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here is why I use a task killer

I had ATK installed, just got rid of it to see if I noticed anything different, but I just only used it to kill problems, mostly when my browser locked up.

But someone answer me this. Why do all those shit programs load up anyway? FM radio, Skype, City ID, Voice Search, Voice dialer etc etc. I never use these programs and do not know for the life of me why they are even started. I can see processes being started that are actually needed to run the phone but Skype???

I bet people would have far less issues if these crap programs were never loaded to begin with. People see these services loaded and just assume it's causing battery drain, especially when they close them and they restart. People start posting about it now you have mass hysteria.

Hey , to answer your question...those applications are loaded because the phone rebooted and waiting on user interaction before it starts to close those programs down to make use of the applications you use. Do this for example, reboot the phone, then run ATK and look at all the apps "started" :) - you'll see about 50 but youre memory will be running higher than average right? we'll get to that later. Open ATK and just kill ATK after you see those apps. Use the phone as normal, for about an hour. You will see fmscanner/peep/places/maps/youtube/ etc all starting to close on their own, you will even see googlevoice and skype not running at certain times *if you havent used the phone feature in a while* It's because those apps you think are running have started so you can start them up swiftly, once the OS sees you are not using them, they auto-close on you.

For the phone feature, since skype is installed, just in case you are logged into skype, it needs to have skype on stanby mode (look at wit with aTK if you can click info, you'll see running time 0 minutes/0 seconds) Skype nees to start/or cache up when you get an incoming cal so it knows to route the phone to skype just in case, cityID starts up to tel you where the call is coming from, google voice comes up so that it's ready to use those services...if you don't use the phone feature for an hour say, those apps arent running anymore, which they were cached to begin with (there is even a debate about the apps cached or running also, debates everywhere).

The point is, you will see certain apps close on their own to make way for the apps you have been recently using. I watch ATK closely, and i Notice youtube goes away after a few minutes after a phone reboot, i notice fm scanner go away, places, google voice, etc. After about an hour, when i Run ATK to check, i only have a few things running, and they were my most recent apps. Now the kicker, if you change the process viewing level from medium to high, you will see even more services running in the background, messaging service, sync service, and other system processes which could drive you nuts probably and you'd want to close them all right? Well then you'd stop getting texts, your touch input would become unstable, you wouldnt be able to switch/flip through screens.

I change my viewing type to low, so i only see apps that are actually running and using CPU (not just lying dormant at 0%) and i close anything that might have an incorrect close code. For example, if i were to play a game, and i stll see it's running and using CPU % usage after i stopped 5 minutes ago, i would kill that game, but thats it.

Bottom line, those apps are running yes, but not in the fore-ground...they will eventually close for you, and only the apps you use will have a cpu % usage next to them, and will even show you an uptime if you use something like taskmanager or systempanel and you will see none of these programs you think are running have used any CPU usage.

Even when you use the camera, and then back out. You will see the camera running, but the counter has stopped for running time, and that will be set to 0% cpu, with uptime of 20 seconds, it's not really running, it's just in the back-ground, not foreground of your apps control center.

Confusing i know, and even the stuff i've said is debatable, but i have a good grasp on the apps and how they run in the foreground and background, what is actually running and what isnt. I've ready everything thread i could about this topic and learned a lot.

Read this link if you havent.

FAQ: Why You Shouldn’t Be Using a Task Killer with Android

hope i helped a little bit :) :eek::rolleyes::)
 
check what all you have being synced, as that will drain the battery faster too. for example, if facebook is set to sync every 3 minutes, and you leave fb open on your computer all day, no need to have it syncing at all to your phone.
 
ill never understand how the hell anyone is getting 26 hours on thisbphone. ill get 15 told it says but I dont even get that.

Very simple. No live background, FB and Twitter set to sync every hour, news widget only when I refresh it, email every 30 mins. Wifi off. GPS off.

I got 26 hrs with a fair amount of usage. I probably sent around 50 or so texts, 3 or 4 phone calls of no longer than 10 minutes, I used Foursquare a few times, updated my status via friendstream twice.
I even used my phone w GPS on to find a restaurant near where I was.

I truly believe its charging the phone off and then bump charging 3 times.
The phone blows through the "90s" pretty quickly but then after that it seems to slow down.
 
mine seems to blow through every percent rather quickly....lol using an app and backing out, i notice a 2-3% drop immediatley
 
No, I know technically why those apps are started but why did Google/Verizon even have them start to begin with? I don't think any apps should ever be started by default. Like Skype, I don't use Skype, never have and maybe never will use it so I have 0 use for it to be started.



Hey , to answer your question...those applications are loaded because the phone rebooted and waiting on user interaction before it starts to close those programs down to make use of the applications you use. Do this for example, reboot the phone, then run ATK and look at all the apps "started" :) - you'll see about 50 but youre memory will be running higher than average right? we'll get to that later. Open ATK and just kill ATK after you see those apps. Use the phone as normal, for about an hour. You will see fmscanner/peep/places/maps/youtube/ etc all starting to close on their own, you will even see googlevoice and skype not running at certain times *if you havent used the phone feature in a while* It's because those apps you think are running have started so you can start them up swiftly, once the OS sees you are not using them, they auto-close on you.

