Firemen watch as sucidal man drowns

[nlsme]

can do so with a sane mind. Yes, that's what I'm saying.

Without a debilitating terminal illness?

 

[Sak01]

Without a debilitating terminal illness?

Yep, even then. Remember the crucial factor in explaining the rationale of a terminally ill person committing suicide, is that they are in pain, and are convinced that the pain will not end. A depressed person would have the same conviction through ignorance and/or disbelief of a cure.

A sane person can still lack knowledge or belief. Insanity would only apply if they are mentally incapable of distinguishing between what is morally right and wrong.

 

[nlsme]

Yep, even then. Remember the crucial factor in explaining the rationale of a terminally ill person committing suicide, is that they are in pain, and are convinced that the pain will not end. A depressed person would have the same conviction through ignorance and/or disbelief of a cure.

A sane person can still lack knowledge or belief. Insanity would only apply if they are mentally incapable of distinguishing between what is morally right and wrong.

So, their MENATL dissability, can influence their decision. BUT, still be made with a sane mind? I think we will have to agree to disagree on that one. Otherwise, ANY person that commits suicide, has a sane mind.

 

[Sak01]

Ok, we'll leave it there but I'll give you one last thing to ponder over.

In Million Dollar Baby, *spoiler alert* that girl wasn't terminally ill and she wasn't in physical pain - she was totally paralysed and could have lived out a long life in that state. Yet she rationally chose to end it all.

 

[chrisinsocalif]

If firemen are weak, scared, and unable to save lives, well.. they shouldn't be firemen at all. Sounds like they were just a bunch of cowards to me.

So what if he wanted to die? Maybe he wouldn't the next day. People make mistakes. Good thing I didn't donate to the Firefighters when they called the other week.

I'm surprised a Fire Captain wouldn't help someone that is suicidal. Good to know that firefighters aren't as heroic as USA tried to force down our throats.

What a stupid comment. Firefighters are not equipped for water rescue and there are specialized teams for that. Also there are a number of variables which also are dangerous such as current and water temperature. Someone who is trying to die is not a willing participant in being rescued and would resisting violently. To attempt a rescue without the proper gear (which is not on most engines) would not only fail, but endanger the rescuer resulting in two bodies being pulled out of the water.

You don't see police running into burning buildings, because they are not properly equipped and would be endangering themselves and could result in their death. That is why they stay outside and let the properly trained and equipped firefighters do the job.