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Getting Droid and cancelling data plan

Sorry, I just had to chime in for all the people getting upset about someone who doesnt want to pay for the data plan. I decided to go to Verizon from T-mobile because they ended up being cheaper for a 2-line plan with more minutes. Unfortunately, shortly after T-mobile started having awesome deals on phones I wanted. Anyhow, I digress.

Both of us wanted the Droid, I never talk on the phone, only text, she rarely does anything but light texting and a lot of talking. We opted for a lesser set of phones because of the exta $30 x 2 that we would be paying. Yet, she would never use any part of it except for the unlimited texting which we get for $10 anyhow. I only ever use about 15MB of my 25MB limit for the month.

As for Wifi, I am constantly around it, at my retail job, at my main job, at home, at most of my friends houses, when I go out to eat. She is constantly around it, the same places including her UPS job, and those around the store. I honestly could do without the $30 data plan. However I also understand this is why Verizon has their mandatory plan as well.

If it is possible, I would love to pay full price for a Droid, have it activated on the Verizon (or another) network, and use it as a phone without paying for the data plan.
 
Get a GSM Android phone that works on Tmobile or AT&T without contract & data plan. I think the Droid is known as the Milestone outside the U.S. and works on GSM networks.
 
While I agree that it would be nice if verizon offered the ability to use these devices without a data plan (I am one of those who is around wifi most of the day), from a business standpoint it goes like this: Verizon is not ripping people off. They are a business offering a product. Is it overpriced? Maybe. But that doesn't change the fact that NO ONE IS FORCED TO BUY A PHONE OR A PLAN. Verizon is charging far market value for their services and is swimming in the same pond as the other major U.S. carriers.

The bottom line is if you want to hang out at their house, you have to play by their rules.



BTW: my wife asked me if she has to have a data plan when she gets her new droid tomorrow. When i told her yes, she said "But theres wifi at the house, my parents AND at work. When would i use data?". Seems there are many people who don't understand why, but that doesn't mean its not un-justified.
 
I think people vastly overrate how much wifi surrounds them. Yes its at Mcdonalds, yes its at the house, yes its a possibility your work has it. What about that family vacation on the beach? No uploading pics there. What about that drive to grandma's house? No gps in the car on the way. what about that trip to the grocery store? You may be around wifi alot. But very few people are around it 100 percent of the time. Wifi is a feature, but not the backbone of how these phones are meant to function.
 
Also consider that Verizon is in the business of providing wireless communication services, not wireless computing or communication devices, and the devices they sell are ancillary to the services. From a business perspective, the goal of any wireless carrier is to sell wireless services and they probably wouldn't even offer devices with wireless data access unless doing so also resulted in selling their wireless data services.
 
I'm not trying to flame here at all, but I feel like a few of the respondents are practically shills for the wireless carriers! If someone says that don't need mobile data access, why would you presume to know better?! The carriers don't "need" to restrict consumer choice in this way to enable profitability. They CHOOSE to restrict choice because the anti-competitive environment allows them to do so, and given the choice they are happy to influence the market for a known benefit today, over an unproven benefit tomorrow!

The wireless carriers of America have consolidated for "efficiency" enough that they have been allowed to create an oligopoly.

a pseudo-monopoly made up of a small number of very large providers who control the supply of a market and typically either directly or tacitly agree not to compete on one or more market factors.


Areas in which wireless carriers have agreed not to compete:
-Prices of phones - > nearly all new phones are purchased without knowing the true sales price as it is obscured with unspecified contract subsidy.
-Off plan text messaging - $.20/msg! Obviously this rate cannot be justified based on actual costs and along with no ability to refuse incoming text messages, it is designed to bully customers into choosing txt message plans which allow many more messages than actually used on average. These plans also then encourage switching from relatively data intensive phone calls to relatively tiny text messaging, while keeping revenue the same!
-Everybody pays the subsidy rate! They bully customers into two-year contracts by making you pay elevated monthly fees which pay for the phone subsidy even if you bought the phone outright for cash! If I buy my own cable modem, Charter doesn't still get to charge me $4 a month for it, why should wireless carriers?!
-Two Year Contract for all! Off contract phones are sold at an abusively inflated "Cash Price", but a new account still requires a two-year contract AND the carrier still exclusively controls the ability to actually use YOUR $600-700 device with a carrier lock!
-Data Plan Required for all smartphones, regardless of cash or contract purchase!

Yes I realize that their are plenty of prepaid and other marginal options, but even those are primarily controlled by the same players, don't offer the latest and most sought after handsets and are specifically marketed to a separate subset of consumers. The main wireless consumer class requires their utilities to be ongoing monthly plan/rate based services, so these alternatives don't compete for the same customers.

U.S. carriers have at best accidentally or at worst secretly agreed not to meaningfully compete with each other on the hugely important aspects of wireless services listed above and customers are suffering.

In a properly competitive environment, providers would: Sell a phone for a fair and profitable retail price, plus charge a fair and profitable rate for basic monthly service which would allow data plans to be optionally added for a fair price.

Instead carriers attempt to compete on 3 mostly constructed criteria; Perceived network reliability/quality, perceived price/plan differences, handset availability.