For the phone feature, since skype is installed, just in case you are logged into skype, it needs to have skype on stanby mode (look at wit with aTK if you can click info, you'll see running time 0 minutes/0 seconds) Skype nees to start/or cache up when you get an incoming cal so it knows to route the phone to skype just in case, cityID starts up to tel you where the call is coming from, google voice comes up so that it's ready to use those services...if you don't use the phone feature for an hour say, those apps arent running anymore, which they were cached to begin with (there is even a debate about the apps cached or running also, debates everywhere).

The point is, you will see certain apps close on their own to make way for the apps you have been recently using. I watch ATK closely, and i Notice youtube goes away after a few minutes after a phone reboot, i notice fm scanner go away, places, google voice, etc. After about an hour, when i Run ATK to check, i only have a few things running, and they were my most recent apps. Now the kicker, if you change the process viewing level from medium to high, you will see even more services running in the background, messaging service, sync service, and other system processes which could drive you nuts probably and you'd want to close them all right? Well then you'd stop getting texts, your touch input would become unstable, you wouldnt be able to switch/flip through screens.

I change my viewing type to low, so i only see apps that are actually running and using CPU (not just lying dormant at 0%) and i close anything that might have an incorrect close code. For example, if i were to play a game, and i stll see it's running and using CPU % usage after i stopped 5 minutes ago, i would kill that game, but thats it.

Bottom line, those apps are running yes, but not in the fore-ground...they will eventually close for you, and only the apps you use will have a cpu % usage next to them, and will even show you an uptime if you use something like taskmanager or systempanel and you will see none of these programs you think are running have used any CPU usage.

Even when you use the camera, and then back out. You will see the camera running, but the counter has stopped for running time, and that will be set to 0% cpu, with uptime of 20 seconds, it's not really running, it's just in the back-ground, not foreground of your apps control center.

Confusing i know, and even the stuff i've said is debatable, but i have a good grasp on the apps and how they run in the foreground and background, what is actually running and what isnt. I've ready everything thread i could about this topic and learned a lot.

Read this link if you havent.

FAQ: Why You Shouldn
 
i use an app called task manager (it has a white sprocket/gear lokking icon) its free in the market. it doesnt stay running in the notification bar when you back out of it.

this one is great b/c instead of code or showing every app and exclude lists; it only shows icons of what is open only. press it and hit kill the only stuff i leave on its HTC sense and people and dialer, (people and dialer used to kill on 2.1 but they wont on 2.2)

i back out of everything but the web is a pain cause you have to back out of every page so what i do is after web surfing i open this and kill my browser and i have been getting great battery life so far with my bidaliies 1500....16 1/2 hrs yesterday and 54% 10hrs later and i have only had the battery for 2 days so far but 2 good days to say the least
 
Well so far my first day running task killer and I dont get why people use it.
I see basically no difference in battery life. It may actually be slightly worse. I used it less today than I normally do but its about the same as when I use it more without a task killer.
To me it seems the task killer is using up more battery and causing apps to constantly restart.
I have task killer set for every 30 minutes. So basically what to me appears is happening is this ...
An application opens for 30 minutes, task killer kills it for a few minutes, the app starts again for another X amount of minutes until the task killer stops it. Just seems like a vicious cycle that drains the battery.
 
I tried ATK and my battery life stunk. I tried without and it stunk less but still stunk. Got a new STOCK battery without ATK and it was better.

Honestly, I think people that use a task killer are better off finding out what apps are draining their batteries and just avoid them. Ever since froyo, Launcher is running so fast and I have widgets all over the place, use my phone all the time and I still get through the day.

Folks, also remember that this type of battery is one which is fine to plug in anytime you can. So if you are at a computer..... plug it in...... at a desk with an outlet.... plug it in..... in your car...... plug it in.

I still keep away from task killers. Just my opinion.
 
I tried ATK and my battery life stunk. I tried without and it stunk less but still stunk. Got a new STOCK battery without ATK and it was better.

Honestly, I think people that use a task killer are better off finding out what apps are draining their batteries and just avoid them. Ever since froyo, Launcher is running so fast and I have widgets all over the place, use my phone all the time and I still get through the day.

Folks, also remember that this type of battery is one which is fine to plug in anytime you can. So if you are at a computer..... plug it in...... at a desk with an outlet.... plug it in..... in your car...... plug it in.

I still keep away from task killers. Just my opinion.

+1 If your battery is draining fast, and if task killer seems to help your battery, you have a faulty app/s causing your problems. Fix the problem (change settings, try a different app, etc), and your phone will be much happier.
 
