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Help HP Touchpad with ICS "SD Card Removed" Problem

stef7 said:
I'm running CM10 circa 2013. I don't know what patch you are referring to, but isn't the internal memory partitioned? if yes, then I think it *could* matter if you move stuff.

I could be incorrect; I was looking for and asked for a more descriptive explanation. I'm far from stupid. (Most of the time). :smokingsomb:
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How am I supposed to know what patch? That was my question to vinodhc, so you will have to wait for his answer.

I don't get your question. If you want to know how the CM team sets up the memory partitions for the CM install, you will have to ask them. What I am addressing here is that moving 50 apps to ones FAKE SD card causes it to unmount. J.C. Sullins created a patch that robs up to two megs of memory from that allocated to the SD card and assigns it to the internal memory space. This gives one additional internal memory and hopefully enough that there is no need to move apps to the FAKE SD card.

Did you even read my first reply to you? I thought I gave a very detailed explanation of why one would want to increase their internal memory and not move apps off to the SD card. I originally injected myself into this discussion because every time Colchiro gave a logical answer to you and johna2u, it's like you two were not getting it.

It's very simple, try to move more than 50 apps off to the FAKE SD card and it will become unmounted. Use the memory fix provided by J.C. Sullins to increase one's internal memory, problem solved. Another easy fix for this would be not to try to install the entire Play Store on one's TouchPad.:D
 
mogelijk said:
I'm not sure this is actually true. From what I recall, I've read that the Touchpad was initially built for Android and was switched to WebOS after HP bought Palm. I also recall that HP did have Android working on the Touchpad -- in fact a few Touchpad buyers got machines with Android instead of WebOS.
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NT and I are familiar with the history. :D

If I recall correctly, the Android tablets that were inadvertently sold were not 100% functional, which in my mind would make them preliminary or test versions, not at all like the finished webOS product. Bear in mind they were also based on a much older version of Android, GB I think.
 
I just looked this up on wikipedia because the previous comments peaked my curiosity. According to wikipedia. Android was used to test the hardware during early manufacture because webos was lagging behind and was not yet available. The touchpad was never intended to run android.
 
I'm really enjoying my Touch pads. It's history and the way it has been adopted by the development community is so cool. They are almost mythical beasts. I've flashed them back and forth between cm9 and cm10. I have two. One for me and one for my wife. Both were in perfect physical condition but were barely functional because they had alpha1 cm7 on them. Funky WiFi etc. I bought them for a steal. 60.00 for my 16gig and 145.00 for my wife's 32 gig. Read all the guides and now we have two awesome tablets. These are about my 11th and 12th android tablets (maybe more, I lost count) Started with a coby 7" with a resistive screen Android 2.1 (no flash support until 2.2 so I've gone full circle on that one) and first got into the forums trying to get the market on them. The moment you hit enter to start flashing something and the screen goes black is kind of a rush. Will it wake up or did I just brick it? Then something that should take ten minutes keeps you up all night because it just didn't seem to work and the tablet is dead. What did I miss? Back to pouring over the forums. My kinda fun. My wife thinks I'm crazy. What does all that have do with the topic at hand? . Nothing. I just felt like sharing.
 
I usually suggest walking away while it flashing, go reroof the house or something and don't come back for about 15 minutes, otherwise you'll just kill yourself with regret. :D
 
Good idea. Walk away. It often takes much, much longer than you think it should. The surest way to brick something is to panic and start hitting buttons, unplugging, giving it the Heimlich maneuver etc.
 
I find the lines of code racing up the screen kind of mesmerizing and hypnotic. When I see my two penguin buddies pop up, I know we are off to the races. I have watched enough installs that I know that even when one of the big pauses comes along that scares so many, is just a sign of more good to come. What used to worry me was the huge wait in CM7 after the first install, watching the boot animation running and running and wondering if it would every end. And there were times when they didn't. But then all one had to do was install the from via cwm to fix it. CM9 and 10 are just light years ahead of 7.
 
I like the "updating apps" in CM10, where you had only boot logo in older versions. At least you know what it's doing.
 
