A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
Rush has denied, on the air, that his show uses the Premiere On Call service. Just saying. Premiere On Call has also denied this.
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Domestic Propaganda
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Bob Maxey
Android Expert
I believe him. I do listen and I have been a fan since before his TV show. Rest assured, if it could be proven that he uses paid actors, the web, John Stewart and the rest would roast him alive.
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
No, PRN has not, it just kicks the blame to those that use the service.
"Clear Channel, through its subsidiary, Premiere Radio Networks, auditions and hires actors to call in to talk radio shows and pose as listeners in order to provide shows, carried by Clear Channel and other broadcasters, with planned content in the form of stories and opinions. The custom caller service provided by Premiere Radio assures its clients they won't hear the same actor's voice for at least two months in order to appear authentic to listeners who might otherwise catch on.[53]"
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
First of all, whether Limbaugh is a serial liar or not is completely irrelevant. Nice red herring though. Just because someone has lied in the past doesn't mean they are lying now. Limbaugh denied, on the air, using the service. If you have proof that he is lying about this, please present it. He's denied it. I've seen no proof that he's not being truthful here. I'm not a fan of the guy at all, but I'm reluctant to label a guy a liar when there's no proof at all.
And yes, Premiere Radio has denied the usage of Premiere On Call on Rush, Hannity, Beck or any other talk show - "The service is not utilized by News/Talk programs or stations."
Radio Ink Magazine
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
LOL, yes, lets always believe the serial liar, who lies on the air.
Bain Capital (Romney's company) which owns Clear Channel (Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc employer) which owns Premiere Radio Network which owns Premiere On Call that hires these actors to call radio shows that are not utilized per the claims of serial liars.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
Again, irrelevant. Just because the guy lied in the past doesn't mean he's lying down. Limbaugh denies it. Premiere Radio denies it. Since there is no evidence that it's happening I'm inclined to believe them. I've got no reason to not believe them.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
Not true. Again. Some people post links to their proof and if they bothered to read the crap at the end of the link they would see it is not proof. Please, if Limbaugh knew about this, others would know and it would be huge news the liberal left would throw at us for days.
Nary a word about RL using or even knowing about paid callers. xEcept for what are termed Seminar Callers. A differnt thing entirely
So please, if you have proof that a logical man can trust, post otherwise, please stop saying things you cannot prove.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
I am as well.
Will you agree that if it could be actually proven that RL and the rest condoned or knew about paid callers, the left would use the proof to try to hurt Limbaugh and the rest? It would blow up and be a big story.
It is interesting to read the links a few here have posted. When you actually read the links and follow the links their links link to, it is still not clear RL use them. I am convinced he DOES NOT.
The article titles suggest that he does, but when you read the articles--often the same article copied and pasted to countless other web sites--it is clear that they are not saying, specifically, that RL has paid callers. Just innuendo and suggestions sans any proof.
I wish people that call Limbaugh a liar would post links to the proof. Some post inks to other AF posts and buried in those posts are links to bad information.
I like original source data. I would also like credible information not Wikepedia pages.
You can visit RL's web site and look at the transcript. You can read what he said in his own words. It is an extremely rare thing to catch him lying. Sometimes he jokes and sometimes he quotes other liars and people call RL a liar for simply repeating what some idiot said. If RL makes a mistake, the liberal press calls it a lie and someone then blows it up and posts it as proof he is a big fat liar.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
I'm not convinced he doesn't myself. I'm just saying he denies it and there's no evidence at all that it's happening. I'm left with no other option except to believe him. I've got no evidence otherwise.
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
Yep, guess why Clear Channel have the actors sign Confidentially Agreements, but hasn't released them from agreement is clear proof they have nothing to hide.
OpEdNews - Article: Limbaugh/Hannity Parent Company Admits Hiring Actors to Call Radio Shows
"Confidentially agreement: By requesting an audition you are also agreeing to keep the details of the audition and the type of work that you may perform confidential. This applies to information acquired while working for Premiere or any of its affiliates. Disclosure to any third party, sharing project information or publicizing what you do (including via social media) may be considered grounds for dismissal or further action."
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
As I've posted enough links for a logical "man", this proves a point concerning your views on reality and logic.
Suggest you don't rely on lobbyist front groups as a source. http://androidforums.com/politics-c...in-being-used-political-tool.html#post4957997
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
He is a bullshitter. That is what he is. Bullshitters bullshit. Do you know any? You'll notice how they blend fact and fiction and halftruth without even batting an eyelid.
Now, I would imagine Premier Radio would deny it, but then again... I actually don't really have an opinion regarding if he has or hasn't.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
You haven't made any sort of logical argument though. I'm sorry, but I'm a big fan of good logic and you just haven't put any together here. This is what you've got.
Premiere OnCall hires voice actors.
Premiere Radio owns the Rush Limbaugh show.
Conclusion - the callers on the Rush Limbaugh show are actors (or at least some of them are)
I'm sorry, but that logic just doesn't make any sense. You haven't tied any of that together. Look at the following.
Acme company makes widgets
Joe works at the Acme company
Conclusion - All the widgets that Joe personally owns were stolen from the Acme company
Again, the logic is flawed as the one does not imply the other. It is entirely plausible that all of Rush's callers are not actors just as it is entirely plausible that Joe has purchased all the widgets he owns and not stolen them from his workplace.
