Ipad or Xoom??

[Mitchrapp]

Just the li,e the iPhone. First came out, it was like woo I remember my first touch phone, it was and LG -- very unresponsive with the touch display. Not like that anymore, Android has shit all over the play. And soon the Android tabs with honeycomb will be all over.

The only thing Apple clings to is "we have 60000 apps". Not much of a reason, having an Android phone I learned that if you need a newspaper app, a browser, an app to watch movies, etc. Android has them, they just don't have as many. How many browser apps you need if Android has one that works well?

 

[faith4more]

Don't let Steve lure you with his pretty hardware. He just wants to lock you into his consumer prison. He will feed you fairly well but you still belong to him and eat what he only wants you to eat. Isn't that really the choice here?

 

[SamuriHL]

Editorial: It's Apple's 'post-PC' world -- we're all just living in it -- Engadget

That's an interesting take on the situation. They're suggesting the "consumer prison" is actually to be commended and that as a result of that prison, the Apple "experience" will beat all other tablets. They're not competing on specs, but, simply the fact that it's a locked down, controlled, experience. While I like the idea of a "post-PC" computing paradigm, I'm not sure I agree with locking that experience down. I'm afraid, REALLY afraid, of what people aren't realizing when they buy into that "vision". While the device is EXTREMELY simple to use because of the reduced user experience, it's also VERY limiting. You get what the corporation tells you that you can have. You give up an ENORMOUS amount of freedom. You, as an end user, no longer "own" the experience. Corporations are going to LOVE the "post-PC" vision Apple has. Users, however, once they realize how badly they've been duped, are going to regret it. Long live the openness of Droid, baby!

 

[Mitchrapp]

What are your top 10 apps that are exclusive to android, meaning the same app or equivalent isnt offered on ios?

Did you even read what I said? Maybe its the understanding that's the difficult part.

 

[SamuriHL]

Google tells me that I cant easily sync contacts, emails, photos, media, podcasts, movie rentals, etc. between my desktop and all of my android devices. I find that very limiting.

They told you this, huh? I have no problem with doing any of those things except movie rentals. And it's quite easy. I'm not sure you understand what I mean by "corporate controlled user experience", however. Look at the moves Apple is taking. 30% of all subscriptions just to get your content onto their iDevice. Tightly controlled market that they have to approve all submissions. Apple has its hand in everything you're ALLOWED to do on the iDevice. Contrast that with Google. They don't much care what you do. Root your device. Ok, that's fine. Custom roms exist because Google releases the actual source code for the operating system. If someone wants to add functionality to the OS, they can do that, and on a device like the Xoom, you can root it and run a custom OS. (Well, once the rom makers get their hands on it and start creating.) With Apple you can jailbreak, but, they frown heavily upon that and are actively taking steps lately to make that more difficult. They don't want you having control over your iDevice. THEY want to control it. I'm not sure about you, but, I REALLY don't want corporations telling me how and when I can consume content. Apple is very happy to screw the content owners AND users in order to boost profits. That's not the model I personally choose to follow. Yes, the user experience is very nice on the iDevices. But that's by design and not in an overly good way, IMO.

 

[SamuriHL]

I use motorola media link, myself. Syncs all my iTunes music, pictures, unprotected videos, etc. Doesn't seem to work on the Xoom, yet, but, hopefully they'll update it soon. Otherwise, just plug it into a USB port and copy your stuff over.

 

[SamuriHL]

That's an area that could be addressed by a clever app designer. Google does sync your apps, but, you're right, not data. Maybe they'll address at that in a future release.

 

[PSkeptic]

...clip...Sure it was great for two weeks. But when placed side by side with the IPAD Moto and Android looses . 4g not released, SDS not workiing, flash (future release) , apps missing....clip...

None of which the iPad 2 will ever have.

...clip...It has saturated the market (Like windows desktop) to the point where you would be a fool not to get on the train...clip..

The iPad has not saturated the market on par with what MS has done with the desktop. Right now, Tablets are toys. Neat gadgets. That's all.

I know this because now the Xoom is out, there are about 30 people at my place of employment alone who are looking at getting a tablet now. And, more or less, after seeing the iPad against the the options, guess what? The options almost always won hands down.

