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And look how thin they kept the RAZR MAXX! Crazy!!!

I think we need to take in consideration how they fit that in the MAXX as compared to the Dinc4G. the MAXX has bigger dimensions (width and height) that allow battery manufactures to make batteries thinner. If you take a smaller dimensioned Dinc4G, you will get a thicker battery. Just speculating...

My thicker extended battery on the Dinc was fine to fit in my front pocket. Now, the Rezound is a different story though...:eek:
 
And look how thin they kept the RAZR MAXX! Crazy!!!

Exactly! How can Moto Make a thinner phone with twice the battery life?I'm an original Incredible owner. I am still using it, and have always been a huge supporter of HTC products. The Incredible was such a great phone, but this phone could not be more mediocre. It is another iteration of a tired design. And Verizon and HTC make it worse by sneaking around and acting like they are hiding details on some top secret high end device. I just do not get it. I certainly appreciate that everyone has different wants and desires on a phone, but besides the S4 (at 1.2? cmon!) the rest of the device does nothing for me. I love the RAZR and RAZR MAXX. Those phone seems pretty snappy with the dual core 1.2. I just wish the bootloader was not locked. Unless some new detail comes out about this phone I thinking I am going to join the group that is going to take a pass and start looking at other alternatives. Disappointing.
 
Exactly! How can Moto Make a thinner phone with twice the battery life?I'm an original Incredible owner. I am still using it, and have always been a huge supporter of HTC products. The Incredible was such a great phone, but this phone could not be more mediocre. It is another iteration of a tired design. And Verizon and HTC make it worse by sneaking around and acting like they are hiding details on some top secret high end device. I just do not get it. I certainly appreciate that everyone has different wants and desires on a phone, but besides the S4 (at 1.2? cmon!) the rest of the device does nothing for me. I love the RAZR and RAZR MAXX. Those phone seems pretty snappy with the dual core 1.2. I just wish the bootloader was not locked. Unless some new detail comes out about this phone I thinking I am going to join the group that is going to take a pass and start looking at other alternatives. Disappointing.

By not having a replaceable battery, that's how. But we would all scream and yell if HTC did that to the Inc4G. You can have one or the other; ridiculous battery capacity, or user replaceable battery, not both.
 
Exactly! How can Moto Make a thinner phone with twice the battery life?I'm an original Incredible owner. I am still using it, and have always been a huge supporter of HTC products. The Incredible was such a great phone, but this phone could not be more mediocre. It is another iteration of a tired design. And Verizon and HTC make it worse by sneaking around and acting like they are hiding details on some top secret high end device. I just do not get it. I certainly appreciate that everyone has different wants and desires on a phone, but besides the S4 (at 1.2? cmon!) the rest of the device does nothing for me. I love the RAZR and RAZR MAXX. Those phone seems pretty snappy with the dual core 1.2. I just wish the bootloader was not locked. Unless some new detail comes out about this phone I thinking I am going to join the group that is going to take a pass and start looking at other alternatives. Disappointing.

Wider dimensions on the MAXX phone allow the manufacturer to put a thinner battery in the back.
 
By not having a replaceable battery, that's how. But we would all scream and yell if HTC did that to the Inc4G. You can have one or the other; ridiculous battery capacity, or user replaceable battery, not both.

Yeah, I hear you. But I'm not sure why I would need to remove a 3300 mAH battery unless I need to pull it for a lockup. The other day I asked the guy at Verizon how many RAZR's have been returned at his store due to bad batteries and he said 0. I do worry a little about the battery life as the phone ages. From what I understand the battery is replaceable, but you have to disassemble the phone to do it. If I could get a One S on Verizon I certainly would not complain about the battery not being removable.
 
Agree the razr and maxx are pretty wide for 4.3 phone. That was one reason I did not like the feel of either of those, they just felt awkward in the hand with the width and square corners.

exactly. It just looked awkward, and felt worse in my hand. They should have kept the DX look from the front.
 
This may be blasphemous but with the rumors of the Galaxy S3 launching on Verizon, would it be better to go that route since it has the same processor but a much bigger and high-res screen? I've never had a Samsung phone so I'm not sure how developer friendly they are and how much developer support they have. Only thing I'd worry about for the S3 is the battery life compared to the Incredible 4G...
 
Wider dimensions on the MAXX phone allow the manufacturer to put a thinner battery in the back.

Thank You! It's pretty much common sense right.. You have a phone with a 4.3" screen and another 1/2 inch all the way around the screen you have a huge container to make a larger narrower battery. You make a smaller phone and that same battery now needs to be made thicker. The processor, screen, memory, camera.. everything is an upgrade from the org Inc and it's a 4G LTE phone with only a 4" screen... It's all I need. Some of us are not so concerned about the latest processor or the highest possible specs... Just saying...
 
