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I want iPhone 4

Are you sure the Android phones you mentioned only have 16-bit colors? Correct me if I am wrong, but since Android 2.0 I thought the OS + the Samsung AMOLED screen that the Nexus One uses are capable of displaying 16 million colours.

100%. Google is your friend.
Google "Nexus One 65,000" "Nexus 16 bit" "HTC Incredible 65,000", "HTC 16 bit", "Evo 16-bit", "Evo 65,000"
This forum also has a search feature.

The HTC Nexus One, Droid Incredible, Sprint EVO all have a maximum color of 65,000 or 16 bit. It doesn't hurt to use Google.

From this very own forum:

http://androidforums.com/support-tr...sibly-upgraded-16m-colors-through-root-2.html


HTC

HTC Incredible vs. Motorola Droid vs. Nexus One Debate - Droid Forum - Verizon Droid & the Motorola Droid Forum

androfun - HTC EVO 4G Specs Published By Sprint

http://phandroid.com/2010/03/23/htc-evo-4g-specs-published-by-sprint/

I can probably find 10-20 links on this.

And no, the Nexus One is only 16-bit

http://androidforums.com/nexus-one/47519-nexus-ones-dirty-display-secret-16-bit-color.html
 
100%. Google is your friend.
Google "Nexus One 65,000" "Nexus 16 bit" "HTC Incredible 65,000", "HTC 16 bit", "Evo 16-bit", "Evo 65,000"
This forum also has a search feature.

The HTC Nexus One, Droid Incredible, Sprint EVO all have a maximum color of 65,000 or 16 bit. It doesn't hurt to use Google.

From this very own forum:

http://androidforums.com/support-tr...sibly-upgraded-16m-colors-through-root-2.html


HTC

HTC Incredible vs. Motorola Droid vs. Nexus One Debate - Droid Forum - Verizon Droid & the Motorola Droid Forum

androfun - HTC EVO 4G Specs Published By Sprint

HTC EVO 4G Specs Published By Sprint | Android Phone Fans

I can probably find 10-20 links on this.

And no, the Nexus One is only 16-bit

http://androidforums.com/nexus-one/47519-nexus-ones-dirty-display-secret-16-bit-color.html
Thanks. But according to XDA (The Nexus One's Dirty Display Secret - xda-developers), the 16-bit colours are only used in the native apps. If you use 3rd party browsers and gallery apps there are no banding effects when viewing images. I believe the conclusion they have is that the 16-bit problem is a software issue, not hardware, as the screen itself is capable of handling more than 65k colours. I am not very tech savvy so I could be wrong :)
 
Thanks. But according to XDA (The Nexus One's Dirty Display Secret - xda-developers), the 16-bit colours are only used in the native apps. If you use 3rd party browsers and gallery apps there are no banding effects when viewing images. I believe the conclusion they have is that the 16-bit problem is a software issue, not hardware, as the screen itself is capable of handling more than 65k colours. I am not very tech savvy so I could be wrong :)

I don't know about the Nexus One. the Published spec doesn't say either or.
BUT.... BUT, the published spec for the EVO and the Incredible on both Sprint and Verizon site clearly states 65,000 colors. So if the Incredible is 16-bit published then I assume the Nexus One is the same regardless of what fanboy on XDA says.
 
A4 better than snapdragon?
From my own personal experience. My iPad (A4) is leaps and bounds faster than my 1GHZ Droid Incredible. The battery life is also amazing. So if I get 75% of what the iPad can do in the iPhone 4, then yes, it is better. That is until I see the Galaxy and the newer Snap Dragons. It could also be that Apple is better at optimizing their OS for their own CPU.

is a 3.5" screen with hi-res better than a bigger screen?

It has a PPI higher than most print magazines. It is also a 18-24 bit color display whereas the Nexxus One, Droid Incredible and Sprint EVO 4G are 16-bit with a max of 65,000 colors.

If you are to believe the printed and stated specs, it has a higher pixel density of a printed magazine.

This is a bit hard for me to believe so I have to see this for myself. I'm straining eyes reading 800x480 off my 3.7 DINC so anything that is closer to a printed paper would be mind blowing. Again, we all have to see if this is true or not.

Then why in a browser speed test, did the evo consistently beat the iPad? O.o

Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.
 
I don't know about the Nexus One. the Published spec doesn't say either or.
BUT.... BUT, the published spec for the EVO and the Incredible on both Sprint and Verizon site clearly states 65,000 colors. So if the Incredible is 16-bit published then I assume the Nexus One is the same regardless of what fanboy on XDA says.


