That makes sense but where does HTC fall in this?...ok read AzJazz post....and it seems its pretty much up to the use to make this available as googles hands are tied.
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That makes sense but where does HTC fall in this?...ok read AzJazz post....and it seems its pretty much up to the use to make this available as googles hands are tied.
Gunner
Android Enthusiast
@ jpiepkow: Android's browser is also webkit based - thus the Euro Droid (Milestone) has MT in the browser.
Basically, F U Apple. Apple awarded key iPhone multitouch patent | Apple - CNET News
Also - way to be a bunch of pussies, Google & Verizon. I think they could put together a valid case against patenting MT, but they don't seem to be interested in fighting it. There is still a lot of debate about whether that patent should be valid.
So, basically I'm waiting for the Milestone to get rooted, and hopefully somebody will pull out all of the MT enabled apps and post them up. I'd love to have MT on the stock Android browser (don't care for Dolphin).
Basically, F U Apple. Apple awarded key iPhone multitouch patent | Apple - CNET News
Also - way to be a bunch of pussies, Google & Verizon. I think they could put together a valid case against patenting MT, but they don't seem to be interested in fighting it. There is still a lot of debate about whether that patent should be valid.
So, basically I'm waiting for the Milestone to get rooted, and hopefully somebody will pull out all of the MT enabled apps and post them up. I'd love to have MT on the stock Android browser (don't care for Dolphin).
Motorola has stated the only reason the Droid doesn't have multi-touch is because it is "carrier preference". That implies to me that neither Google or Motorola is very worried about getting sued.
Euro Droid Phone Gets Multitouch; Americans Don't - Reviews by PC Magazine
Well im not pissed off at apple they are doing what they should do as far as patents go....i cant blame them. But i agree about the patent office.....but hey if I can root my phone and get MT im good either way.
Gunner
Android Enthusiast
Concise article here basically sums up the issue: Regarding Apple Multi-touch Patents, iPhone, Verizon Droid, and Palm Pre | The iPhone Blog
Fadelight
Android Expert
The belief that the patent has anything to do with MT being disabled is a farce. The patent also covers "Swipe-to-scroll", which the phones all have. It is in the exact same patent as MT.
Things have been happening pretty fast in the past couple of days... the OTA was posted on the net what... 3-4 days before the official OTA was supposed to occur? Less than 12 hours later, the droid was rooted? I say just lay low for a week and watch everything unfold. I see good things in the very near future.
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Things have been happening pretty fast in the past couple of days... the OTA was posted on the net what... 3-4 days before the official OTA was supposed to occur? Less than 12 hours later, the droid was rooted? I say just lay low for a week and watch everything unfold. I see good things in the very near future.
Gunner
Android Enthusiast
Yeah, as in VZW 'prefers' to not get engaged in a lengthy, expensive court battle w/ Apple. Not to mention that VZW is famous for crippling their phones, be it for internal profit motives, or possible legal pressure, and then not caring if it pisses off their own customers.
And had the Droid come w/ MT outta the box, Moto would have also been named in a suit by Apple, and I can guarantee you Moto (w/ their cell division on the brink of failure - until now) is not interested in legal battles w/ the evil fruit. Google could, financially speaking, go toe-to-toe w/ Apple all day, but apparently they've weighed their potential legal ammo and don't feel it's worth fighting. At least that's the prevailing presumption.
But the Droid eris has MT doesnt it.....thats where the confusion starts....if this is a VZW related issue.
I see that option in the default browser settings, but not in the Dolphin browser settings. Where is it?
gotwillk
Android Enthusiast
thats cuz its not in the dolphin settings. doesn't have that ability.
The ONLY thing I want multitouch for is the dang keyboard. I type too fast for the current droid to handle cause I got used to the iphone's keyboard. I remember someone saying that multitouch really is just a "switch" or two, rather than just being application based. I hope someone with time and knowledge will look into it. I'm going to replace the keyboard ticks with those from the iphone, too 
Gunner
Android Enthusiast
Agreed the US patent system is a joke.
But I have no love for Apple when their COO makes comments like this....Apple "will not stand for having our (intellectual property) ripped off, and we'll use whatever weapons that we have at our disposal."
Statements like that come from pure greed and/or fear about the competition producing devices the rival or surpass the jesusphone.
Gunner
Android Enthusiast
True, and that's why Moto's statement about 'carrier preference' is BS. Apparently HTC, being based in Taiwan, can get away w/ including their own MT code on the Eris. Note that it's HTC's code, not Google's.
