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HTC EVO 3D LTE/WIMAX capabilities
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BlackDynamite
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Those guys will charge for access with LTE, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't also charge for Wimax if they had Wimax instead of LTE.
My guess is if Sprint charges for tethering on Wimax, they would probably charge for tethering on LTE. If Sprint doesn't charge for youtube on Wimax, they probably won't charge for youtube on LTE.
By the way, Verizon has unlimited LTE for $30 per month. They aren't charging extra for certain sites like Metro PCS. And T-Mobile not only doesn't charge extra for certain sites, but they don't even have LTE anyway.
my bet and guess...
v..is unlimited data access... but does not mean they will not reduce access to some sites...till you pay for full speed access. or they can cut access to some sites all together till you pay. you pay for a all you can eat buffet, but there is a menu of items that cost extra! thunderbolt and iphone unlimited $30 will have a surprise coming later!!!!!
from what is posted by those that say they know...
wimax is way cheaper.. to put up and maintain and provide..
so carriers that want to do full access can afford too.
LTE is expensive in all aspects.. so laws of business and ROI.. equals customers paying more. ( there is NO getting around this)
v..is unlimited data access... but does not mean they will not reduce access to some sites...till you pay for full speed access. or they can cut access to some sites all together till you pay. you pay for a all you can eat buffet, but there is a menu of items that cost extra! thunderbolt and iphone unlimited $30 will have a surprise coming later!!!!!
from what is posted by those that say they know...
wimax is way cheaper.. to put up and maintain and provide..
so carriers that want to do full access can afford too.
LTE is expensive in all aspects.. so laws of business and ROI.. equals customers paying more. ( there is NO getting around this)
BlackDynamite
Android Expert
Well you can predict Verizon will start charging for access to certain sites, and I can predict Sprint will do the same even on Wimax. The fact is, neither carrier does that right now even though 1 is using Wimax and the other is using LTE.
Sprint can absolutely start charging for certain levels of access if they want, even over Wimax. And of you don't believe me, then just look at their policy on tethering. They block it unless you pay extra. And their Wimax provider, Clearwire, sells a personal hotspot device that they only allow to be used with Apple products. Some hackers "jailbroke" it so that it could be used with other devices and Clearwire responded by blocking the "jailbroken" personal hotspots from their network.
I appreciate your concerns, but the same stuff that you fear on LTE also happens on Wimax. It's the carrier who decides what they will (or won't) charge, not some fine print in the technology's standard or whatever.
Verizon LTE is truly unlimited right now, and has been since it launched last year. Clearwire, on the other hand, has been throttling Wimax speeds to the point where there is a class action lawsuit filed by their customers against them right now.
BlackDynamite
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What will be proven in 1 year? Again, if Sprint goes to LTE and starts charging extra, it doesn't mean they would not have started charging extra if they stayed with Wimax. And if they stay with Wimax and don't start charging extra, it doesn't mean they would have started charging extra if they went to LTE. And even if they go to LTE and don't charge extra, it doesn't mean they won't start charging extra someday (just like you say Verizon will start charging extra someday).
Sprint may or may not start charging extra. But it doesn't matter if they stay with Wimax or change to LTE, they still may or may not start charging extra.
wow...
me banging my head on brick wall...
you remind me of a friend in college.. she is very religious...catholic.
the bible was her history book. Dinosaurs were not in the bible, so they do not exist. no matter what.. it was a lie and a conspiracy of government to take down the mass religion.
from some articles and information that was found:
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html
but to you .. they are all wrong.. no matter what... you can find a way to make it possible for your view point only.. like my friend and dinosaurs.
ps.. i am not saying that I am right.. just that if it walks and sounds and taste like a duck...
me banging my head on brick wall...
you remind me of a friend in college.. she is very religious...catholic.
the bible was her history book. Dinosaurs were not in the bible, so they do not exist. no matter what.. it was a lie and a conspiracy of government to take down the mass religion.
from some articles and information that was found:
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html
but to you .. they are all wrong.. no matter what... you can find a way to make it possible for your view point only.. like my friend and dinosaurs.
ps.. i am not saying that I am right.. just that if it walks and sounds and taste like a duck...
