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Interesting Camera discussion !! Carry on !!

Shocky

Android Expert

As if I'm going to engage you in this discussion, you will just end up giving me an infraction if I do, you probably will anyway. :D

So I'll just leave you with this and leave.

Camera comparison by phonearena, click link below to see why the HTC One M8 comes last.

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http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/C...one-5s-LG-G2-Sony-Xperia-Z2-HTC-One-M8_id3728
 
Root and modify the SGS5 camera and I bet you can get it well above that score.

Root and modify the M8 and you'll get it above its score there as well.

That's all I meant.

I never said that the M8 camera was better - I said that the problem isn't megapixels - it's jpg compression.

I now take raw image photos with my M8, and post-process three 16-bit color layers as tiff images that typically hit 24 MB.

If you do that, THEN AND ONLY THEN do you get to see down to the pixel level.

The pixel comparison photos that everyone cleverly publishes are not true - they are jpg compression comparisons.

The power of neither camera is released.

If you care about just - buy it, use it, like it - you have to try both and decide what you see.

Lots of people are happy with both cameras and I don't blame them. My likes and thanks are all over the threads for both of them.

But if you care about more, get off the spec sheet and away from the silly trough of comparison slop.

Unleash the camera and have the real pictures.

I hope I've cleared up your misunderstanding of exactly what I said the first time. :)

And to continue to answer the OP - there are far fewer camera features on the SGS5.
 
Nope, you lost me at root and modify, no idea what your talking about. :stupido3:

Really?

Ah, well you can get administrator access to your Android phone, just like you can on your PC. We call that rooting. It is NOT the same as jailbreaking an iPhone, but many people compare the idea that way.

And just like on your PC, you get the option to install more and make a good thing better if you can run with admin privileges.

There are good enough camera apps that come with the phones, and some good choices in the Play Store to try.

But - with root (admin privilege) you can install much more comprehensive apps and get them to work at the best level with your phone.

And as it turns out, there are professional photography application developers that work on the pricy DSLRs who have found that they can contribute a lot to us - with root access.

The guy I know making the raw image camera, for example, has my M8 camera modified as I described and another app modified to work on several Samsungs, maybe one of your favorites.

I have a second root camera app by another guy, who started out perfecting the jpg compression problem on the LG, succeeded, applied the same mod to the M8 camera - and that gives me not only better detail but far better color. And I know there's always someone like him doing the same for Samsung.

Personally, I recommend it, but I admit it's not for everyone.

My problem with the review sites is that they give the impression that they have THE answer.

The truth is that the camera app is one of the first things improved by a manufacturer update and sometimes those comparisons are stale a month later.

And that's true in all the categories.

Which I think is why the OP said, I read the reviews, what do you owners think?

I think that they're both great phones and the OP is right to ask owners - because the reviews don't prove anything. They're stale.

I know people who traded in the M8 for battery issues early on. I got mine after the updates hit, look at my numbers. And lots of M8 owners are posting great results also.

So I don't believe that there can be just one answer.

If the OP needs waterproof, the Samsung is better. If they want loud, clear speakers, the M8 is better. If they want to rely on the camera, then it's important to know the intended use. HTC optimized for fewer pixels and more compression and that's ideal for social media. Samsung optimized for more flexibility in cropping.

But if you care a whole lot about pictures, you can get far, far better than what comes out of the box for either one.

If you don't care about pictures, then you don't. I know people who carry cameras and don't care about tiny cell phone cameras.
 
Question for EarlyMon: How does one whoot in RAW on Android? I'd LOVE that for my Padfone X.

My bit of advice: Ignore people who say "MORE MP EQUAL MOAR PICTURE". I've got a 10MP Rebel XTi, an 18MP Nikon L320, and the 13MP PadFone X.

I have pictures going in a gallery with the 10MP Rebel, and it's the "smallest" of the bunch. Megapixels aren't everything.
 
By the way - one of my daughters has the iPhone 5s, my son in law decided to update his 4s, and was ready to get the 5s too.

But something about the SGS5 just really appealed to him (and I'm not implying anything, those were his words).

So he picked up the gold one last week to give Android another try. (They didn't have a great experience a few years ago with the older technology.) And he figured he'd take it back for a 5s if he wasn't satisfied, so, nothing to lose.

Within a few days he's completely converted and has no intention of going back or waiting for the iPhone 6. He's beyond satisfied with his choice.

I handed over my phone for a day to one of my office buddies, he was ready for his iPhone upgrade. I didn't say anything, just here are what these buttons mean, this icon gets you to my apps, and I walked away for 9 hours. And now he's totally rethinking his smartphone strategy.

Those are just two personal data points, but I hope they prove that I really mean it when I say both are great choices and you can't go wrong, but just pick the one that seems right to you.