Android won out (For all but 3 people, who I recommended an iPad for) on:
* Choice. The amount of hardware options is dazzling. And a person can get a tablet that fits their needs, the the needs that Apple says they have.
* Price. You can get an android tablet as cheap as $50. Hell, you can get a free 7" tablet (Not a very nice one) for free if you buy a gorgeous printer (The HP eStation). And, you can go all the way up to $800 for a top-of-the-line.

...clip...The only real advantage to Android is GPS period...clip...

Flash... Web support... Rapidly growing ecosystem... Ease of moving from device to device... No requirement for a PC...

Are you just ignoring those advantages?

...clip...It

 

[doubledown]

But when placed side by side with the IPAD Moto and Android looses . 4g not released, SDS not workiing, flash (future release) , apps missing.

I have read this and similar statements at several forums over the past few weeks. I don't get the argument. These things will be available or activated over the next few weeks. What will be the argument then? I'm not saying that the ipad is inferior, neither am I saying Android tablets are. But let's stop pointing out things that WILL be non-issues so very soon. The apps argument is the only one that holds water, and it is a biggie for alot of people. With time (as honeycomb was just released) hopefully developers will realize the potential of the tablets and they will start playing catch up. Apple will probably always have more apps as they took the initiative and released the iphone and ipad earlier than Android. Many devs will start working on versions of both for launch as this will allow more profit.
As for the other things mentioned, well in a few weeks you could turn around your statement and say "Ipad loses, no 4G, no SD card, and no flash. But Android devices all have them."
Get what you want and be happy. Just stop hitting on non-issues to prove your point. Instead why don't you say "I prefer the 4:3 ratio, no mem slot, itunes, no usb, no flash, no 4G, more apps, locked home screen, and whatever else Steve Jobs thinks I should be allowed."

 

[ctxx24]

Well iam trying to sell my 16g ipad for 300 and iam not having much success. on craiglist anyway.

 

[SamuriHL]

That's probably because a new 16gig can be had for 399 now.

 

[PSkeptic]

Well iam trying to sell my 16g ipad for 300 and iam not having much success. on craiglist anyway.

$200-250 is a more reasonable price for a used iPad 1 16GB. With the next generation due in a week.

 

[clb2196]

And, on Netflix, it's coming for the Xoom (And all other Tegra 2 devices).

Already available through PlayOn for any device with flash. Use it on my droid2.

 

[Mitchrapp]

That's probably because a new 16gig can be had for 399 now.

I heard $499.

 

[railrode1]

Don't forget the I pad has no dock option, barometer for weather apps or dual speakers from what I noticed.

 

[SamuriHL]

I heard $499.

I meant iPad 1. They lowered the price to clear out existing inventory.

 

[Mitchrapp]

True on that, sold my 64g iPad on Feb. 20, 549$. Probably could have got more but I was happy about it.

 

[zipur]

None of which the iPad 2 will ever have.
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Don't get me wrong, I am now saying iOS is better than Android, its not. I am saying that right now for 2011 the Ipad 2 will beat the Moto. the OP wanted opinions and from what I see. For 2011 all new tabs will have the same spec's give or take a micro or standard SD slot right. The average users don't even have thumb drives (I carry one always). Not everyone wants to fight the beta wars, heck its a pain right now that I have to update Android Market every day. Ipad 2 is stable, and very fast with great battery life it does what it does.

IMO most people just want to get on the internet, read books and Email/face book stuff. What do you do on your phone now; the same.

In two years Honey3 will be great. But for this year you may find that the Moto won't even run once loaded down with apps. Who knows what problems are to come. Therefore crapple is the way to go.

 

[PSkeptic]

Um, this doesn't address syncing your photos, music, apps, podcasts, movies, etc. to all of your android devices.

It does when all of your photos, music, apps, podcasts, movies, etc are in the cloud.

Second, not everyone wants to give google their data. Didn't they lose people's email this week? Also, not everyone's data can be stored with a third party for security/privacy reasons.

Don't want to give Google your data? Fine, use another cloud vendor. Don't want your data in the cloud? Fine, use a sync application. There's plenty of Sync Applications out there for android. You can even roll your own.

While you dont use a computer much, I suspect that the overwhelming majority of tablet users do not keep all of their data just on the tablet or in the cloud.