BlackDynamite
Android Expert
Dude, you better check your sources on that. Here's a hint; half of your first post in that link is quoting ME.
Speaking of if it walks, sounds, and tastes like a duck... Verizon has LTE right now, is not charging extra for certain sites, is not throttling speed, and has a true unlimited plan for $30.
Now you're here saying I'm the one ignoring all the evidence and writing off obvious facts as conspiracy theories and so on. You want to check your facts? Again, right now Verizon, the only nationwide LTE network in the nation right now, has a true unlimited LTE pan for $30 per month. And yet I am supposed to believe that a switch to LTE automatically means Sprint will start charging extra to access youtube?
Again, and I hope you can understand this, if Sprint wants to start charging extra for certain content, they don't have to wait for an LTE rollout to start doing it. Verizon may or may not start charging extra for certain content. It doesn't mean they wouldn't do the exact same thing if they had Wimax instead of LTE. Same with Sprint. What and how a carrier decides to charge you is not dependent on their 4G technology.
You want to know why Verizon went with LTE? Because it is the official standard in Europe. Much like GSM is the standard, LTE means Long Term Evolution and is the official upgrade from GSM. Verizon was simply going with the technology that the rest of the world chose to adopt. It has nothing to do with any secret controls that allow them to charge you more. They could charge you as much as they want with Wimax, just like they can with LTE. At least not in this country. The FCC's Net Neutrality rules dictate what type of content a carrier can charge extra for. and that supercedes any Wimax or LTE fine print. If Wimax or LTE want their technology to operate in this country, then it MUST comply with the FCC rules. And the FCC rules are clear on what a carrier can and can't do.
Don't mistake me (or anyone) saying Verizon is a greedy company that will charge you as much as they possibly can, with me (or anyone) saying Verizon can only charge you extra if they roll out LTE instead of Wimax.
BlackDynamite you are wrong, period, end of story.
Will sprint launch lte in the future, yes, they probably will, alongside wimax.
As for everything you say, take it from a person that does it for a living, you are 100% wrong about pretty much everything you said.
The fcc does not actually have laws on anything. In fact, according to Verizon, the fcc does not have the authority to do anything with the wireless sector.
For anyone that is reading the last few post, do the research. The only reason sprint is considering lte is for investors. Lot of people that do not understand anything about wireless INVEST in wireless companies. Sprint is just trying to make sure that INVESTORS are not going to get too scared about them not going with the herd.
But BlackDynamite, how many companies in europe are going lte and how many wimax. I know the answer, you really don't. And your lte phone bought in the usa WILL NOT ROAM IN THE REST OF THE WORLD.
Wimax was launched in Europe, BEFORE it was launched in USA. You may be the loudest person here, but you are really wrong, on so many levels.
Right now wimax covers over 1 billion people world wide.
In the end, verizon will have to break down and use wimax to back haul LTE. When that happens, you will start to see roaming on other peoples nextwork with both lte and wimax, but the htc evo 3d will also be a 5-10 year old phone by then.
One last thing, it cost about a 1/10th of the money to add wimax to a phone then it does to add lte. It is about 1/100th the money to adda wimax base station compared to lte base station.
Will sprint launch lte in the future, yes, they probably will, alongside wimax.
As for everything you say, take it from a person that does it for a living, you are 100% wrong about pretty much everything you said.
The fcc does not actually have laws on anything. In fact, according to Verizon, the fcc does not have the authority to do anything with the wireless sector.
For anyone that is reading the last few post, do the research. The only reason sprint is considering lte is for investors. Lot of people that do not understand anything about wireless INVEST in wireless companies. Sprint is just trying to make sure that INVESTORS are not going to get too scared about them not going with the herd.
But BlackDynamite, how many companies in europe are going lte and how many wimax. I know the answer, you really don't. And your lte phone bought in the usa WILL NOT ROAM IN THE REST OF THE WORLD.
Wimax was launched in Europe, BEFORE it was launched in USA. You may be the loudest person here, but you are really wrong, on so many levels.
Right now wimax covers over 1 billion people world wide.
In the end, verizon will have to break down and use wimax to back haul LTE. When that happens, you will start to see roaming on other peoples nextwork with both lte and wimax, but the htc evo 3d will also be a 5-10 year old phone by then.