Nevertells said:
What fix did you apply? Go read my post to stef7 about this. Hopefully that explains this for you sufficiently. As long as one has enough internal memory, it's not going to slow down the device and the memory fix from the link Colchiro posted does that. And the memory fix works for all versions of CM.
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I was so disappointed that i stopped using my tp. This is the fix I applied and that too twice - The fsck_msdos fix: http://www.mediafire...g52q4zr03c3z1gx

It was posted in the thread - CM7: Fixes for SDCARD issues - HP Touchpad - RootzWiki

It also stated that
The other fixes are not true fixes, but work-arounds for the 50+ apps on sdcard issue. One of them allows you to increase the size of your 'Internal storage' so you do not have to move apps to the 'sdcard'. The other allows you to move these apps back to the 'Internal storage' after you have encountered the 50+ issue.
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So are you saying increasing internal storage is not a workaround?

Can you give me the link to your post to stef7
 
vinodhc said:
I was so disappointed that i stopped using my tp. This is the fix I applied and that too twice - The fsck_msdos fix: http://www.mediafire...g52q4zr03c3z1gx

It was posted in the thread - CM7: Fixes for SDCARD issues - HP Touchpad - RootzWiki

It also stated that

So are you saying increasing internal storage is not a workaround?

Can you give me the link to your post to stef7
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I don't get what you want us to tell you. I have given very explicit answers to stef7 and you about what the issue is and why if one does not want to run into the 50 app limit, then they install the patch that increases their internal memory so they have enough room. J.C. Sullins calls them workarounds in that thread. I never said they weren't. I'm sorry you don't like the option of having to use a workaround, but that's the only option you have. OH, to answer your other question, CM10 is not going to fix the 50 app problem. It has the same internal memory as CM9. I don't get what your problem is. The CM team created a rom that sets the internal space/data partition to 1.48GB. J.C. Sullins created a patch that gives you the option to increase it from 256mb up to 2048mb. If you add the 2048mb(2GB) patch, you end up with 3.48GB of internal space. OH, and get this. Someone figured out if you apply it twice, you end up with 5045GB internal space. You are out of options dude. It's time to workaround or go home.;)

And one more thing, you don't add the fsck_msdos to CM9 or 10. That patch was merged over a year ago.
 
Nevertells said:
I don't get what you want us to tell you. I have given very explicit answers to stef7 and you about what the issue is and why if one does not want to run into the 50 app limit, then they install the patch that increases their internal memory so they have enough room. J.C. Sullins calls them workarounds in that thread. I never said they weren't. I'm sorry you don't like the option of having to use a workaround, but that's the only option you have. OH, to answer your other question, CM10 is not going to fix the 50 app problem. It has the same internal memory as CM9. I don't get what your problem is. The CM team created a rom that sets the internal space/data partition to 1.48GB. J.C. Sullins created a patch that gives you the option to increase it from 256mb up to 2048mb. If you add the 2048mb(2GB) patch, you end up with 3.48GB of internal space. OH, and get this. Someone figured out if you apply it twice, you end up with 5045GB internal space. You are out of options dude. It's time to workaround or go home.;)

And one more thing, you don't add the fsck_msdos to CM9 or 10. That patch was merged over a year ago.
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Because Sullins called it a workaround and because he stated that applying the fsk_msdos fix will solve the issue and it did not I wanted to understand what was the real fix. You have answered my question that increasing the partition is the only option and that the SD card is fake anyways. Now it is clear to me. Thanks.

I just want to say one more thing. Just because you have knowledge of something that I don't does not give you the right to be arrogant or rude. Sharing of knowledge with others only increases yours. There are many other people who have knowledge of things that you do not. So remember that before you show your arrogance.
 
Nevertells, I appreciate your informative posts as well. A tweaked posting style should win you more followers.
 
Just because you don't like messenger doesn't make the news less accurate. NT's still one of the best sources of support we have. I'm also not known for my patience or finesse. </endrant>

As a test, I tried the 512 mb patch to increase the data partition on my wife's TP, but it failed so I used the webOS app "tailor", to fix the errors in my data partition. I then used tailor to resize data to 2012 mb. Turns out the errors were fixed, but I ended up with 2047 files in my \data\lost+found folder, which took over an hour to delete.
 
