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Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

Dark Jedi said:
guess what it might read like that on paper but its not being followed. I know a woman that has been on it for 10 years. So that blows your link out the water. Wake up and go look at the real world.
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Well then, good responsible citizen that you are, why don't you turn her in?
 
Saw this posted on a CNN website and it hits the mark perfectly, “Sorry, there is no constitutional right to free money. If you don't like it, you don't have to apply.”
 
Dark Jedi said:
How about stop going in to left field with your comparisons:rolleyes:.
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How is it going into left field? Driving is NOT a right. Nobody would be forcing it down your throat. You want to use the tax payer funded roads, piss in a cup. At least with driving, there is a danger of having drug addicts involved.
 
nlsme said:
Maybe there should be a law requiring drug testing to receive a drivers license?
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I have a commercial drivers license and I am required by law to take random piss tests. They can also pull you over for something and test you just because
 
Drug testing to recieve welfare should have been required from the very start.

Need welfare money? Hey, everyone needs help now and then I wont judge.
Need assisted living? Cool, I have built housing that was used for income based things.

The only negative I could think of is that the grey area would make room for a lot of legal loopholes. If someone comes in with a low rating of Marajuana, you obviously don't want to give them the same punishment and judgment of a person who comes in after a 3 day coke binge?

With the welfare system being as old as it is, I appreciate what he is trying to do, but the guy is playing with fire.
 
rickd126 said:
I have a commercial drivers license and I am required by law to take random piss tests. They can also pull you over for something and test you just because
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So why should it be any differant for a regular license? Or, as Dar Jedi asked, "why should they get special treatment of not being tested?".
 
The point is I wanted this license so there for I take piss tests. They want the assistance so they should piss. Nobody is makeing them take the help. If they don't want to stop doing drugs I don't care just find some other way to support your habit not by the taxes. Everybody but them pays
 
rickd126 said:
The point is I wanted this license so there for I take piss tests. They want the assistance so they should piss. Nobody is makeing them take the help. If they don't want to stop doing drugs I don't care just find some other way to support your habit not by the taxes. Everybody but them pays
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I am pretty sure everyone that gets a license, wants one. Nobody is forcing it upon them. Why should they not have to take one? I mean, roads are taxpayer funded. There is a question there, btw.
 
It seems kind of demeaning (although receiving financial help already is) but I see the point.

I'd be surprised if it got anyone off drugs tho - and why not test for alcohol and nicotine?

And I LOL'd at Mdram's idea of a slum nua scheme, that was a good joke.
 
I think you're all missing something very important here that should be thought about and discussed:

Rick Scott passed a bill that mandates drug screening for anyone on public assistance and for state workers. Have you ever considered the cost to the government to do this? How many tax dollars are going to be spent and, in the end, how many tax dollars will be saved? This doesn't seem to accomplish anything but wasted tax money.

But, the important thing to consider: who is benefiting from the law? The simple answer is the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the tests
 
Bundy said:
I think you're all missing something very important here that should be thought about and discussed:

Rick Scott passed a bill that mandates drug screening for anyone on public assistance and for state workers. Have you ever considered the cost to the government to do this? How many tax dollars are going to be spent and, in the end, how many tax dollars will be saved? This doesn't seem to accomplish anything but wasted tax money.

But, the important thing to consider: who is benefiting from the law? The simple answer is the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the tests
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Dark Jedi said:
i am sure what one person gets in government assistance ( a check, medical, food stamps, subsidized housing and so on) in a year far exceeds what one drug test cost. So even if one person is caught it saves tens of thousands of dollars every year for the state.

Why shouldn't state workers get tested? I was in the military and had been tested many of times. The cost of this testing is minuscule compared to the savings it will create and not to mention a better work force for the state that's not hopped up on something.
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Even if someone fails the test, they can STILL receive benefits. How does it save ANY money? And I know you dismissed this question, but why should people not have to submit to drug tests in order to receive a drivers license? You know how much taxpayer money goes into maintaining the roads, bridges, signals...
 
Bundy said:
I think you're all missing something very important here that should be thought about and discussed:

Rick Scott passed a bill that mandates drug screening for anyone on public assistance and for state workers. Have you ever considered the cost to the government to do this? How many tax dollars are going to be spent and, in the end, how many tax dollars will be saved? This doesn't seem to accomplish anything but wasted tax money.

But, the important thing to consider: who is benefiting from the law? The simple answer is the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the tests
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Dark Jedi said:
i am sure what one person gets in government assistance ( a check, medical, food stamps, subsidized housing and so on) in a year far exceeds what one drug test cost. So even if one person is caught it saves tens of thousands of dollars every year for the state.

Why shouldn't state workers get tested? I was in the military and had been tested many of times. The cost of this testing is minuscule compared to the savings it will create and not to mention a better work force for the state that's not hopped up on something.
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You obvioulsy missed the main point: This is not about saving money or doing the right thing for the people, state or country. This is a politician lining his own pockets and those of his friends at YOUR expense. This is the same crap as the Haliburton fleecing we took (and continue to take).

And you defend him because he says he belongs to a certain party, not because he's serving YOU.
 
nlsme said:
Even if someone fails the test, they can STILL receive benefits. How does it save ANY money? And I know you dismissed this question, but why should people not have to submit to drug tests in order to receive a drivers license? You know how much taxpayer money goes into maintaining the roads, bridges, signals...
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If the law is passed I will follow the law. Simple isn't it.
 
That is just too funny.

Let me sum it up.

Can you test for alcohol use or tobacco use? No? But they are the number 1 and 2 drugs abused by the poor and probably have the largest money spent on them. I bet if you take all the money used on illegal drugs, it would be 1/1000 of the money spent on alcohol, tobacco, and legal drugs.

But really, let us look at who get welfare out of this.

$42 dollars per drug test. Quick google gives up about 1.7 million people in Florida getting some kind of government assistance.

Which means the drug testing company's now get to have a 72 million dollar welfare check. Congrats conservatives. You managed to get corporate welfare passed into law, while doing nothing to help get those off welfare.

I swear to god, why do we give multi billion dollar companies hand out while pretending to be moral police, when we could take the 72 million dollars and actually make it work to get people off welfare.
 
nlsme said:
Could have fooled me.
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I am neither republican or democrat. I think groups are foolish and solves nothing. I look at congress like the WWE. They while in the public eye swear they hate the opposite party. Then behind closed doors they are all friends and help out each other.
 
Dark Jedi said:
I am neither republican or democrat. I think groups are foolish and solves nothing. I look at congress like the WWE. They while in the public eye swear they hate the opposite party. Then behind closed doors they are all friends and help out each other.
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I am not assuming you like any party, I am implying your views align.
 
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