Google: Android 2.1 Downgrades Image Quality | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

The published specs for my Acer Liquid is 262k colors and in my gallery/browser, the Mars sunset (from that display comparison site) looks exactly like it does (16-bit) in the Nexus (I am running 2.1). It is an OS thing which should be fixed in the future. There is a chance that it is 24-bit (the Droid clearly is 24-bit as 2.0.1's gallery supported 24-bit and images there looked great but after it got the 2.1 upgrade, the browser/gallery images do not anymore).

If FroYo doesn't have it, Gingerbread probably will. It can be like our MMS lol.
 
One word. ATT. I've heard "but they're getting better, just hang in there" for years. What do they do when they climb up those poles? Get to the top and figure it's time for a lunch break and never come back up? Makes sense

There's no single feature on iPhone 4 that we don't already have on android phones. Evo has video calling over 3g and i suspect more phones this summer will come with a front facing camera too. Besides that...idk...i guess i could put an apple sticker on my incredible if i really wanted to feel hip
 
The iPhone 4 is a nice phone yeah, would definitely be happy with one(used to have a 3G), but it does nothing special what so ever. Yeah it has a very nice screen and all top technology, but so does every other phone coming out now. People need to realise that Apple are very good at marketing and their adverts make you think they've designed something revolutionary and totally new, when in-fact they are just playing catch up - the prime example being the Video Calling.
 
The published specs for my Acer Liquid is 262k colors and in my gallery/browser,

But what I said is still valid. The publish specs for both the EVO and Incredible are 16-bit. The Nexus One is still inconclusive because there is no official publish spec. It could very well still be 16-bit and not be a software issue. Some apps can scale down and not produce banding even in a 16-bit display yet it is still a 16-bit physical display. E.G. my HTC sense photo gallery does a decent job of re-dithering that exact same Mars image and not show banding. It does a better job that the 2.1 gallery app but, the fact remains, my HTC incredible is still 16-bit according to Verizon's published specs.

One other thing to note, even the Motorola Droid's screen produces much sharper; readable text over the N1/Incredible's AMOLED screen.

Have you read Arstechnica scathing review of AMOLED? Those screens may not even produce the resolution they are claiming due to the inherent design of 'pentile pixel arrangement'

Secrets of the Nexus One's screen: science, color, and hacks
 
The iPhone 4 is a nice phone yeah, would definitely be happy with one(used to have a 3G), but it does nothing special what so ever. Yeah it has a very nice screen and all top technology, but so does every other phone coming out now. People need to realise that Apple are very good at marketing and their adverts make you think they've designed something revolutionary and totally new, when in-fact they are just playing catch up - the prime example being the Video Calling.

The thing is that this device kind of is revolutionary for the fact that the metal on the side of the structure acts as the antenna. Nobody else is doing that.
 
The thing is that this device kind of is revolutionary for the fact that the metal on the side of the structure acts as the antenna. Nobody else is doing that.

Thats a feature, not a "revolution". Get over it. That'd be like me saying a phone with a user removeable battery is revolutionary because Apple isn't doing it. Stop buying into garbage marketing.
 
Ok, having been an owner of an iPhone 3G and a 3GS, I can honestly say that I am not impressed with the iPhone 4. I just left AT&T for Verizon due to the horrible service and coverage I get. I am in Metro Washington DC and I constantly was getting dropped calls, failed call attempts, loss of data connection, etc. AT&T's only response is that they are investing $X Billions of dollars over the next few years to upgrade their network. Unfortunately I saw no benefit of it.

I moved to Verizon and I have a Motorola Droid(Incredible was nowhere to be found at the time as it was listed out of stock for several weeks with all stores). I have to say that I am quite impressed with the Android and I really like it and I feel it responds, reacts and functions much better than the iPhone OS does.

I personally don't see the need or want of the iPhone 4 due to the fact that even with the nice items that are new to it, it still does not help it is on a horrible network which is screwing customers every day. It made my day to listen to Jobs squirm when he started having problems with his demo. Mr. Perfect needs to be brought down a few pegs. His numbers were BS too the numbers were from 2007 until now and the sales and access to Android is only recent compared to iPhone. Apple may have led the way into good personal multimedia smartphones and I will agree to that but they have a lot that they need to do in order to keep being good and Android is going to give them a run for their money now. I saw nothing yesterday that makes me want to pick this phone up. Decent looking phone with fixes that needed to be done a couple of version ago and things that just can't be supported or used on the carrier this was given to.
 
The thing is that this device kind of is revolutionary for the fact that the metal on the side of the structure acts as the antenna. Nobody else is doing that.

