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High Radiation ????

Yeah, that's a valid thing to do. The intro article you post admits that there's little-or-no basis for thinking high SAR is connected to any health problems (by now, do you not think that people who've been using mobiles heavily for more than 20 years might start exhibiting a large trend towards ill-health if there were any cause-for-concern ?). A great many Luddites have spent a very large amount of money trying to prove a connection between radio and ill-health and so far... nothing.
The top 20 list is basically a list of manufacturers doing a better job of butting-up to the 1.6 SAR limit imposed on them. Without knowledge of the variance and extent of all other phones (they could all have a 1.43 rating for all we know) the top 20 is useless. The only real action you could take is not to use mobile telecommunications at all.
Plus we are constantly bombarded with "radiation" of varying frequencies all our lives, from electrical circuits, atmospheric conditions and from distant stars. With no evidence that mobile phone usage has any effect on a person's health making a change based on the above articles is a little bit like a religious choice.
 
I have my Desire for about 4 months and Im loving it !!! I won't change it to even Nexus S !! till I read this article which really made me to post an Ad on Craigslist to sell my baby and buy something else :(

Introduction: Cell phone radiation levels - CNET Reviews

20 Highest: 20 highest-radiation cell phones (United States) - CNET Reviews

So the Desire has an SAR of 1.48? That's a considerable improvement on the 2.0+ levels that was common in handsets only 5 years ago.

Didn't someone once tell me that the average person is at greater exposure to radiation from a CRT TV we are likely to get cancer from exposure to depleted uranium.

Do you let your food stand for 2 minutes after cooking it in a microwave Amir88, or do you just tuck in?
 
Don't see the iphone on there (anywhere) so I guess Steve is keeping that info closed and confidential as well! lol
 
They're the FCC figures apparently - you can't hide a figure you can test (although since you can get different figures from different individual phones and in a number of different circumstances I'd kinda like to see the process before called this "science" or accepting the figures blindly).
 
I'll try to put this one to bed here. There are three ways that radiation can interact with the body, that depend on the frequency. One concerns low frequency radiation and is irrelevant here, as mobiles use far higher frequencies.

The one people are worried about is ionising radiation, which is the one that can cause cancer. It can happen, if I recall, when the photon of radiation impacts the nucleus of a cell and ionises an atom in a DNA strand. If enough photons do this to enough atoms, it can cause the cell to become cancerous. But it takes a very high dose of EM radiation to impact enough atoms to do any damage. And here's the good part - It is also totally irrelevant here. EM radiation only becomes ionising above a certain energy threshold, and the energy of a photon is proportional to its frequency. The frequency of radiation used by mobiles is FAR too low. We're talking a million times too low here. Mobile radiation is not ionising.

Which means the only relevant effect is thermal - The amount by which the brain can be heated by the phone. The desire comes in at a maximum of 1.48 watts per kilogram. Apparently the average human brain is 1.3-1.4kg, so we'll go with 1.35kg for the sake of argument. Therefore, at MAXIMUM levels, your brain absorbs about 2 watts of energy.

The brain is composed mostly of water, so we'll assume a specific heat capacity of about 4 joules per gram per kelvin, a little less than that of H2O. What that means is that it takes 4 joules of energy to raise the temperature of 1 gram of brain matter by one degree Kelvin (The same as one degree Celsius).

The brain weighs about 1350 grams, so to raise the temperature of the brain by one degree you need somewhere in the region of 5400 joules. And at 2 watts of input from the phone, that means at most the phone would increase the temperature in your brain by one degree in a 45 minute phonecall. But that's assuming that the phone constantly operates at its maximum power, which it wouldn't, not to mention the fact that the brain can easily cool itself to compensate for that. The phone has no effect.




PS. I know it ignores a lot of the biological factors, but add to that that every reputable study ever done has found no evidence whatsoever of any damage by mobile phone radiation, and you can rest assured that you're safe. The studies that DO find things are almost always by people who set out to prove it is true. So they find a way to make it true. Look, this rat developed cancer when exposed to mobile phone radiation On a level 2,000 times greater than is used in a normal phone on a creature a tiny fraction of your body mass! Take everything you read on this matter with a good tablespoon full of salt.
 
So the Desire has an SAR of 1.48?
That's on US Cellular which is CDMA. The GSM version is not listed since it's not carried in the US, but it's likely it would be similar to the Google Nexus One which is rated at 0.867.

Personally, I'm not concerned with it at either rating.
:p
 
So the Desire has an SAR of 1.48? That's a considerable improvement on the 2.0+ levels that was common in handsets only 5 years ago.

Didn't someone once tell me that the average person is at greater exposure to radiation from a CRT TV we are likely to get cancer from exposure to depleted uranium.

Do you let your food stand for 2 minutes after cooking it in a microwave Amir88, or do you just tuck in?

@Hatstand - Just want to take you to task re: the Microwave thing.

Letting your food stand for two minutes has nothing at all to do with radiation. It's to let the temperature of the food stabilise.
Microwaves, by their nature can create hotspots in food, so the settling time is to allow this to be conducted out. This is especially important for liquids - they can spontaneously boil over if moved straight after heating.

Anyway, I completely agree, this whole EM radiation thing is getting a bit stale now, and certainly doesn't make me want to get rid of my Desire!
 
@Hatstand - Just want to take you to task re: the Microwave thing.

Letting your food stand for two minutes has nothing at all to do with radiation. It's to let the temperature of the food stabilise.
Microwaves, by their nature can create hotspots in food, so the settling time is to allow this to be conducted out. This is especially important for liquids - they can spontaneously boil over if moved straight after heating.

Anyway, I completely agree, this whole EM radiation thing is getting a bit stale now, and certainly doesn't make me want to get rid of my Desire!

:eek: Does Captain Birds Eye know about this?
 
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And at 2 watts of input from the phone, that means at most the phone would increase the temperature in your brain by one degree in a 45 minute phonecall. But that's assuming that the phone constantly operates at its maximum power, which it wouldn't, not to mention the fact that the brain can easily cool itself to compensate for that.....


So what you're saying is that the Desire's battery would be flat by the time any real damage could possibly be done to the brain. ;):D
 
Just scanning through the linked report, I came across the HTC list.

Any idea why the Desire is almost double that of the Nexus One when they're practically the same phone?
 
Just scanning through the linked report, I came across the HTC list.

Any idea why the Desire is almost double that of the Nexus One when they're practically the same phone?

I'm guessing here but CDMA (US) is not comparable to GSM (UK).

83% of all statistics are made up on the spot!
 
Just scanning through the linked report, I came across the HTC list.

Any idea why the Desire is almost double that of the Nexus One when they're practically the same phone?


Should have scanned this thread too ;)

That's on US Cellular which is CDMA. The GSM version is not listed since it's not carried in the US, but it's likely it would be similar to the Google Nexus One which is rated at 0.867.

Personally, I'm not concerned with it at either rating.
:p
 
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