One last thing, it cost about a 1/10th of the money to add wimax to a phone then it does to add lte. It is about 1/100th the money to adda wimax base station compared to lte base station.
BlackDynamite
Android Expert
You are wrong. From someone else that also works in the industry. The FCC absolutely has authority to regulate wireless carriers. Verizon may not agree with that, but they are still bound by the rules.
Verizon is currently challenging that in court, so it may or may not hold up. But right now, today, Verizon is absolutely bound to the rules of the FCC.
And yes, I am aware that Wimax was rolled out in Europe before the USA. I am also aware that LTE was adopted as the official 4G technology of the EU, and the official 4G upgrade path of GSM.
How many end users of cell carriers are using Wimax? You pad the numbers pretty well. Wimax may be in use, but it is rarely used the way Sprint is using it (4G data on an end user's cell phone). LTE is what every single carrier in Europe will be offering. In fact, the Russian carriers all agreed to work together to roll out a single nationwide LTE network that will be shared and used by all of them- including the one that had previously been selling Wimax.
And yes, you absolutely will be able to roam on LTE after everyone rolls it out and the phones are made for it. In fact, the federal government is discussing that very issue right now. Look for the FCC to announce roaming rules within the next few weeks.
Verizon may very well use Wimax for backhaul. I'm guessing Sprint will too. And then you can add all those subscribers to the "over 1 billion people" using Wimax, even though 90% of them (or more) are using something else and Wimax is only used on the back end, or as a home broadband solution- not as 4G data on their cell phone.
I can't have a conversation with someone that will not use a google search. LTE is the only offical upgrade of gsm. My god, do a google search.
I am going to need to yell here because, he will not do a search.
THE SPECTRUM FOR MOST OF EUROPE HAS NOT BEEN SOLD!!! IN FACT, THE EU IS CURRENTLY DEBATING THE WHOLE MATTER. IT CAN NOT BE OFFICAL IF THERE HAS NOT BEEN A OFFICIAL.
Ok, just looked at the euro numbers. Total population right now, 830,364,178 people. Total coverage by lte in 2015, 82 million people covered in 2015, at current roll out.* est. Depending if they can get their spectrum straightened out.
Why? Because some of the major countries in europe are not releasing the 800mhz spectrum until after 2015, because they have to transition broadcasts off that spectrum.
It is like having a conversation with a brick wall.
Oh an please link to the rules regarding pay to use services on a mobile device. I would love to read that work of fiction.
BlackDynamite
Android Expert
You are wrong. Period. LTE has been adopted as the upgrade to GSM.
Maybe they will barely have any rolled out in 2015, maybe they will go faster than their current pace (almost certainly will). It doesn't change the fact that they are not selling Wimax as a 4G data service for mobile phones, and have no plans to do so in the future. The Russian carrier that was, is now part of the group of Russian carriers combining their efforts for a nationwide LTE rollout.
Oh yeah, here's the link to the FCC rules that you asked for:
http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2010/db1223/FCC-10-201A1.pdf
You can champion Wimax all you want. But don't pretend it has any chance of becoming the default worldwide 4G for mobile phones. It doesn't, and we both know that.
BlackDynamite
Android Expert
The carriers are going with LTE because GSM is the official European standard, and LTE is the official upgrade for GSM. Verizon is owned by a European GSM carrier who has wanted Verizon to change to GSM for quite a while now.
I won't have my EVO 3D more than 2 years so I could careless if it can do LTE. I'm lost on why ppl thinking of getting this phone on or near lauch care about LTE to the point of getting emotional about it. Sprint can barely get WiMax out to everyone. They move slow and I'm sure they'll phase WiMax out not just end it, lol.
I know squat about the business logistics of wireless/cellular technology, but my assumption is by 2015 the marketing campaign will be 5g. Can LTE networks do 5g?
5g/4g/3g/2g are just marketing terms
LTE is long term evolution. Which means though it will go though upgrades, ie lte-a, it will not use 4g/5g naming.
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Once again. You did not bother to read the document.
What does that say? "compete with their voice and video." Well that is easy, youtube, facebook, steam, netflix, and the hundred other web services are not competing agains anything verizon and att offer. My god.