Yeah and the reason Apple are doing that is because they've been slated for the last 2-3 years for peoples calls dropping. I've never had a problem with signal on any phone so its still not amazing is it?

You have just proved my point that people need to stop falling for Apples marketing and believing they've designed something brand new, because they haven't. I'm not just saying this because I hate Apple either, I used to have an iPhone 3G and loved it and I'm sat here typing this on my Macbook Pro - people should just be aware that it is nothing special at all.
 
damnit I just watched the marketing video for the iPhone 4 and it is pretty sick!

I came back to Verizon last summer (because I was disappointed with AT&Ts service) and I had, in order, an HTC Droid Eris, a MotoDroid, and now I have the DInc. So far, the DInc is the only device that I personally feel holds a candle to the 3GS. So now that 4 is out...I am torn!

Somebody convince me that I should stick with Android...I really like Android but something about iPhone just set the bar for me.
Convince yourself, but look at it this way. In less than a year you've had 3 phones that each has shown enormous leaps in hardware and software technology over the prior one you had. when was the last time you saw that in an Iphone? The pace of hardware (and to a lesser degree software) development on android is such that the latest devices being rumored to be coming down the pipe already outspec the new Iphone in many ways. It's really up to you, you either like android OS or IOS, but from a technological POV, IMHO, Android is the place to be, especially during the next 6 months to a year.

That said, seeing your phone selection in less than a year, it sounds like you are one of those folks who always has to have the latest and greatest when it hits the market, so all this advice is probably wasted on you.
 
Thats a feature, not a "revolution". Get over it. That'd be like me saying a phone with a user removeable battery is revolutionary because Apple isn't doing it. Stop buying into garbage marketing.

Despite whether or not you think it is revolutionary or not, one thing for sure is customers will react with the impression of solid build quality. In the store room, they will see refinement unheralded by no other brand. You have solid glass on both sides, stainless steel, and solid heft versus tupperware plastic. You have a screen with a PPI that matches printed paper, and people will simply walk away with the idea, "wow, I am getting a solidly build piece of hardware." I'm not talking about even how the phone works. I am just talking physical, tactile build quality. People will buy on that alone. Just pick up a Leica M9 and pick up a Canon Rebel SLR? Whether or not you argue which one is better, the Leica has a solid heft that can't be denied.

And you can bet they will be showing iMovie on the new iPhone at the Apple Store. Killer apps are what sell phones. Did you see the iMovie demo? You have to admit (despite where you stand on Android), that is very impressive for a phone.

Making a fully edited music video with slick titles, transitions, music in 2 minutes was pretty impressive. And this is done on a Phone. Again, people, even though they aren't creative will walk away from the show-room; thinking, "hey, I can do that. I can spice up my home video of my kid." Real Estate agents will think, I can make polished videos of houses I can put on my website. Again, on my Phone.
The whole iMovie thing 6-8 years ago was what got me into a mac. The commercial of the two honeymooners inspired me to say to myself, I can do that and I did. I learned iMovie then moved to AVID/Final Cut Pro and it is now a hobby income for me.I,too, thought I could do video editing and I have to say, I am doing that 8 years later as part-time income.

If Android market had an Imovie like app w/ the same quality, I would be willing to pay $49.99 for it.
 
Yeah I am not buying into the marketing at all. There is nobody else that has the antennas as part of the structure. Apple thought outside the box with that one and they managed to make it thinner because of it. For the record that is the only feature I find to be revolutionary. Also iPhones will always be faster than android devices since the apps run on native code and android apps run in a vm. Even when dual core snapdragons come out the iPhone will still be faster since iPhone apps run on native code.

I guess the difference here is what is revolutionary. To me the antenna thing is revolutionary.
 
Yeah I am not buying into the marketing at all. There is nobody else that has the antennas as part of the structure. Apple thought outside the box with that one and they managed to make it thinner because of it. For the record that is the only feature I find to be revolutionary. Also iPhones will always be faster than android devices since the apps run on native code and android apps run in a vm. Even when dual core snapdragons come out the iPhone will still be faster since iPhone apps run on native code.

I guess the difference here is what is revolutionary. To me the antenna thing is revolutionary.

Froyo 2.2

Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.
 
Froyo 2.2

Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.

Yeah 2.2 is impressive but I am still skeptical that it will be able to beat native code even with the faster processor. I really hope google will make me eat my words though.
 