I have to amend that. I use a laptop for full-time job work (They mandate Windows only), and I use a netbook for development work. However, those are just "front ends" to access my data, which is kept on my home server (Websites being worked on, code, etc), in Google Docs (Documents I need everywhere, like invoices, etc), and my music in up in Amazon's cloud and on my home server.

Now that I have a tablet, I don't turn my netbook on anymore. It's collecting dust. My laptop is only while I'm in the office (In fact, it sits in it's dock now, and I remote into it).

Bottom line is, if you want your data physical on your device in hand, just use a sync app. There's tons out there. Me? I don't see a need for 15 copies of my data on 15 different devices. More chance of it being lost.

 

[PSkeptic]

Don't get me wrong, I am now saying iOS is better than Android, its not. I am saying that right now for 2011 the Ipad 2 will beat the Moto. the OP wanted opinions and from what I see. For 2011 all new tabs will have the same spec's give or take a micro or standard SD slot right. The average users don't even have thumb drives (I carry one always). Not everyone wants to fight the beta wars, heck its a pain right now that I have to update Android Market every day. Ipad 2 is stable, and very fast with great battery life it does what it does.

A couple of points here.

Firstly, you said put the two tablet side by side, and the Xoom loses because it lacks features, which will be there in a month tops. And, the iPad 2 will never have. That's called "apples to oranges comparison".

And, if you don't want to fight the beta wars, don't. Don't have to. But you can't say the Xoom is beaten by the iPad's spec's, based on hardware the iPad 2 will never have, and the Xoom will in a month or so.

IMO most people just want to get on the internet, read books and Email/face book stuff. What do you do on your phone now; the same.

And, for a simple user like that, a B&N Nook works 100%. Don't need a double-priced iPad to do that.

In two years Honey3 will be great. But for this year you may find that the Moto won't even run once loaded down with apps. Who knows what problems are to come. Therefore crapple is the way to go.

We may find. Just like we found that the iPad 1 crashed whenever you installed too many apps? Or, if used in a sunny environment? None of which seem to have been fixed in version 2.

 

[rjoudrey]

I am curious does the iPad run applications not written for it. A lot of the programs I am using on the Xoom were not written for Honeycomb and run pretty darn good.

 

[PSkeptic]

What percentage of consumers have all of their data in the cloud? C'mon, man.

What percentage of consumers demand all of their data be present on all of their devices?

If you count email, then a overwhelming majority have their data in the cloud.

And there's a android user experience penalty for making Joe Shmo be aware of, search for, test, and possibly purchase this capability.

What penalty? Because you have MANY options for doing something? That's a penalty?

98% of what consumers need synced is done already, with no apps required. Mail, Contacts, and Calendar. You wanna sync doc's/podcasts? If you use Windows Media Player, that alone takes care of music and podcasts. Docs? Just use Google Docs or some other sync mechanism.

Meanwhile, 99% of ios users will sync data to their device within minutes of first connecting it to their computer.

Meanwhile, if you are using an OS that is hugely popular (Windows), only one Apple account can exist on that computer, which blows all that sync work away when a new user sits down.

Second Apple account? You need a second computer to do that. Sorry.

If you use Android: 100% of users will have their apps, contacts, email, and calendar synced the minute they get done setting their phone up.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I am curious does the iPad run applications not written for it. A lot of the programs I am using on the Xoom were not written for Honeycomb and run pretty darn good.

No doubt. That deserves a thanks And no they don't run on the pad.

EDIT: well they do run but a very small frame. If you 2x it, stinks and blurry.

 

[zipur]

A couple of points here.
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I am saying that if you place them side by side (Ipad 1) you will feel that they both run the same, fast & smooth. However many people view the IPAD screen as better and all reviews say the Ipad 2 is even faster.
Size is important you need a sweet spot where it's not a hassle to carry it. The IPAD 2 is much slimmer which I really like.
Spec's - They don't matter it the experiance when it comes on. Bootup time, screen response, screen brightness it what you get when you use it not the spec's. And yes the B&N Nook is a great device which you can put in your pocket!

Features, SD, 4g, Open Apps & Flash Xoom wins !

 

[ctxx24]

I listed it for 300 w pics just a few bites...200 lol I will play golf w it before I sell it for 200