Verizon has argued and is currently arguing that lte is not mobile broadband. Just wireless data. Which means the rules, as little as they are, don't even apply to them.
For wimax, there is not way for wimax to block an app, it is just not possible. LTE was written to make sure access is at the server level.
LTE checks every time you connect what you are allowed to view and not allowed.
BlackDynamite
Android Expert
I have read that document several times. And I understand that it allows wireless carriers to block and filter certain things, and prevents them from blocking others. For the record, I think the net neutrality rules are a sham. They don't go anywhere near far enough.
And Verizon is currently contesting these rules and the fcc authority, but they are still bound by them while it plays out in court. Verizon is widely expected to lose their challenge, by the way. The fcc's nationwide broadband plan is largely based on 4G being available to rural areas and used as home broadband.
And you are dead wrong about not being able to block anything on Wimax. Ever heard of deep packet inspection? It can easily be implemented on a Wimax network and used to filter out whatever you want.
Not really, not on alive live network. You would have to bring the towers to a halt.
But you are still just randomly saying stuff. So let me take care of this.
Sprint will make WiMAX an open platform with an SDK and open APIs | TechRepublic
I can provided hundreds of examples.
lordofthereef
Android Expert
Just playing devil's advocate. The article you posted was over 2 years old. Why are you quoting it? I hardly think a 2 year old article proves that Sprint is still wanting to stick with WiMax TODAY.
BlackDynamite
Android Expert
Actually, let me clear this up, deep packet inspection can absolutely be done on Wimax, and there are hundreds of links returned with a quick google search:
http://www.eetimes.com/design/communications-design/4016273/Access-Service-Network-in-WiMAX-The-role-of-ASN-GW-Part-III/
By the way, that link you posted about it being open source was outdated. We know that Sprint is cleary not activating 3rd party devices that aren't branded by Sprint, so that article is wrong.
My point in all of this remains valid: if Sprint is going to violate net neutrality and start restricting access/charging extra for certain websites, they can do that over Wimax, they don't have to switch to LTE. And just because they switch to LTE doesn't mean they will violate net neutrality and start restricting access/charging extra for certain sites. And yes, I also know that some of the things I consider net neutrality violations are totally legal.
If you are not going to read your own links I cant help you. Once again, like the fcc read you are not actually reading what you post.
Here is a hint, your article is almost as old as mine, lol.
As for the two year old artcile ok, fine, you provide a 3 year old article that says,
"ASN-GW data plane may provide deep packet inspection "
May, doesnt not mean in 2011 it does. If you bother to read the article, it is not real time deep packet inspection, the kind you would use for limiting access, but to prioritize a network for traffic flow.
For those following at home, it allows the network to see if you are streaming video, playing games, peer to peer, or browsing the web, once it knows what you are doing, it can managed an overwhelmed network. For example, voice and video chats are given higher access to resources over browsing.
But that can not and will not be able to report real time usage which is kind of the point to our conversation because you cant use it for limiting access. It is only for network shaping.
So clear's modems are not using sprints network, lol. Comcast modems are not using clear's or sprint network? Really, lol, GOOGLE IT!!!!
As for network access, yes it does. If there is an open wimax network available, your device will roam on it 100%, I do it every time I go into work, anyone wimax device can.
You can roam on clear, sprint, comcast, time warner, and the 93 other wimax networks currently available in the united states. If there is a signal, it will connect. Most hospitals have included wimax for inter hospital communications, and yep you can connect to that network with out any setup, if there is a signal you are good to go.
If you want to keep this up I can play all day long.
Article 4 DAYS OLD!!! 4 days old.
lordofthereef
Android Expert
Ok, so, what are you trying to prove? I am still unclear.
The most notworthy "proof" of Sprint's wimax being dead in the water is that they haven't expanded their footprint in god knows how long. let's say they aren't looking into LTE. Why is it taking them so long to get more of their users onto wimax?
The most notworthy "proof" of Sprint's wimax being dead in the water is that they haven't expanded their footprint in god knows how long. let's say they aren't looking into LTE. Why is it taking them so long to get more of their users onto wimax?
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