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Easy tether and PdaNet question for connecting to xbox live

OMJ said:
xbox live does a lot more than simply play games. You can download games and add ons to games and stream netflix. Lots of games also have required updates before you can even play them online which can be up to 500mb. I also think your 15mb per hour is a pretty low estimation
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If your going to start downloading games over XBL, with dog slow cellular internet, your absolutely mad. And I don't think game updates can be 500 MB. That's almost ridiculous, considering they are only patches. And Xbox's without hard drives wouldn't be able to even download them. Expansions being 500 MB, yes I could see. 15 MB per hour might be pretty low, your right. I forgot to factor in that there is voice as well. But if you used it strictly for games, and possibly turned off voice, it should not go over 100 MB in an hour. 50 MB might be pushing it. I've played 16 player games of Halo 3, and according to the bandwidth monitor on my router, it barely goes above 100 kb/s (and yes, that's with a lowercase b), and sometimes peaks at 200 kb/s, like at the start of a game. Online games are not as bandwidth intensive as one might think. They rely on consistency and timing in packets, rather than bandwidth.

I actually do want to see how well Xbox Live performs over an cellular internet connection. I have to wait for my Xbox in the mail (figures it breaks when I WANT to test this). Its no means practical, you would have to tether your phone to a PC, and then set up ICS. But it should work in theory.
 
I've already said I don't think the OP should do this, but I will add more. Even if you could get it to work, the high latency (ping) and likely high packet loss will make games such as first person shooters very difficult to play.
 
Jesus people,

XBOX live only uses 10Mb per hour....That's 5 minutes on youtube....

If you seriously think that xbox live is going to "ruin" our internet plans that's rediculous. Pandora radio uses more data than this!

To the OP: Let me find the write up I did on this a while back, it's simple.

For the MTU problem....One of the things I have found is to boot everything in order! Especially with Windows XP.
Get the laptop up and running with pdanet. Verify that the connection is good by going to google. make sure the connection is shared with the lan port. plug in the xbox ethernet cable, then turn the xbox on. This order will ensure that the laptop creates the IP address info for the xbox. Windows XP was picky.

I play when I'm stuck at work for 24 hour shifts. Game play in MW2 is great on free for all. Sometimes it lags for a second and then you are back playing fine. We have a lot better ping than I-phone AT&T people. My friends I-phone can't handle xbox live.
 
Here's the little write up:


I recommend using an ethernet cable and not trying to use wireless to connect the computer to the xbox.

***********Here is a step by step on setting up your tethered laptop to connect to xboxlive***********
First get PDANET up and running on your laptop.
Go into the network connections on the laptop. On Vista and Windows 7 this is not the "network and sharing center" screen. Search for "network connections" in the start menu search.
You will see your PDANET modem as having a connection.
Right click on PDANET modem and select properties.
Click the "Sharing" Tab. (Windows XP users will not have a sharing tab, you will need to go to Advanced Settings, or something of that sort, I forget off hand. But you will find the same sharing boxes.)
Select the box next to "Allow other network users to connect through this computers Internet Connection." You may also have to click a drop down menu and select which port you want to share with, being either the wifi or lan port. Select "local area network." This will allow the PDANET connection to be shared through your ethernet plug.
Now that the laptop is setup and ready to go, connect an ethernet cord from your laptop to your XBOX360.
Now go ahead and fire up the XBOX and let it aquire the new network settings. Remember it's running through 3G so it's going to take a slight bit longer than when your home on your 20gig cable internet.

Have fun, and if you are going to be playing Modern Warefare 2 tethered, don't play anything but Free For All, Team Deathmatch 12 people and it gets really laggy. Free For All isn't as bad with 8 people. Oh and have fun cursing when someone texts or calls you haha.
 
Arcolog2 said:
Jesus people,

XBOX live only uses 10Mb per hour....That's 5 minutes on youtube....

If you seriously think that xbox live is going to "ruin" our internet plans that's rediculous. Pandora radio uses more data than this!

To the OP: Let me find the write up I did on this a while back, it's simple.