We can only tell you what we like and why.

So OP, if you're still with us, do you have any particular requirements that you want to discuss?

If so, let us know, we'll shoot you straight.
And if not sure, here's the best advice I know - go to a store, and just give each one a turn holding it, looking at it, and poke around at it.

And if there's just something about one of them that you like, or one just seems to appeal to you for no reason - get that one.

In four years, I have yet to have anyone tell me that was bad advice and a whole lot of people who agreed that is great advice.
 
Question for EarlyMon: How does one whoot in RAW on Android? I'd LOVE that for my Padfone X.

So - I checked and see you've rooted already (pretty quiet up in the Padfone X area, good on ya for putting on the lights!).

So here's the thread - Android Raw Capture Camera Mods [Nubia Camera| FreedCamera| M8 Stock Camera] - xda-developers

You've got a Snapdragon 800, so try the FreeDCam.apk he has there.

Skim the thread, he's got some experimental updates to it, and I don't think he mods the op a lot.

You want to try the first of the two lines suggesting the dcraw app use.

The camera produced a raw sensor file, dcraw turns it into the layered tiff, and you work the layered tiff either in Photoshop or Gimp2.

If you have trouble, post there, be prepared to make minor property edits - or - not and it will just work.

The FreeDCam still had some rough edges on the interface when I tried it, but it did get the job done. And - he's constantly working on it.

Enjoy compadre! :)
 
My bit of advice: Ignore people who say "MORE MP EQUAL MOAR PICTURE". I've got a 10MP Rebel XTi, an 18MP Nikon L320, and the 13MP PadFone X.

That's good advice but I don't think anyone here has said that, camera's on the LG G3, Xperia Z2 and Galaxy S5 are better because they take better images, colour, contrast, they handle night and light sources better and they don't overexpose like the HTC One M8 does.

Also shots on the HTC One M8 often look merky and overcast even when in direct sunlight compared to the others, don't know why but it's usually easy to spot the HTC One M8 image in comparisons as it's the most lifeless.

Of course it's nice to have more detail for high resolution displays and cropping needs.
 
That's good advice but I don't think anyone here has said that, camera's on the LG G3, Xperia Z2 and Galaxy S5 are better because they take better images, colour, contrast, they handle night and light sources better and they don't overexpose like the HTC One M8 does.

Also shots on the HTC One M8 often look merky and overcast even when in direct sunlight compared to the others, don't know why but it's usually easy to spot the HTC One M8 image in comparisons as it's the most lifeless.

Of course it's nice to have more detail for high resolution displays and cropping needs.

I have an M8. I don't care what you've read or seen on blogs, I have no idea what you're talking about with those picture descriptions.

Neither do the other owners posting in this thread.

http://androidforums.com/htc-one-m8/832012-htc-m8-camera-discussion-show-off-your-pictures.html

Honestly, you're making statements of fact that are not true.

If you want to debate the camera further, let's take it elsewhere.

:)

Edit - carry on, we're going to move it elsewhere.
 
The FIRST HTC One had two possible camera modules and, I won't deny, one of them is CRAP (the one I have- Mr. Purple Tint). Murky pictures, blown highlights ALL the time, blurry, etc. But that's the m7.

I couldn't get any of the RAW image shooters to work w/ the PadFone X. Maybe I'll make a post offering anything I can to help (aside from the device itself :p )

EDIT:
http://dibblebill.blogspot.com/2014/06/tech-review-asus-padfone-x.html
Check this out for some camera shots from the PadFone. It's not bad at all.
 
Yeah, let me figure out where to move the camera chatter and we can have a blast in that thread.

I'll leave a link here in case the OP or someone is interested.

We don't even know if the camera is important to the OP, so I think that's fair enough.
 
I don't think anyone here has said that, camera's on the LG G3, Xperia Z2 and Galaxy S5 are better because they take better images, colour, contrast, they handle night and light sources better and they don't overexpose like the HTC One M8 does.

It depends on the circumstances. Sony still cripple their phonecams' output with over-aggressive JPG compression, and the S5's colour rendition and applied WB can be very erratic. I've not had a chance to test the G3 back-to-back yet as it was released while I've been on holiday, but I'm sure I'll find faults with it too. Nothing's perfect, not even my 5DMk2. :)

Yeah, let me figure out where to move the camera chatter and we can have a blast in that thread.

Count me in! I've sent (so far) three emails to SonyMobile pleading for RAW support, so far without acknowledgement. I'd love to be able to pull RAW data from my sensor, sans compression/canned post-processing, and run it though Lightroom to see what's REALLY there. :)
 
Count me in! I've sent (so far) three emails to SonyMobile pleading for RAW support, so far without acknowledgement. I'd love to be able to pull RAW data from my sensor, sans compression/canned post-processing, and run it though Lightroom to see what's REALLY there. :)

I'm actually taking nonsense pictures just to play with it.