Colchiro. The style and delivery are worth some introspection... Look at it as constructive comments offered to NT, that if operationalized, will never cease to serve him, and thus others many times over. The issue was never the message. S.
 
I understand how Nevertells can lose his patience from time to time. I'm a moderator on another forum and sometimes it can seem as if you are answering the same question a hundred times over and you know the answer is already there in black and white if the person would just read the %&$# forum posts!!! But you just have to remember there are new people every day discovering the joys of Android, touch pads, knitting or whatever the subject is and be nice.
 
colchiro said:
What's wrong? Vinodhc found out what's wrong. :D

I would think Google and CM know the best place to install apps, after all they developed your rom. You know more than them?
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I guess I missed your reply to my question. Moving apps to sdcard is a basic function of android. There's a button right there in settings -> apps . Move to sdcard/move to tablet. Google built in that feature and it is in the cm version too. You say it causes problems. I'd like more info on that if you don't mind. I know some apps can't be moved but most seem fine to me. I've never had any issues moving apps to sdcard. But if there is a reason I shouldn't do it I'd like to know what it is.
 
I'm still not getting why exactly it's a problem. Moving apps to sdcard frees up internal storage. I move as many as possible to sdcard. File managers, systems tools, and apps with widgets don't like to be moved but otherwise I don't see an issue.

In my other life I have a Le Pan ll tablet. Very similar specs to the touchpad. Same processor etc. It's biggest flaw (other than they never released source code) is the sdcard situation. It has 8 GB built in storage and a removable 32 GB card. The problem with the Le Pan is the removable card is designated sdcard2. There is no way to move apps to sdcard 2 so you are stuck with the limited internal 8 GB sdcard. (5.25 available). You run out of room quick on that machine. Apps to SD has been a big topic in Le Pan Land.

In general I think its best to limit the number of apps to only those you really use. Every app installed is an opportunity for problems. People tend to load up on apps because they are free for the most part. Don't be an app piggy, I say!

But anyway I've never heard that app to SD is a bad thing in general. So what's the reasoning?
 
johna2u said:
In general I think its best to limit the number of apps to only those you really use. Every app installed is an opportunity for problems.
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That's the problem.

There's no performance gain on the TP by moving an app to the sdcard because it has no sdcard slot. The "sdcard" is just another partition on the same chip as internal storage.

The problem is when they try to move all of them to the scard.
 
@vinodhc and stef7,

If you think my post was rude and arrogant, then you have not seen me in action. Post #38 was tame by my standards. If fact I thought it was quite helpful. I covered the 50 app limit again, answered the question about CM10 not fixing it, mentioned the options one has using the different memory patches and even mentioned a little trick that most folks don't know about. And I cleared up the fact that you were trying to install a patch(fsck_msdos) that had already been merged.
I even put a cute little smiley face at the end to indicate a friendly tone to my post.

You should try tracking some of my others posts here and elsewhere. I'm generally a nice guy and only loose my patience when folks repeatedly ignore the advice given. And you were kind of starting to do that.:D

It seems we are all on the same page now, so let's press forward.

(Note the little smiley face again)
 
Nevertells said:
@vinodhc and stef7,

If you think my post was rude and arrogant, then you have not seen me in action. Post #38 was tame by my standards. If fact I thought it was quite helpful. I covered the 50 app limit again, answered the question about CM10 not fixing it, mentioned the options one has using the different memory patches and even mentioned a little trick that most folks don't know about. And I cleared up the fact that you were trying to install a patch(fsck_msdos) that had already been merged.
I even put a cute little smiley face at the end to indicate a friendly tone to my post.

You should try tracking some of my others posts here and elsewhere. I'm generally a nice guy and only loose my patience when folks repeatedly ignore the advice given. And you were kind of starting to do that.:D

It seems we are all on the same page now, so let's press forward.

(Note the little smiley face again)
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I was not ignoring the advice you give. I had got somewhat different advice on sullin's thread so was trying to understand the right thing to do.

It was not just what you posted in #38 but I was reading your previous posts as well. If you really want to help people which I guess you do that is why you are on these forums answering people's queries, you need to be more patient.

Coming back to the solution, Thanks once again. I will increase my internal storage. Can I just make the entire size as my internal storage? I.e. make my sd card partition 0?
 
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