For the MTU problem....One of the things I have found is to boot everything in order! Especially with Windows XP.
Get the laptop up and running with pdanet. Verify that the connection is good by going to google. make sure the connection is shared with the lan port. plug in the xbox ethernet cable, then turn the xbox on. This order will ensure that the laptop creates the IP address info for the xbox. Windows XP was picky.

I play when I'm stuck at work for 24 hour shifts. Game play in MW2 is great on free for all. Sometimes it lags for a second and then you are back playing fine. We have a lot better ping than I-phone AT&T people. My friends I-phone can't handle xbox live.
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I think Kratos, Nstallion and that other guy were just owned by this post. you all seemed very certain that this was the end of unlimited data plans by verizon "because of tethering" come on please. the reason any phone company would do that is so they can cap your data and charge you overage fees "in case" you do go over, this is a fear and intimidation technique used by all companies. otherwise known as the hook, line and sinker. they reel you in with promises of freedom and unlimited data, then they hook you up and get you addicted to the services, then promise other amazing things, then sink your hopes for any sort of kept promise.

if they were to do this it isn't because of low data tethering, or even downloading torrents, they do it because they can, and they will. I have downloaded all the seasons of "lost" and that is about 2 weeks straight of watching and I did not get my account closed, I didn't get a warning, nothing. I continue to do this all the time, so far nothing has happened, I think you are all being a little paranoid. if they had problems with tethering and people using it:

A. they wouldn't be allowed to use tethering programs in the first place.
B. they wouldn't be offering tethering services in future and past phones programming or data services.

so can someone please explain to me how tethering will "be the end of unlimited data?" or are you all just trying to point a finger because you are scared to tether the way other people do because you don't want to get your phone shut off? and you also want to point a finger because you know the Data caps are coming and instead of standing up and demanding that your Phone service provider keep their promise, you blame someone else and something else for the problem?
 
JetXVII said:
if they had problems with tethering and people using it:

A. they wouldn't be allowed to use tethering programs in the first place.
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Apparently you haven't ever read your contract since:

A: It EXPLICITLY says this is a violation of terms
B: They do not allow the use of tethering programs, see rule A
C: to run most tethering programs (not all), you have to root your phone
 
bemenaker said:
Apparently you haven't ever read your contract since:

A: It EXPLICITLY says this is a violation of terms
B: They do not allow the use of tethering programs, see rule A
C: to run most tethering programs (not all), you have to root your phone
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A: I have a droid, that has applications for tethering.
B: why would they be offering services for tethering on the palm pre for free and for multiple consoles and platforms? why would they "NOW" release a tethering service for an extra 20 dollars? that isn't apart of the unlimited data plan unless they were planning on doing this in the first place? ( not because of 'abusing tethering users')
c: No you don't have to root your phone, maybe the reason you think tethering is not allowed by your contract is because you are doing it through a rooted phone which is against you contract.
 
No, my phone is not rooted. The early apps for tethering required it. The later ones didn't. Go read your contract, it is not allowed on these phones. The fact that they allowed it on the Pre means nothing. That's not your contract.

The fact that they are now doing a tethering addon for $20 even furthers my point.
 
bemenaker said:
No, my phone is not rooted. The early apps for tethering required it. The later ones didn't. Go read your contract, it is not allowed on these phones. The fact that they allowed it on the Pre means nothing. That's not your contract.

The fact that they are now doing a tethering addon for $20 even furthers my point.
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I did read the contract it says nothing about data caps and tethering through market place applications, only tethering and having rooted phones is the only issue addressed.