Thank You! It's pretty much common sense right.. You have a phone with a 4.3" screen and another 1/2 inch all the way around the screen you have a huge container to make a larger narrower battery. You make a smaller phone and that same battery now needs to be made thicker. The processor, screen, memory, camera.. everything is an upgrade from the org Inc and it's a 4G LTE phone with only a 4" screen... It's all I need. Some of us are not so concerned about the latest processor or the highest possible specs... Just saying...

I can appreciate your perspective even if it is not mathematically correct. The RAZR is obviously much larger than any Incredible phone, but only slightly larger than comparable 4.3 inch screen phones. I do agree that the RAZR is deceiving wide, especially when you hold it in your hand. I
 
This may be blasphemous but with the rumors of the Galaxy S3 launching on Verizon, would it be better to go that route since it has the same processor but a much bigger and high-res screen? I've never had a Samsung phone so I'm not sure how developer friendly they are and how much developer support they have. Only thing I'd worry about for the S3 is the battery life compared to the Incredible 4G...

Samsung is known for having crappy radios just look at the issues every has with the nexus and not being able to get/keep a signal. Plus you have to figure a larger screen with a battery rumored to be 2200 mah will probably drain faster than a 4 inch screen with 1700 mah battery since the sgs3 is rumored to have anywhere from 4.6-4.8' screen.
 
Thank You! It's pretty much common sense right.. You have a phone with a 4.3" screen and another 1/2 inch all the way around the screen you have a huge container to make a larger narrower battery. You make a smaller phone and that same battery now needs to be made thicker. The processor, screen, memory, camera.. everything is an upgrade from the org Inc and it's a 4G LTE phone with only a 4" screen... It's all I need. Some of us are not so concerned about the latest processor or the highest possible specs... Just saying...

I feel that the 4" crowd has been left out over the last year. There have been nice phones with 4.3" and even higher, but it really comes down to size for me. I considered:

1) Dinc2 -- just didn't feel that it was that big of an upgrade or worth the price over my Dinc1
2) Rezound -- loved the screen!, but was just too thick with a needed extended battery...tried it for a bit but took it back
3) LG Lucid -- didn't like the software/hardware spec combinations
4) Razr -- both variations are too wide/tall for me
5) One S -- would it ever come to verizon, who knows
6) Dinc4g -- has the best chance depending on price
 
I can appreciate your perspective even if it is not mathematically correct. The RAZR is obviously much larger than any Incredible phone, but only slightly larger than comparable 4.3 inch screen phones. I do agree that the RAZR is deceiving wide, especially when you hold it in your hand. I’m not here to push the RAZR. I’m only trying to say that the industry trend is toward thinner smart phones. To argue that the RAZR can accommodate such a large battery because it is so large is in my opinion not very intelligent. The Rezound is only slightly smaller, but has terrible battery life. I’m sure the incredible 4g will be a fine phone, and I hope that people that buy it love it. I will probably shy away from it primarily due to the screen size, but I know there are others who will buy it for the same reason.

I'll say this again...

Non-removable battery. That's is the lowest common denominator here. The RAZR MAXX can accommodate such a large battery because the RAZR MAXX does not have a removable back and battery. Simple as that.
 
I can appreciate your perspective even if it is not mathematically correct. The RAZR is obviously much larger than any Incredible phone, but only slightly larger than comparable 4.3 inch screen phones. I do agree that the RAZR is deceiving wide, especially when you hold it in your hand. I
 
exactly. It just looked awkward, and felt worse in my hand. They should have kept the DX look from the front.

And with how thin it was when I played with one in store it actually did not feel strongly built and that it would be easier to break IMO.
 
I feel that the 4" crowd has been left out over the last year. There have been nice phones with 4.3" and even higher, but it really comes down to size for me. I considered:

1) Dinc2 -- just didn't feel that it was that big of an upgrade or worth the price over my Dinc1
2) Rezound -- loved the screen!, but was just too thick with a needed extended battery...tried it for a bit but took it back
3) LG Lucid -- didn't like the software/hardware spec combinations
4) Razr -- both variations are too wide/tall for me
5) One S -- would it ever come to verizon, who knows
6) Dinc4g -- has the best chance depending on price


Yep, it sounds like you and I have the exact same reasoning. I did the exact same thing, even got the Rezound and took it back. I know everybody is entitled to their opinion and I'm fine with that, no one phone will ever please everybody. But it's about time we have something under 4.3" display for those of us that don't want a tablet in our pockets. Just waiting for this thing to get to the store so I can check it out in person.
 
Actually it is very intelligent and true, with the phone being wider it allows for more area for a battery and overall cut down on how thick the phone is. No if, ands or buts about it...