Gunner
Android Enthusiast
I disagree, but only the exec's at Apple, Google, etc really know the answer. There's no other logical explanation, other than legal pressure, for the Droid not having MT, especially when the Milestone - out of Apple's legal reach - has it. Having MT & pinch/zoom has always been a key part of Apple's iphone marketing strategy.
Agreed. Shouldn't be long for the Milestone to get rooted.
Right but it debunks their claims of it being a carrier choice as u have said...but I guess for the average consumer it would be too much to explain away. Either way I hope the roms come soon or an exploit to get it from the milestone.
gonzoguy24
Android Expert
This will all be taken care of in time now that the phone is rooted. Hold yer horses
Wait, the Eris has multi-touch? In what way? The Google apps have it? I thought multi-touch support was added to Android in 2.0?
As far as swipe to scroll in the patent, the patent actually refers to how an app responds to reaching the end of a file or document - the "rebound" animation. It does not cover simple swipe to scroll.
Of course, this is not an origin patent, it is a tenth or so generation derivative patent. IE someone patents touching a screen, then someone patents touching a screen twice, then someone patents touching a screen with one finger moving and the other finger not moving, then someone patents touching the screen with one finger moving, the other finger not moving, while the user stands on his or her head, and so on.
As far as swipe to scroll in the patent, the patent actually refers to how an app responds to reaching the end of a file or document - the "rebound" animation. It does not cover simple swipe to scroll.
Of course, this is not an origin patent, it is a tenth or so generation derivative patent. IE someone patents touching a screen, then someone patents touching a screen twice, then someone patents touching a screen with one finger moving and the other finger not moving, then someone patents touching the screen with one finger moving, the other finger not moving, while the user stands on his or her head, and so on.
sooper_droid12
Android Expert
It's not a myth. Go check out the number of patents PENDING. Here's the confusion though: Apple can't patent gestures like swiping or pinching. It's like saying I want to patent "pointing" or "smiling." Apple can't do that. However, what they CAN do is patent a gesture that is linked to a function on a particular environment; for example, they can patent the gesture "pinching" for the purpose of "zooming in/out" on the platform "smartphones." In that way, Apple has a 380+ page patent on these kinds of gestures for "pinch zoom," various "swiping" motions, etc.
Multi-touch wasn't developed by Apple and thus, they are not patenting "multi-touch." This technology was developed a while before Apple implemented it in their iPhone technology. However, just because other devices implement various usages of MT, doesn't mean they aren't liable. Nokia is in the midst of a lawsuit against Apple for multiple IP infringements, but they didn't litigate until TWO YEARS after Apple sold millions of units. Remember, their disbursement from litigation will be based on how many units Apple sold with the technology.
As it stands, the patents are pending, so there is a possibility that they could be denied, just as likely as they could be approved. That being said, if they WERE approved, I would highly DOUBT that Apple would go after Palm as Apple has used a number of Palm's technologies into their iPhone. HTC on the other hand, might be fair game, but at this point, they haven't moved a lot of devices to pop up as a threat to Apple's radar. That being said, a juggernaut like the DROID has turned out to be (selling 800K units, likely 1M by the end of Q4) might be a lucrative target for Apple.
This may have factored into VZW, Google and Motorola's decision not to include pinch zoom and others of Apple's IP. If the DROID is a hit, then if and when the patents get approved, the DROID and all its developers are in the clear. But it isn't a myth. The patent is public domain. Read it for yourself.
sooper_droid12
Android Expert
The first thing Apple will do once the patents are approved are issue "cease and desist" letters to those developers infringing on the technology. If Apple acts on it, then it is likely that you will see that functionality removed from HTC Sense UI all together. The irony of it all is, Apple fanboys (and fangirls) adopted the Apple culture because they were supposedly the antithesis of Microsoft (the supposed evil empire). I laugh because Apple is just as evil, if not more evil. Of course, I say this holding a phone powered with Google (another company that's rapidly got its fingers in more and more things).
Gunner
Android Enthusiast
The browser and I think the gallery have it. Not sure if Maps has it. HTC coded it in themselves.
tranzz
Member
Getting back down to the original question, it should by now seem obvious that you won't find the technically correct answer here. Running google searches won't help you a lot either, but other types of web searches will lead you to places where the answer is already posted, and details of implementation are being discussed.
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All it takes is 1 thief for you, or anyone, to loose something.
You can't get blood out of a turnip.
Do you think that apple would be interested in suing you?
Go do it.