The data plan is now being implemented because it was already written that is how they want to charge people. they are signing you up for "multiple platforms" (NOT 1 that the ones offer now) to tether to, but you didn't know that so how are you so certain that their charge for tethering program strengthens your point? when you are able to and for free I might add (with trial applications) and NOT ILLEGALLY able to tether to one point (computer / xbox) if these applications are illegal and violate terms of agreements then how is the developers able to make money off a application market by selling full versions of trails? it seems funny that the only free ones available that allow you to do the full tethering are all for rooted and contractually illegal phones.

my argument is not so much for the how and why they are deciding to perk up the tethering possibilities, but the fact that these "rooted" users are blaming others who are legally tethering for problems that may arise while they are breaking their contracts using rooted phones...

pot calling the kettle black in my opinion. if you want to start placing blame for contractual illegal measures than don't point one back with a very weak argument against them, especially when 1 point tethering is completely legal based on your unlimited data plan (verizon)
 
Also I just found this article if anyone wants to read it you can clearly see the problem isn't with data and how they are being overloaded, it is a problem with a business seeing a business opportunity, there is no guidelines against it yet so that must mean it is illegal? hardly, this is a case of developers finding a loop-hole, the company then seeing the loop-hole decides to take matters into their own hands by providing a different but very similar service for a charged fee...

so my question remains if tethering is against your contract, why are they promoting a different kind of tethering? and also why aren't they arresting and taking down tethering programs where people pay to tether?

the solution isn't that hard to comprehend, they are scaring you all into thinking you can't do it, when legally and contractually they can't do anything about it because there is no policy written for an open source smart phone with regards to tethering, all while they can say they are being swamped and that is the reason they need to start charging or capping data when this article:

The Associated Press: Gov't plans to double available wireless spectrum

clearly states they aren't using nearly all of the capacities they have... why you might ask?

because they think you are all stupid and don't pay attention and get to the bottom of things.. typical corporate bureaucracy.

sorry not trying to be the forum evil guy just trying to get to the bottom of this without light stepping, when it seems there is no such obligation from the contract to the contractee that prohibits them exercising their rights on a free and open source system from a company that is selling those phones for profit to say they can't use a service that is developed and submitted to the android marketplace.
 
i have a mobile broadband card through verizon it has a data limit of 5 gig per month. i use it quite often to play modern warfare 2 online and it works quite well. i find the only time i lag is when the host of the game has a bad connection then the game finds a new host and all is well. since there is a limit to my allowed usage, the supplied software keeps up with my data usage on my laptop for me. one hour of online play in death match is 23 to 25 megs per hour. it would seem to me that if you tethered your droid and used it to play responsibly, you should be ok.
 
Ok I know this is talking about Xbox live.. but anyone know of a way to tether a ps3 without a computer?

Sent from my Droid using Tapatalk
 
nstallion said:
I think you're gonna have a hard time getting people to help you. I'm sorry that you have trouble getting a good internet connection where you live but breaking your contract and using your 3G data connection in a way you aren't supposed to is going to have a knock on affect. The more people do it, the more inclined Verizon is to crack down and start limiting our data plans.

I don't know how to fix your problem but even if I did I wouldn't tell you.
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Are you really breaking your contract if you tether? I mean if you were why would the folks at the Verizon store tell me to tether my phone instead of getting one of their hotspot boxes?
 
also, a co-worker of mine went to verizon and upgraded to a similar smartphone that requires the unlimited data plan and they told him how to tether his phone and, according to him, "gave him all the stuff" to do it... i dont think we're gonna have anyproblems guys
 
subtle_hustle said:
Are you really breaking your contract if you tether? I mean if you were why would the folks at the Verizon store tell me to tether my phone instead of getting one of their hotspot boxes?
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Yes, you are. What some hourly wage employee may have said is going to be hard to prove, but the language of your contract won't be. Go back and read it, it's pretty clear.

I asked that people be smart about their tethering use, but to no avail. It's drawn the attention of VZW and now they are actively working on tiered data plans and stopping unauthorized tethering. As usual, a few jerks abuse a good thing and ruin it for all of us.
 
kg6epf said:
Yes, you are. What some hourly wage employee may have said is going to be hard to prove, but the language of your contract won't be. Go back and read it, it's pretty clear.

I asked that people be smart about their tethering use, but to no avail. It's drawn the attention of VZW and now they are actively working on tiered data plans and stopping unauthorized tethering. As usual, a few jerks abuse a good thing and ruin it for all of us.
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LOL,

Um I think it's more likely that with the release of froyo, that has native wired tether, that they are able to realize a business oppurtunity.
 
mhome said:
LOL, Um I think it's more likely that with the release of froyo, that has native wired tether, that they are able to realize a business oppurtunity.
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Most certainly a part of it. VZW has traditionally nickle and dimed customers for services that some others give for free. The issue here is the blatant abuse by a small group people that is drawing attention to the abiltity to tether for free.