Handset selection should be controlled completely by the end user, not the carrier! Other than professional travelers, the rest of us spend 99.9% of our time in one or maybe two regions and so all that really matters is the network quality of carriers in your region. Finally, just through implied market actions, the small number of carriers guarantee that price/plan differences will typically be in parity with only short-term differences possible.

To Fix It:
It was federal regulators who led us to the slaughter by allowing a never-ending stream of mergers in this industry. It should fall to them to save us by forcing all four wireless carriers to split into two logical business units; network infrastructure and service provider. AT&T's service provider unit would then lease network capacity from AT&T's infrastructure unit at a fair market price and 3rd-parties could lease at the same or a similar price.

This would not be heavy-handed government action, but instead end the anti-American barriers to competition that the wireless industry has been allowed to create. If they are running efficient and competitive businesses that serve the free market best, than they have nothing to worry about as they would continue to dominate.

But I'm guessing it would look a lot more like the last time that congress busted up excessive supplier control in telecommunications... In 1984, AT&T's residential long distance rate averaged $.33/minute, that year regulators forced AT&T to give the same local toll access to all potential competitors and forced those competitors to pay the same costs as AT&T for long distance services. Within 5 years, AT&T's average residential long distance rate dropped to $.18/minute which was in line with competitors.

During this time, access, call quality, usage, and industry revenue all increased dramatically(despite falling prices,) simply because breaking up the market-hindering forces released a wave of pent up demand. That's because big market players are too afraid of losing what they have to take innovative risks for big gains.

Breaking up the damaging control that suppliers have over the current wireless market is the best and fastest way to encourage the evolution of telecommunications. Just think of how many devices in our lives we might actually connect to wireless networks if the end of monopolies meant we could connect as many as we wanted for between $5-10 per device. My monthly wireless bill might go up 10-20%, but the perceived value I get from receiving data when, where, and on which device I want could easily double my perceived value.

This will eventually happen either way, but if we wait for the oligopolists to deliver this future, it will take 10-20 years instead of the 5 that it could take!
 
Good post jdonkey, another reason why the business landscape is really 'winner take all', and then the public has to support them if they're 'too big to fail'. Anyway back to Android...

I just got Sipdroid working on my Acer Liquid on Tmobile prepaid, and now I get limited access edge/WAP internet, free texting through google voice, free Wi-Fi VoiP calls via sipgate & 1 Google Voice number (incoming & outgoing domestic). The only time I really need to use my tmobile airplan minutes is when I'm outside of wi-fi range, otherwise at home, the office, & coffee shops, free unlimited internet and calls using VoiP. My average monthly cell plan costs about $10-15/mo. Can't do that with an iphone or ipad.
 
If you don't want an expensive data plan, switch carriers. Carriers like Virgin, Cricket, or Boost offer data plans for cheaper than verizon. AT&T also has a $15 data plan you could use. Or get an Android PMP, basically an Android powered iPod Touch.
 
If you don't want an expensive data plan, switch carriers. Carriers like Virgin, Cricket, or Boost offer data plans for cheaper than verizon. AT&T also has a $15 data plan you could use. Or get an Android PMP, basically an Android powered iPod Touch.

Too bad none of those are an option for me. I would really prefer not to carry two devices to be honest.
 
I have a droid. The data connection is so slow that it's unusable when I need it most. And I'm in San Francisco, big city. If I'm lost I could go to a gas station and ask directions, fill up, pee, make a couple new friends, vacuum out the car in the time it takes me to get connected and directed. If I'm indoors it's even worse making any kind of surfing so frustrating I want to throw the phone through a window.

I'm forced to pay $30 a month for this. I never use it, I can't use it. But I'm now used to the apps and use them for work. I could use these apps sync'd with my computer. I don't need the data plan.

I don't want to go back to my ancient dare. I like the details on the smart phones.

Making folks pay for something the don't need or use or could use if they wanted is just straight up robbery.

Desiring new technology and not having to pay for things you don't need is not unreasonable. Asking someone to start their own phone company if they don't like it is asinine.

None of these phone company's are hurting for money. They could provide other versions of this service but why when the can bilk us out of our hard earned money without an effort. Like idiots we buy into it. (hey, I'm talking about me too)

I'm going back to my dumb Dare until plan B arises.

Don't believe the phone companies for a second that it HAS to be this way. ridiculous.
 
So I guess you "NEVER" get text and video messages. I'm guessing you never get an email either. If your connection is that slow, maybe you should take the time to troubleshoot the problem. I know a lot of people with android phones in and around that area with no problems with slow data connections. You either have a bad phone or a setting is off. Explain again what "details" you like about having a smartphone over a feature phone.
 
I got the nationwide messaging plan. Its specifically for the deaf and hard of hearing. It comes with everything except calling, which the deaf don't need anyways. So I guess my data falls under that since I never get a data plan charge.
 
Hi, I feel like my question relates to the original point of the discussion but differs enough that I'd hoped someone could provide me with the answer. Would it be possible to get an upgrade to a Droid, with the required data plan, and then downgrade back to a regular non-3g phone and cancel the data plan without incurring any horrendous charges? And the phone would be used for another line on the family plan as well, that currently has a data plan, but a non-3g phone that cannot access its data plan. I hope someone has the answer. Thanks!
 