Ya, I'm not sure what a non-removable back would have to do with it. Not saying I am not missing something, but why isn't the iPhone thinner then? It has a non-removable back. If they made the iPhone bigger, they could make the battery thinner with the same capacity. The bigger the phone the thinner you can make the battery at the same capacity. For my math not being correct the last time I checked... Volume = Length x Width x Height
 
To argue that the RAZR can accommodate such a large battery because it is so large is in my opinion not very intelligent.

Rezound is 5.08 x 2.58 x 0.54
Razr is 5.15 x 2.71 x 0.28

There is a difference there in dimensions. I had the Rezound and took out the battery. It didn't fit the whole dimension of the phone. You can see how small the battery fits in the phone here. HTC didn't use much of the width/height phone for the battery, so it is thick.

Hands-On : HTC Rezound Review, Features And Specification

Now, look at the width and height of the Razr battery and tell us how dimensions didn't play a factor in its ability to keep the phone thin.

Remove the Motorola RAZR & RAZR MAXX Battery | Android Advice & Tutorials

If you use more area in width/height of the back of the phone, you can make the phone thinner.
 
Ya, I'm not sure what a non-removable back would have to do with it. Not saying I am not missing something, but why isn't the iPhone thinner then? It has a non-removable back. If they made the iPhone bigger, they could make the battery thinner with the same capacity. The bigger the phone the thinner you can make the battery at the same capacity. For my math not being correct the last time I checked... Volume = Length x Width x Height

Because they didn't need to make it any thinner than it already is? Non-removable back makes everything more compact as it requires less space.
 
Ya, I'm not sure what a non-removable back would have to do with it. Not saying I am not missing something, but why isn't the iPhone thinner then? It has a non-removable back. If they made the iPhone bigger, they could make the battery thinner with the same capacity. The bigger the phone the thinner you can make the battery at the same capacity. For my math not being correct the last time I checked... Volume = Length x Width x Height

Slimness is absolutely part of the equation, since phones without the small grooves, nooks, and air pockets needed to make it so you can open a back cover and pull out a battery have the potential to be thinner.

In fact, when you don't have to design a product around popping out its battery, you have far more options. Engineers can use batteries in shapes, sizes, and configurations that deliver the requisite charge but are impractical to remove. That, in turn, can allow the industrial designer to create phones with creative contours.

Motorola certainly agrees. Manipulating the smartphone's shape and size was its great goal and accomplishment with the Droid Razr; its superskinny superphone measures less than 0.3 inch thick.

The Droid Razr Maxx delivers the second message that ultraslim phone bodies can play a practical role as well. At less than 0.4 inch thick, the sequel offers nearly double the battery capacity, at a thickness that's still slimmer than the 0.5-inch status quo.

It's time to kiss that removable smartphone battery goodbye | Android Atlas - CNET Reviews
 
Droid-life is known to make plenty of errors. I would take the droiddoes site over droid-life anyday.

^^This.

I wonder if they made a mistake in posting the Dinc4G specs/page on droiddoes on was it really on purpose? I might be paranoid enough to think it was a conspiracy.:)

I hope this phone has the xda/rooting support like the old Dinc.
 
^^This.

I wonder if they made a mistake in posting the Dinc4G specs/page on droiddoes on was it really on purpose? I might be paranoid enough to think it was a conspiracy.:)

I hope this phone has the xda/rooting support like the old Dinc.

I'm questioning it too now, probably a 4" but still gunning for 4.3!

It should get decent support, its Verizon and has great specs minus decent screen, so I'm sure there are a bunch of devs still on the original inc who will make the transition to the inc4g
 
Ya, I'm not sure what a non-removable back would have to do with it. Not saying I am not missing something, but why isn't the iPhone thinner then? It has a non-removable back. If they made the iPhone bigger, they could make the battery thinner with the same capacity. The bigger the phone the thinner you can make the battery at the same capacity. For my math not being correct the last time I checked... Volume = Length x Width x Height

The main reasons they're able to get such a bigger battery in the Maxx are:
1. As said earlier, it is taller and wider, which is helps even more because of #2.
2. With a non removable battery, there is no need for a battery tray. With a removable battery you need a tray to both hold the battery & to seal off the mainboard from the user/ elements. On a phone with a non removable battery, the battery can be soldered right to the main board, and there is no worry about the main board being exposed because the casing is sealed. Eliminating the battery tray opens up a lot of space for a larger battery.

Besides the bigger battery, the screen also helps somewhat in saving battery. Being Amoled any blacks being displayed is actually the pixels in the off state, which is why they're so much deeper on an Amoled over an lcd. While LCD screens display whites better, unless the screen is shut off, the backlight is always on. By using a dark wallpaper on an Amoled screen (like what comes on most Moto Droids) you'll get less battery usage than any LCD, assuming brightness levels are the same.
 
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