chanchan05
The Doctor
Don't generalize. I've encountered several Apple boys so much blinded by the brand that they actually hate on anything not apple.
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iPhone 5 versus Android
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Don't generalize. I've encountered several Apple boys so much blinded by the brand that they actually hate on anything not apple.
RballCoach
Newbie
I use to have the iPhone 4 and when I dropped Verizon and couldn't use it anymore I thought I was a bit upset until I got use to my Android. I don't see the major attraction anymore. Screen is smaller and it doesn't have all the Google capabilities either. You can't open excel docs on it either.
Manny
OfTheDamned
The Friendly Undead
I'm not sure why you would say this. Hardware is like a tool box or a car. It will do well empty, but what you put in it is the important part. A Ferrari is nice to look at, but is rendered useless without a driver. A nice shiny tool box is great, but is pretty worthless without a standard set of tools inside it.
Do you ever see Apple marketing the iPhones hardware? They market Siri and the App Store. They market what the phone can do. They don't usually talk about the CPU or the amount of RAM it has. They may bring up the screen or the camera, but they don't bring up the other stuff. That is because the greatest hardware in the world is worthless if it has horrible software. If the Galaxy Nexus was released with Android 1.0 right now do you think anyone would purchase it? Would the iPhone 4s have sold as much if it wasn't for Siri? Many iPhone users would ignore the best hardware in the world if the new iPhone was running WP7 or BlackBerry 10.
While an OS may be able to run on older phones, it isn't always the same experience. The iPhone 4 is able to run the latest and greatest, but didn't come with Siri. Anyone who wanted that part of the software had to jailbreak their phone or buy the 4s.
All that said there is of course hardware that, if missing, would generally cause a phone to be DOR. Things like LTE, screens 4" and up, hd screens and batteries that last all day are expected now. Customers know that the phones are capable of it now and they demand it. A company could possibly get away with a smaller battery, but not skipping LTE. There is no way a phone could come out now, on a network capable of it, missing LTE and really sell.
BTW, I used to have friends that would watch Apple announcements like a drinking game. You had to take a shot every time someone said "innovative" or mentioned anything "magical". It ypically pay attention to them just to see who they took their latest idea from.
After jumping ship two weekends ago, I have nothing but resentment towards owning an iPhone since it's initial release, 5 years ago. Android is just that much better.
Don't get me wrong, IOS is a fine operating system, and the iPhone is made with great quality and attention to detail. I think it's a solid choice for some people, especially those new to the smartphone market, and/or those looking for something simply to make calls on, text and play angry birds. After a while, however, the locked down nature of the phone's design gets tiresome. Not to mention Apple's questionable businesses practices (i.e. not listening to their customers, their 'business first' attitude, or their ridiculous DRM protection on itunes purchased music and movies) leave much to be desired.
At the end of the day, I would wholeheartedly not recommend getting an iPhone.
Are you looking forward to Skyfall then (James Bond with Sony phones)?
streetkilln
Android Enthusiast
we americans think iphones is the best cell phone ever made because it was designed in US by steve jobs. pssh wrong. its a piece of shit that getting worse everytime we speak. the people that buy iphones is because its more advertised than any other phone. if you look at phones being advertised ofc android will only advertise the latest phones that hit the market then its on the the next ones. witch in apples case they only have one phone to advertise. that one phone is that same shit different year. but to them its not cause they tweak it up a bit and add little of this and little of that...
now we got that out of the way here is more reasons..
android phones have different features depending on its manufacturer. samsung/htc/motorolla
androids have more customization to your needs.. themes, widgets, and so on
androids have google ios. google owns all.
androids will and will always have better hardware/software. well that depends on the manufacture. i like samsung.
android is a little green dude how cool is he other than an apple..
now we got that out of the way here is more reasons..
android phones have different features depending on its manufacturer. samsung/htc/motorolla
androids have more customization to your needs.. themes, widgets, and so on
androids have google ios. google owns all.
androids will and will always have better hardware/software. well that depends on the manufacture. i like samsung.
android is a little green dude how cool is he other than an apple..
logicalsteve
Newbie
You first line about where the iPhone is made is just plain wrong and after that I couldn't understand what you were saying.