Hi, I feel like my question relates to the original point of the discussion but differs enough that I'd hoped someone could provide me with the answer. Would it be possible to get an upgrade to a Droid, with the required data plan, and then downgrade back to a regular non-3g phone and cancel the data plan without incurring any horrendous charges? And the phone would be used for another line on the family plan as well, that currently has a data plan, but a non-3g phone that cannot access its data plan. I hope someone has the answer. Thanks!

With Verizon, the phone dictates what kind of dataplan requirements the phone line needs. So, if you upgrade on one line to a Droid, and move that phone to another line on your account, the dataplan moves with the phone, as it is what is requiring the dataplan. So, if you put a feature phone on that line instead of the droid, there is no dataplan.

Also, if you purchase through a 3rd party or Indirect reseller, they may add a rider to the contract where you have to maintain the dataplan on the original line even if you move the phone to another line. Watch out for that.
 
The way I get around paying for the data plan is I signed a two year contract and got a DX at $199 from verizonwireless.com. I now just use it on wifi and use google talk. Or you could use AIM and send texts to phone numbers that way.
 
The number of cellphone subscribers was unluckily increasing every year.. So the competition in the general cellphone market is ferocious. Even more for business cellphone customers..


While Many phone service providers have decided to get rid of unlimited data programs entirely. The trend is in the direction of tiered programs that customize support to amounts of use. Some have balked, saying the tiered system will cost them more. But some specialists disagree, saying that limited programs are more economical. It is like Saving money while surfing on your smartphone. Regardless, there are several steps you can take to reduce cost with your data plan.
 
The number of cellphone subscribers was unluckily increasing every year.. So the competition in the general cellphone market is ferocious. Even more for business cellphone customers..


While Many phone service providers have decided to get rid of unlimited data programs entirely. The trend is in the direction of tiered programs that customize support to amounts of use. Some have balked, saying the tiered system will cost them more. But some specialists disagree, saying that limited programs are more economical. It is like Saving money while surfing on your smartphone. Regardless, there are several steps you can take to reduce cost with your data plan.

Which are....??????
 
Wow, I can't believe there are so many posts suggesting that it is pointless to get an Android phone without a data plan. Really? As if there aren't countless apps that can be used on it that don't require data usage or even a wifi connection? And so what if YOU don't have wifi available to you for a sufficient portion of the day. Other people do, and that's a reason right there, so quit being so critical about it.

P.S. - To those of you thinking that way, have you ever heard of the iPod touch? No data (and no phone, for that matter), but millions sold and millions of uses. Wow, what a pointless device.
 
Wow, I can't believe there are so many posts suggesting that it is pointless to get an Android phone without a data plan. Really? As if there aren't countless apps that can be used on it that don't require data usage or even a wifi connection? And so what if YOU don't have wifi available to you for a sufficient portion of the day. Other people do, and that's a reason right there, so quit being so critical about it.

P.S. - To those of you thinking that way, have you ever heard of the iPod touch? No data (and no phone, for that matter), but millions sold and millions of uses. Wow, what a pointless device.

I don't think anyone is suggesting it is pointless to get a Smartphone without a data plan. Many would like to do that. What they're saying is that none of the big carriers will allow you to have a smartphone on thier network without purchasing a data plan.

I think the only way to have a smartphone without a data plan is to go with one of the smaller carriers like mobi or cricket. I've never checked into it myself so I'm not 100% sure.

Good luck,
 
If you read through this thread from the beginning, you will see plenty of posts saying just that.

Yes, you are correct, but this thread was started 2 years ago, (October 31, 2009) when smartphones and the carriers were just starting their mandatory data plans. (I will admit, I didn't go back and read 2 year old posts)

You have to agree though, much has changed in the last 2 years. (Heck, 2 years ago you had to bust your butt to use 1 GB of data) Now we have tiered data plans, dual core processors, 4G LTE, screens the size of football fields, etc. (well, maybe I exaggerated a little on the screen size, haha)

However, long story short, yes, if you go back 2 years, many of the posts were saying that.
 
Yes, they're old posts, but they were just as ridiculous then and they are now, regardless of the changes in data plans. After all, the whole point of contention was getting an Android phone without a data plan. Either way, it's not worth arguing about anymore.
 
Believe me, you don't want a Blackberry. There is no comparison between Android and Blackberry, Android kills Blackberry any day of the week.
 
The way I get around paying for the data plan is I signed a two year contract and got a DX at $199 from verizonwireless.com. I now just use it on wifi and use google talk. Or you could use AIM and send texts to phone numbers that way.

What phone did you sign the 2 year contrac with. Not the DX.... right. Otherwise you'd have a data plan.

So, when you bought the phone from Verizon wireless... they didn't require that you activate it? Also, if you're getting your apps over wifi, how are you charged and paying for them if not on the phones number?

sounds quite odd to me. And.... why aren't more people using your method of getting a smartphone on Verizon without a data plan?

Can you give many more specifics?
 
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