What evidence do you have that some or all of Rush's callers are actors? You have Limbaugh denying it so therefore you think it's true. Please try presenting a case like that to a judge. "Well your Honor, we know this guy is a liar. He denies robbing the bank. Therefore he did it. Please give him 20 years in the pokey." I'm sorry, but that' just not gonna fly. Your logic is so fatally flawed here. I wouldn't doubt for a second that Limbaugh uses actors, but there is no proof at all to back it up.
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
Why does OnCall hire actors ? To call radio talk shows
What does PRN own & operate ? Radio Talk shows
What does Limbaugh do ? Radio Talk show host
Who does Limbaugh work for ? PRN
Has Limbaugh been caught lying on the air ? Yes
Conclusion: PRN via its subsidiary OnCall use actors (who sign Confidentially Agreements) to call Radio Talk shows, such as the one Limbaugh hosts. Limbaugh denies knowledge. PRN denies knowledge. So why does PRN hire actors to call Radio Talk shows, who PRN claims don't call Radio Talk shows ? One or more entities is lying.
Here are some links that may help you follow along.
http://androidforums.com/politics-current-affairs/552909-domestic-propaganda.html#post4959259
http://androidforums.com/politics-current-affairs/552909-domestic-propaganda.html#post4960355
Edit: Under court of law those Confidentially Agreements are moot.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
OnCall says they hire actors for voice over work. Given that they're a radio company, that sounds reasonable. Premiere has flat out denied using the Premiere OnCall with any of their news/talk shows. You are calling them liars but have no evidence at all. I'm sorry, but that would never hold up in court. Your logic is flawed.
Even in the above example you give, the flaws are obvious. Let's assume for the sake of argument that Limbaugh is a liar. That doesn't mean that he has actors call his show. He could be a liar and still be telling the truth this particular time. There is no evidence to contradict his story. The null hypothesis here is that Limbaugh and Premiere OnCall are telling the truth. There's no evidence to contradict that.
Even in the above example you give, the flaws are obvious. Let's assume for the sake of argument that Limbaugh is a liar. That doesn't mean that he has actors call his show. He could be a liar and still be telling the truth this particular time. There is no evidence to contradict his story. The null hypothesis here is that Limbaugh and Premiere OnCall are telling the truth. There's no evidence to contradict that.
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
OnCall paid actors to deceive. Never said Limbaugh hired the actors. Remember this thread is titled Domestic Propaganda and having fake callers is a tactic used by at least one company.
You may choose to believe the denials of Romney affiliated entities, I do not. http://androidforums.com/politics-current-affairs/552909-domestic-propaganda.html#post4962604
Radio Daze - by Liel Leibovitz - Tablet Magazine – Jewish News and Politics, Jewish Arts and Culture, Jewish Life and Religion
You may choose to believe the denials of Romney affiliated entities, I do not. http://androidforums.com/politics-current-affairs/552909-domestic-propaganda.html#post4962604
Radio Daze - by Liel Leibovitz - Tablet Magazine – Jewish News and Politics, Jewish Arts and Culture, Jewish Life and Religion
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
Follow the money. OnCall doesn't offer this service as a charity.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
They are a radio business who offers voice talent. That's their story. Why is that unbelievable?
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
It's not unbelievable that actors are hired to act as guest callers with a written script as described by one actor who had ethics.
Rich Hollman: Radio 'Story': When Guest Callers Are Really Just Acting
"At no point was I truly surprised that such a service exists. Deception in American media has a long and varied history. I was surprised, however, that such a clear orchestration of deception was so visible yet had seemingly gone unnoticed. Premiere's own website, until recently, openly described the service."
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
Agreed. It's not unbelievable at all. That doesn't mean you've proved it's happening though.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
And I really don't think he could, even if its true or not. Its a moot argument, this "personality" is a horrible, bad person anyway.
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
Double negative, so it's believable. This is not a court of law. We have actors saying it does happen. We have OnCall, which PRN owns and employe's Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc advertising for actors to be "guest" callers to "deliver your scripts". Just be aware when you listen to talk shows of this possibility.
I conjecture "guest" callers makes the show more entertaining by bringing professional talent, rather than an unprepared tongue tied caller steamed up about something. A clue its happening is when the host just happens to have a "clip" already to go on the subject matter.
More entertaining, better rating, better advertising revenue. Follow the money.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
We have anonymous actors saying it happened. We have OnCall denying it ever happened and we have Limbaugh saying it never happened. The only evidence we have that it happened is one or two anonymous actors none of whom actually claim that they called in to Limbaugh's show. So no, we don't have any proof that it happened.
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
The author of the article Radio 'Story' is Rich Hollman, an actor. What part of confidentiality agreement is not clear.
Why hasn't PRN released actors from this agreement to settle the issue ?
Why did OnCall advertize for fake guest as previously posted, but pulled it from their website when the story broke ?
The denial of those folks with money at stake is understandable, but not believable.
There is evidence (proof) sufficient to establish this practice occurs.
You have mischaracterized this practice as "voice over", while OnCall stated "We supply voice talent to take/make your on-air calls, improvise your scenes or deliver your scripts".
You say there's no proof when there is a written confession.