With iphone Apple tells you what's good for you.
With Android (which is an OS btw) you buy the phone you like with the specs you like. Ignore my previous posts, I wasn't myself lately but as much as I love my Macs and iPad, etc. I still prefer an Android phone (mainly Samsung and HTC) over the iPhone. Currently waiting tonseemif I'm jumping to iPhone 5 if it delivers otherwise Note 2 yes please!
With Android (which is an OS btw) you buy the phone you like with the specs you like. Ignore my previous posts, I wasn't myself lately but as much as I love my Macs and iPad, etc. I still prefer an Android phone (mainly Samsung and HTC) over the iPhone. Currently waiting tonseemif I'm jumping to iPhone 5 if it delivers otherwise Note 2 yes please!
breadnatty08
pain rustique
Can't most people see how the opinions in this thread are based on speculation and facts they can't substantiate?
"I like Android people because they chose their phone"
"less than 20% of iPhone owners will know if they have the best phone for them"
I'm not quoting word for word here, but you can immediately tell the debate isn't fair. Then again, why would it be? This is an Android Forum and inevitably its contributors will gravitate towards Androids and claim it's everyone else that is a "fanboy" - but not them (which is the whole premise of their posts).
iPhone 5 should be a cool phone. Enjoy it. Apple have done amazing things for the mobile phone market - the App store and investing heavily in open sourced software being among them.
"I like Android people because they chose their phone"
"less than 20% of iPhone owners will know if they have the best phone for them"
I'm not quoting word for word here, but you can immediately tell the debate isn't fair. Then again, why would it be? This is an Android Forum and inevitably its contributors will gravitate towards Androids and claim it's everyone else that is a "fanboy" - but not them (which is the whole premise of their posts).
iPhone 5 should be a cool phone. Enjoy it. Apple have done amazing things for the mobile phone market - the App store and investing heavily in open sourced software being among them.
rui-no-onna
Android Enthusiast
Some might argue that with the iPad, Apple also tells you what's good for you, same as it does with the iPhone. That doesn't prevent the iPad from being the most popular tablet available. I do wonder why a double standard exists. Why is the iPhone automatically bad when the iPad is considered good? Both are equally locked down.
I use a number of mobile devices: Android (Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 7, Transformer Infinity, a bunch of Xperias), iOS (iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch) and WP7 (LG Quantum). Not one of them is perfect and each device/OS has its set of strengths and flaws. I just don't see why so many users here can easily make blanket statements that iPhone owners are idiotic sheep just following the Borg.
Not exactly true.
- original iPhone: ARM 1176JZ(F)-S + 128MB RAM
- iPhone 3G: ARM 1176JZ(F)-S + 128MB RAM
- iPhone 3GS: single-core ARM Cortex A8 + 256MB RAM + PowerVR SGX535 150MHz
- iPhone 4: Apple A4 (single-core ARM Cortex A8-based) + 512MB RAM + PowerVR SGX535 200MHz
- iPhone 4S: Apple A5 (dual-core ARM Cortex A9-based) + 512MB RAM + PowerVR SGX543MP2
Going by the above trend, I don't think we'll see improvements in terms of CPU power. More than likely, what we'll see at best is an improved GPU to handle the slightly higher resolution and perhaps an increase in RAM.
OfTheDamned
The Friendly Undead
Most comments are based on user experience. Since the iPhone is one of the more popular devices on the market there are plenty of people that get them without knowing anything about smartphones. The same comment can be made about the Galaxy S3 and the Droid Razr Maxx though.
It is typically anecdotal, but just about everyone knows at least 5 iPhone users that don't know anything about the product they have. I used to have a boss with an iPhone that would sing the praises of Apple (no seriously he would sing about it and off-key too), but didn't have a single app installed and never really did anything smartphonish with it. It was just an over the top phone for him. Then again I'm sure that everyone also knows plenty of Android users that bought the phone, got the free version and knows nothing about it or how to use it.
