither is the perfect model, but neither is very bad either. Together they fill the needs of almost 2/3rds of the smartphone market. That's pretty remarkable considering 6 years ago neither of them existed!
 
Nokia --- Used to be the best, but for a few years now, they have lost it. The competition has simply managed to match their best attributes --- RF quality, voice quality, sturdiness, reliability. Its not just the OS that's lagging, but their entire electronics --- outdated processors, small RAMs. Worst yet, when it comes to basic quality, they have slagged badly off compared to their products mid decade. They still make a few good products here and then, like the E7, C7 and N8, but nothing like their heyday at the time of the N95 and the E71, which I regard as their twin climax of their engineering.

Apple --- When it comes to hardware, they are just overrated. There is nothing in their products when it comes to battery life, sturdiness, RF quality, voice quality, that rises above the mediocre. They got a great display, a great touchscreen and a great OS which greatly eclipses the mediocre hardware design. Any phone that you have to protect with a case is really something you shouldn't buy.

Motorola --- Give these guys a break. They're the only ones among handset makers that supplies products to the US Military. They know something about reliability, quality control and most of all, radio engineering. I do think that somehow, despite their engineers, they suffer from a GMesque kind of management. They need focus and consistency, and approach their lineup like Honda or Toyota --- an approach that has worked very well with HTC.

Samsung --- They are the real monsters in the block. Compared to other companies, they are a real conglomerate. You know like those big evil corporations that seem to control much of the world in a Japanese anime cyberpunk series. They got manufacturing technology that is out of this world, one that easily puts Nokia and Motorola to shame. After all, no handset makers puts out LCD screens, their chips, except another megaconglomerate. Because of this, they are destined to kick out Nokia from the top spot sooner or later, whether its smartphone or featurephone or both. They currently has 24% of the US market --- nearly one out of four handsets sold in the US is a Samsung. Apple only has 7%. And Samsung supplies Apple with chips too.

LG --- the other megaconglomerate, but kind of like Avis to Samsung's Hertz. They make good stuff really, but somehow cannot live past Samsung's shadow. You can say its like Burger King to McDonald's. So they're trying, and trying, really hard. They make good all around equipment, but the problem is they lack enough pizzaz to make them stand out. So they're trying really hard with their latest smartphones. Even with Samsung on the lead, I believe LG is destined to be number two worldwide in global sales, kicking out even Nokia after Samsung pushes Nokia out from first. You know their level of technical and manufacturing expertise when it is Apple that sources their IPS Retina screens from them.

HTC --- a dwarf compared to the rest. But for years, they embarrassed Samsung by taking fourth place in the Smartphone race. Until recently. Among companies, they are one to be feared by Apple. They combine a flair in both physical hardware design and in software, something that LG, Samsung, and Motorola could not match. These guys deserve an entire OS on their own, but they just lack the resources for such, so taking Android and customizing it is their best approach. WP7 is a waste of time for these guys, because the strictness of the WP7 ecosystem prohibits them from expressing their sheer creativity. They got many useful ideas when it comes to UI design, one that continuously surprise me, and I bet even Google. I like these guys because they got a true startup feel, with the aggressiveness and leanness of a PC maker, with the true design sensibilities of mobile handset maker.
 
haha Outlaw, you do like your essays :P which way did you vote when it came to it?

Isn't that sort of like... if you tell what you wished for it won't come true?



Lol, I voted for Android because I myself like a variety to choose from, and I abhor being like everyone else on my block. I always strive to stand out from the rest and be different.

I know what you're thinking... "but you bought the DX, one of the most popular smartphones of the year last year". True, but in my defense I bought it at launch, and I truly did not think the masses would flock to it because it had such a large screen. I didn't figure a whole lot of people would be comfortable with a phone that big.

That feeling was a carry-over from my days with my Blackberry 7200 series. Everyone used to dog me over how big my phone was. But that was back when everyone had a flip phone, and flip phones were getting smaller, and smaller, and smaller. So I guess I should have known that the times were a changin'.

But I must say, now that I've owned a device that is this popular, it'll be hard to choose an obscure phone as it's replacement. Because the DX forum here is incredible!!! I got sooo much help from that community. And it really showed me what having a large support base can do for a smartphone user like myself.

Ok, time to cut this essay short! ;)










... ooops, too late! :o
 
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