On my Droid I didnt see a difference when taking off ATK.... BUT, the Ally and Devour was a different story... I only use it when the phone seems a bit bogged down and slow to react...I have never seen it afftect battery but so much, just the speed of the phone...
 
I go for the middle-ground and use Automatic Task killer as a widget on my home screen. When I am feeling OCD about my phone, I'll press it to kill apps I've previously marked as killable. I don't let it run in the background; I just activate it with the widget.

Very happy with the way that works.
 
Well so far my first day running task killer and I dont get why people use it.
I see basically no difference in battery life. It may actually be slightly worse. I used it less today than I normally do but its about the same as when I use it more without a task killer.
To me it seems the task killer is using up more battery and causing apps to constantly restart.
I have task killer set for every 30 minutes. So basically what to me appears is happening is this ...
An application opens for 30 minutes, task killer kills it for a few minutes, the app starts again for another X amount of minutes until the task killer stops it. Just seems like a vicious cycle that drains the battery.

I would agree with the above. I used to use an ATK in 2.1. After updating to Froyo, I found out that ATK didn't work the same way. I still have it installed, but I stopped using it. You know what? It feels nice not having to be so OCD. As far as I'm concerned, it hasn't hurt or helped battery life to be really noticeable. But not having to be so OCD, it's just nice. I say, it just comes down to each person's preference. If they think using an ATK will help them, by all means, they should use it. For the rest, we don't have to worry about it.
 
At BEST ATK's are a band aid for something wrong with your phone or one of your apps.

In every other case their a detriment that does more harm then good...
 
I was a big fan of ATK with 2.1 and no one could talk me out of using it . But 2.2 works so well managing apps....I have stopped using it completely. I have seen no change in battery life since I stopped using it and its a big relief not to "kill" every time I touch the phone.

"Hi. My name is Markus and I used to be addicted to killing apps."

I'm the same way. 2.2 has been very good. ATK was uninstalled even when I had 2.1, but a lot of folks were raving about System Panel. The monitoring is cool, lots of pretty colors and charts, but, I still saw so many apps opening on their own I uninstalled that as well. I'm task-killer and monitor free, and I am happy and relieved not to have to worry about that all the time.

I occasionally shut down my sports scores apps when I no longer need scores, but my battery life has been quite acceptable each day. I charge each night regardless, and have a car charger for using Google Nav.

I bought a high-end phone with full data package, with lots of GPS and location-pulling apps and they are helpful and useful. I've accepted the fact that the battery isn't perfect, but it gets me through the day just fine and I have less stress. If plugging in my phone was such a hard thing to do, I would have kept my crappy Motorola Qrc. That battery lasted up to 4-5 days.

It's like if I buy a Ferrari, I'm not going to get mad because traffic (and laws) prevent me from using every ounce of horsepower, and my mpg sucks. I know what I have, I'm dealing with it. Time to get over the battery complaining people.
 
For those with the stock browser running a page on auto refresh: what I do is load my home page whenever I'm done. My home page is stock - google.com. Sometimes I'm screwed by a different window open that I'm not aware of....

Good luck.
 
i got a bad app. its called skype. never use it, but its always open. cant uninstall it. I'm sure its not the only one out there like this
 
I'M not trying to flame you but as far as the Skype goes everyone is gonna say to root your phone to delete any app even bloatware
 
I'm going to test my phone without the task killer today. I bump charged it and the phone has been up for 2:46:12 and awake for 0:04:30 and I still have 100% battery.
 
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Ok..New test. I am going to see how long my battery lasts while constantly using it. I'm going to open every app I have, 3G on, pandora streaming, internet browsing, screen timeout at 30 minutes, etc. Everything will be running.
 
I took off ATK, and replaced it with system panel lite. Couple observations;

When I unplug the phone for about 3 minutes, I notice lots of apps in my "battery use" display.

But when I go ahead and kill every app and do this, I only see phone idle and cell standby.I think the apps turn themselves off after several hours of non use. But haw much battery did they consume before they shut down?

Also, memory. I have the application "any cut" (great free app for making shortcuts). When I've not killed any tasks, there is a slowdown in how fast I can scroll the menu. Same applies to Astro file mgr.

So, if no need for a task killer? Seems to me its necessary.
 
I agree it is very necessary. If a lot of apps are running or not doing anything but just sitting there and using no noticeable battery, the phone will lag due to low memory.
 
Battery is now at 50% with up time and awake time both at 2:12:00 giving me ~4:30:00 of constant use. And I used this thing hard. Got the battery up to 107 degrees. All over youtube, internet, app market, streaming music.
 
you all are missing the point. Skype isnt active and neither are most other apps you see running supposedly. They arent consuming CPU cycles and therefore not causing battery drain. But when you task manager kills them and then they appear after 5 minutes or whatever, that DOES use CPU cycles. All of you that think its necessary are not understanding what is actually going on. If its not using CPU dont worry about it.

As for memory, i have never had issues with that either, linux does a great job handling that too. but it can get over loaded if you actively open and use programs enough
 
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