The main difference I've noticed between these two different groups of users is that the Android buyers don't talk about their phones constantly. We do here, of course, it is an Android forum. What else are we going to do? In the real world though, you don't come across a bunch of Android users sitting around talking about it. They don't try to show you the latest thing that Google Now said to you. They don't bring up all the apps they found in Google Play. They don't have the same cultish qualities in the real world that a lot of Apple users do.
On the other hand, there used to be memes devoted to iPhone users trying to show you the latest app they found. The ones I know talk endlessly about their phones or try to show you the latest thing that Siri said to them. Some I know will go on and on about features that my phone had 3 years ago and then try to prove to me that it is better than what I have. "Well maybe your phone does have a notification panel, but it isn't as nice as this."
Of course Android has flaws, every OS does. We all know that Apple does make a good phone and tablet. We all know that the majority of people have found the right phone for them. It is the overly vocal minority of Apple users that irritate everyone. They are the group we all know we will hear from later today or tomorrow. They will be the ones telling us about these amazing new features that we've been using for the last year already.
To put it simply, many find certain iPhone users annoying. They are irritated with Apple as a company for all the legal garbage they keep pulling while they copy other people's tech left and right. Constantly bias from some tech blogs towards the iPhone is frustrating and silly. Sometimes it comes out wrong and sometimes it looks like we are being mean, but we are among friends here. It isn't like we are going to an iPhone site and calling people names. Many are just venting frustrations or making statements based off of experience. If you really look through the forum and find some threads where people are asking what phone to buy, you'll see that most contain people telling them to buy whichever phone will suit their purposes best. We don't really care which phone they buy in the end as long as they get what they need. You'll also notice plenty of back and forth between users about this Android phone vs that Android phone. We like to debate the merits of each phone and try and prove each other wrong. At the end of the day it is usually a Coke vs Pespi argument where personal taste makes the end decision, but it passes the time and good information is usually shared by all.
having spent years on jailbreaking ios from 2.x to 5.x i learned my way around well but it took just a few moments with the s3 on 4.0 before i came to my senses and just like that, a die hard jailbroken iphone fan was turned. cydia is growing to big, it needs a re-face or something to introduce whats available. its nothing compared to apples very own appstore or the google store. i do miss a handful of the appstore apps especially their games but the versatility and the simple fact that an unrooted android runs with all the features and then some of a jailbroken ios- dont get me wrong, a stock ios is as stable as they come its complete boring shit
jova33
Android Expert
I just jailbroke my wife's iPod. Cydia is really hard to navigate. I got SIRI installed though lol. But I can't figure out anything awesome to do with it.
OfTheDamned
The Friendly Undead
Just watched the announcement aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnd not impressed. The camera looks nice (although the excitement over panorama was a little sad), but other that it is an Android phone running iOs with a bunch of features we already saw at Google I/O.
ExtremeNerd
Android Enthusiast
That was a waste of my time. They showed NOTHING new. Sure, it's a great new iPhone, but it's still the same old iPhone. Nothing revolutionary.
OfTheDamned
The Friendly Undead
I'm not saying they didn't have some good new features for current iPhone users. They did. Like you said though, I was expecting a little more of a wow factor out of it. Up until the 4s I was always pretty impressed with the new features they showed each year.
ExtremeNerd
Android Enthusiast
That's exactly how I would sum it up. Go upgrade if you have a 4 or 3gs, but I can't forsee any converts from high end Android phones. Quite a shame, since it only harms us consumers in the long run.
*insert too busy filing lawsuits to innovate joke here*
OfTheDamned
The Friendly Undead
That is my feeling exactly.
No. There was no mention of NFC at all. Some are speculating that Apple might see it the same way they did Flash. Which is really disappointing for those that are waiting for NFC to really take off.