Raw on a freaking phone? Booo yeah! :)

4 megapixels/picture * the Bayer filter (let's just say 3 subpixels/pixel for the beginner version, even though wrong) * 16-bit color/subpixel * (2 bytes)/(16 bits)...

Does NOT equal 2 MB in a jpg without throwing away a whole lot. :rofl:


Btw, dimensional math hint -

2 a/b * 3 c/a = 6 c/b
 
It depends on the circumstances. Sony still cripple their phonecams' output with over-aggressive JPG compression, and the S5's colour rendition and applied WB can be very erratic. I've not had a chance to test the G3 back-to-back yet as it was released while I've been on holiday, but I'm sure I'll find faults with it too. Nothing's perfect, not even my 5DMk2. :)

It always depends on the circumstances, phonearea have done a lot of camera comparisons using the HTC One M8 and it's consistently having issues.

I don't think the issue is JPG compression, it doesn't help but it's not the reason the HTC One M8 consistently comes last in these comparisons and the Galaxy S5 consistently comes first.
 
It always depends on the circumstances, phonearea have done a lot of camera comparisons using the HTC One M8 and it's consistently having issues.

I don't think the issue is JPG compression, it doesn't help but it's not the reason the HTC One M8 consistently comes last in these comparisons and the Galaxy S5 consistently comes first.

Dude, get over it.

They're using old software and they are full of crap.

No one has used the old bits for months.

What is so hard to freaking understand about this?

Compare it to a Model T Ford while you're at it.

Might as well. Those aren't around anymore either.

And while you're entitled to your opinion, jpg compression is a known, proven fact by everyone who knows what they are doing and how the stuff is built.


Saying that jpg compression is not a problem is right up there with saying that the sun rises in the West.

But you go ahead and believe that software updates are meaningless.

Meanwhile - turn all of yours off, never update Android or get a new app ever again.

If you are going to live in the past on the HTC camera, go all the way on your own phone.

Let me know how that works out for you.
 
I posted the equation earlier.

It's an equation. Not an opinion.

Cell phone pictures are compressed in way that loses color, details, everything, on a factor of ending up with 1/12 to 1/20 of what was there captured originally.

If you think that simple multiplication and division are opinions and yours is just as good and Phone Arena is proof, then I feel sorry for you.
 
phonearea have done a lot of camera comparisons using the HTC One M8 and it's consistently having issues.

Or maybe it's Phonearena that have the issues? ;)

Until technical photography publications subjects smartphones to the same quantifiable lab testing as they do dSLRs, I'd always advise prospective owners to let their own eyes be the judge - that way they can be sure that the playing field is level.

I don't think the issue is JPG compression
Please re-read my comment. I criticised Sony for insisting on overly-aggressive compression. The Z2 isn't as bad in this respect thanks to the improved Bionz DSP, but it's still annoyingly present and doesn't allow the Exmor RS to shine as it should.

it's not the reason the HTC One M8 consistently comes last in these comparisons and the Galaxy S5 consistently comes first.
Well fwiw, I'd never place the S5 "consistantly" first simply because of the (in my experience) lack of colour/WB accuracy, but that's just me. :)
 
Oddly, a technical, professional photography site specializing in DSLRs has started looking at cell phone cameras and they pull no punches.

They also rate the M8 very highly among cell phone cameras, but only if the settings are properly adjusted - just like any camera.

But what did he know? That fool didn't even bother to test with prerelease software and ignore the updates.
 
Or maybe it's Phonearena that have the issues? ;)

Until technical photography publications subjects smartphones to the same quantifiable lab testing as they do dSLRs, I'd always advise prospective owners to let their own eyes be the judge - that way they can be sure that the playing field is level.

I doubt that somehow, it would take considerable effort and I don't see what they would have to gain.
 
Oddly, a technical, professional photography site specializing in DSLRs has started looking at cell phone cameras and they pull no punches.

They also rate the M8 very highly among cell phone cameras, but only if the settings are properly adjusted - just like any camera.

But what did he know? That fool didn't even bother to test with prerelease software and ignore the updates.

Which site? I'd like a link
 
No, it isn't. Don't insult photography like that. It's impossible to fix a poor camera sensor.

It's true, a professional photographer will get the most out of a camera, more so than your average user or reviewer.

Of course it doesn't make a camera sensor better, that's just being silly. They are nice photos but more so because of what's being captured, not because of the camera.
 
I've had my share of crappy cameras. A crappy camera takes a crappy picture, pretty scenery or not. If you want to excuse and dismiss good tech as simply magic, and dismiss photography in general, sure. By your logic, DSLR's are stupid, overpriced pieces of crap. I'm done with this discussion.
 
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