Despite whether or not you think it is revolutionary or not, one thing for sure is customers will react with the impression of solid build quality. In the store room, they will see refinement unheralded by no other brand. You have solid glass on both sides, stainless steel, and solid heft versus tupperware plastic. You have a screen with a PPI that matches printed paper, and people will simply walk away with the idea, "wow, I am getting a solidly build piece of hardware." I'm not talking about even how the phone works. I am just talking physical, tactile build quality. People will buy on that alone. Just pick up a Leica M9 and pick up a Canon Rebel SLR? Whether or not you argue which one is better, the Leica has a solid heft that can't be denied.

And you can bet they will be showing iMovie on the new iPhone at the Apple Store. Killer apps are what sell phones. Did you see the iMovie demo? You have to admit (despite where you stand on Android), that is very impressive for a phone.

Making a fully edited music video with slick titles, transitions, music in 2 minutes was pretty impressive. And this is done on a Phone. Again, people, even though they aren't creative will walk away from the show-room; thinking, "hey, I can do that. I can spice up my home video of my kid." Real Estate agents will think, I can make polished videos of houses I can put on my website. Again, on my Phone.
The whole iMovie thing 6-8 years ago was what got me into a mac. The commercial of the two honeymooners inspired me to say to myself, I can do that and I did. I learned iMovie then moved to AVID/Final Cut Pro and it is now a hobby income for me.I,too, thought I could do video editing and I have to say, I am doing that 8 years later as part-time income.

If Android market had an Imovie like app w/ the same quality, I would be willing to pay $49.99 for it.

Actually no. I was not impressed by iMovie. I don't want to edit a movie on a 3.5 in screen. I barely want to bother with editing pics on a 3.7 in screen. I snag video and pics and keep moving. If I'm going to stop to and edit my movie its probably going to be on my laptop where I'm also either uploading it or storing it on my home server.

I'm also not impressed by anything I saw in terms of build quality. In fact no one else was either. Why do I say that? Because when the exact same phone was leaked by Gizmodo months ago what did people say?

- Its ugly
- Apple would never release something like that
- It has seams in the band around it
- They'd never split the volume switch into two buttons
- Its too blocky....and on and on...

Now the exact same phone is beautiful? A work of art? The same seams are on the phone and all of a sudden no one cares? I have a coworker that just KNEW they were going to release a totally different device because Apple wouldn't release something like that. I bet you now if I go talk to him he will swear its a work of art. What people were impressed with was the marketing skill of Jobs. This phone is still the ugly phone Apple fans thought it was months ago.
 
Yeah 2.2 is impressive but I am still skeptical that it will be able to beat native code even with the faster processor. I really hope google will make me eat my words though.

On 2.2 the code is JIT compiled to native code. There is no difference. In fact its possible through JIT compiling to produce more efficient machine code than hand coded C/C++/Objective C because the JIT can make adjustments to the machine code based on runtime usage. I don't know if Google went this route but the HotSpot VM from Sun/Oracle does this.

Now couple that with the chipmakers going into all out war to produce the best platform for Android and Android has nothing to worry about in the speed department.
 
A 3.5" screen isn't revolutionary. Apple might have the best 3.5" screen but it is still very small compared to everything else out there. They are stuck at that size because they have to, not because they want to. All their apps would break if they decided to come out with a 3.7" or larger screen. There's no reason why Android can't have a larger screen and even higher resolutions.
 
Still isn't native code. Google state it is near native code. Even fron their I/O slide presentations. Dalvik is still a VM

Dalvik VM Internals (2008 Google I/O Session Videos and Slides)
It is still a VM
Dalvik (software) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I do agree with you that the competitors will make faster, faster, phones. Competition is good.

This is from 2008 and no one said that the VM went away. The JIT compiler for Dalvik was just released with 2.2 this year. Maybe you're not understanding how this works. Java is compiled to byte codes that are interpreted by a VM. This gives it the capability to run on any machine where there is a compliant VM. The VM handles converting the code into machine instructions on the fly so that the Java dev doesn't have to worry about machine specifics. This method of running code is relatively slow. JIT compiling takes the byte code and compiles it to native code as if you'd written your app in C. It compiles it Just In Time before execution so that you can still write Java without worrying about machine specifics. The VM handles the compiling based on the system its running on.

There is no "not quite native". Code is either making native calls or its interpreted from something else to native calls. What was most likely being referred to in the video was interpreted byte code not quite being as fast as native.

Maybe its just me but its rather interesting that the case for the iPhone is starting to come down to misdirection, marketing terms and FUD.
 
yeah I will probably stick around just because AT&T truly sucks where I live...

Let's be honest. "AT&T truly sucks" everywhere. My business iPhone has an amazing ability to drop (or not even make) calls with a full signal. But even if you put that aside, my iPhone sucks to use compared to my Hero.
 
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