Not really. Apple is going to repeat this cycle until their numbers start falling. I can't blame them, really. I'm not sure I'd be willing to change the formula if the formula is making me a gross amount of cash. Falling sales numbers get CEOs replaced. Releasing a device that isn't leaps and bounds more 'revolutionary' then the last doesn't, unless it causes your sales numbers to fall.
As Android devices keep vying for the top Android device and maybe even the top device overall(and as recently as last week when the GS3 started outselling the iPhone 4S), Apple will be forced to shift strategies. Right now they're riding the wave and delivering exactly what people expect out of the new iPhone. Nothing more, nothing less. People expected a bigger screen, LTE, and an improved camera. That's what they delivered.
I might be taking your comment out of context, because I removed all but that statement.
ExtremeNerd
Android Enthusiast
No, you were spot on with what I was trying to say. While I agree that sales will be the ultimate judge of their success, basic marketing concepts tell us that if you're not ahead of the curve, you can't be sustainable. Apple has been fantastic about creating hype and a NEED for their product. I'm wondering how long that can last while they're playing catch up on the feature side.
The fact that Apple has started paying a dividend tells me that even they think the growth seen over the last 3 years isn't sustainable. Competition is fierce now. Apple may still be top dog, but they're doing nothing other than lip service to stay there.
OfTheDamned
The Friendly Undead
I think he is referring to innovations that drive technology forward more than anything. There used to be huge advancements and things we'd never seen before or even thought of at all lot of these types of events. Now, as you said, it is all about incremental change. Moving forward slowly and steadily instead of blowing past everyone else to show something truly out of this world.
We saw Android drive LTE forward along with screen resolution, processor speed and a total revamp of the OS. I think many were expecting Apple to push past that to bring something new and exciting. If you are an Apple user then a lot of this is great and cool, but for Android users it isn't that exciting to see.
I know I was really looking for that one feature that would make me say, "Ok, now I could use something like that! I can't wait for something like that on Android." I didn't see it though and that gives me a sad.
Chi-TownTx
Well-Known Member
Ok i respect apple products but when it comes to the iphone 5 i will be that guy that says it. Just got done watching the event and LoL!
Seriously. Device is thinner, has an upgraded camera/cpu and other than the sapphire glass on the camera lens everything else is Android's "been there done that". This thing should sell for 200 bucks, 299 max. Sadly I am willing to bet the masses will pay 400 to 500 dollars for this thing.
Iphone 5? No thanks I don't want to downgrade myself.
Seriously. Device is thinner, has an upgraded camera/cpu and other than the sapphire glass on the camera lens everything else is Android's "been there done that". This thing should sell for 200 bucks, 299 max. Sadly I am willing to bet the masses will pay 400 to 500 dollars for this thing.
Iphone 5? No thanks I don't want to downgrade myself.
I can agree with this. We're basically speculating that, because they are behind the curve, they are losing momentum and it's only a matter of time before that wave doesn't crest.
It kind of reminds me of when Samsung released the details on the Galaxy S3. People were initially disappointed that the GS3's hardware specs didn't simply blow away the GS2's hardware specs. Until people got the device to review. All of the little things that make the phone more enjoyable to use (Smart Stay, gesture motions, speaking to take a photo, etc) mattered more than making the processor twice as fast and etc etc. That's part of the reason why I picked it to be my device.
I think Apple is stuck in the loop that Android devices were in recent history. Bump the stats as high as you can and hope for the best. Will the better processor matter when you're using the phone on a day-to-day basis? I don't think so. But I use Smart Stay on a daily basis, it makes me wish my tablet had the same feature.
I know I was really looking for that one feature that would make me say, "Ok, now I could use something like that! I can't wait for something like that on Android." I didn't see it though and that gives me a sad.
This also makes me sad. Had Apple not pushed Siri so hard, we wouldn't have Google Now, or are not very likely to have it, yet. Had they not pushed a smooth OS so much, we wouldn't have the Jelly Bean tweaks or such a push for better cameras in phones.