My point is that excessive abuse of anything is what draws attention to a problem, creating a need for those responsible to fix it. Whether you are talking about company policies, laws, or even the rules for this forum, they were created mostly out of abuse by few, that effect many.
 
All I can say is I feel sorry for all you vzw customers! Just from reading all the threads it sounds like you guys are getting screwed!! The cell service i have is very affordable( $150 for just TWO lines unlimited everything even with insurance and taxes) and when they say no data charges they mean NO data charges. the customer service girl even reccomended easytether app for my phone. Anyone that lives in the southeast I reccomend Cellular South. As far as my tether to xbox live goes it keeps saying "incorrect MTU". Can anyone help with this setting? my tether works very good through pdanet and easytether...Very fast and really just as fast as the broadband conn. i was paying $40/mnth for.
 
asdasd said:
The OP is paying good money for his unlimited data plan and he will use it as he wishes.
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thank you also I have been tethering for xbox live now for a couple months and I've only played a total amount of 50 matchs of halo which is a lot less than I could its actually not a lot but all of ppl having trouble with the mtu settings what I do is turn off my xbox it somtimes helps if that dosent I disconnect my cellie and connect it again haven't went over 5GB once. Also to all you people who are telling me I'm gunna ruin it for all of us and I wouldn't help you if I knew your! Id help you but weber thanks to those who helped....
 
Why are you a senior member you have no idea what your talking about? Its not in the contracts for any company to void the contract on teathering. I work for a cell company and its my job to keep updated on most happinings in the cell world. Teathering can and wont be illegal because when brought to the SC it was not violating previous contracts, THEY CAN TRY TO BLOCK THE PROGRAMS, THATS IT
 
I read through this thread, not believing people were still spouting off the "you'll be charged possibly" and "it violates T.O.S. and you will be cancelled"

then I read the dates. lol it certainly was all the knee-jerk rage back during the summer. lol

and yet, still, noone has been cancelled
Providers still haven't dropped $20K bills on people
tetherers still haven't ruined it for everyone else.

it reminds me of all the Y2K fanatics out there that lived their entire 1999 in fear and preperation for an armageddon that never happened. I wonder how long they stayed in their bomb-shelters with their lifetime supply of canned food, dehydrated products and ammo before they realized they were wrong and came back out into the real world. so busy living in fear that they let life pass them by for a year.

just like the people who are too scared to take full advantage of their device's capabilities because they are too busy living in fear
 
nstallion said:
Incorrect.

If you have a legitimate wireless broadband data plan (designed for use with USB wireless data adapters) then the cap is 5GB.

There is no cap on our wireless data for smartphones plan. You can download as much as you want using your Droid and that's just fine. However, any data usage through tethering is against the terms of your contract.
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To add a little additional information.....

Sprint's "4G Service" and 4G service only, is currently the only "truly unlimited plan available.


For All to be Educated,
Verizon and T-Mobile both have Unlimited plans. However, both of their "Unlimited" plans "were" capped at 5GB per month whereafter they would start to charge you. A couple months ago (maybe 3 or 4), a customer from one of the networks (can't remember which one) sued said company for advertising Unlimited and then charging after 5GB. He won and we should all thank him for his efforts. However, here is the catch: Both companies start to "Throttle your bandwidth" back after the 5GB are hit (this is what I am told fro Verizon, I have T-Mobile and can only verify for them). Throttling back is still better than paying for overages, but it can be slow. From my experience, once you hit the 5GB they will immediately cut your speed in half! From then on, the more you use, the slower it gets. U used over 20GB last month tethering my CPU and by the end of the month my download speeds were slower than dial up, about 8-20KB per second. Anyway, I hope this helps someone. BTW, XBL uses about 5-10MB per hour when playing online. If your interested, 3G Watchdog is a good android app for monitoring bandwidth.

-G
 
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