iPhone 5 versus Android

[Rxpert83]

I used to be under the impression that iPhones couldn't be hacked, but my younger relatives all have "jailbroken" theirs to access a secondary market of apps (Cydia) not approved by Apple. They can also be overclocked, but like Android users, most people just don't do it

Even jailbroken, you still couldn't do many of the things android rooted phones can do because apple is closed source.

Like mentioned above apple tried to sue its own users for jail breaking the device. Sounds like a smart move.

It is true that all iPhones are behind the latest Android hardware specs currently. But the thing is the iPhone 5 is almost certain to be getting what you just listed (lte, larger screens, nfc, multiple cores). So it will finally be caught up to all current-gen Androids with one swift release, and I think Tim Cook is playing it smarter than Steve Jobs, who tends to discount the benefits of complexity in hardware specs in favor of simplicity. I expect each subsequent release to be similar in prioritizing hardware upgrades like in Androids

Its not just the latest android devices. Apple is literally a couple of years behind flagship android devices.

I cant wait for the revolutionary announcement where they have innovated by catching up to those thieving android devices. It must be nice being able to say anything and have the public eat it up.

If they do in fact catch up... great, but its only a matter of a few months before they are behind again.

The US *will* have quad core lte capable phones before too long, and Apple *may* be getting their first dual core device and *may* finally get lte

 

[chanchan05]

The US *will* have quad core lte capable phones before too long, and Apple *may* be getting their first dual core device and *may* finally get lte

The iPhone 4S is a dual core A9. Anyway, LTE is questionable since they get their chips from Samsung, and Samsung says they'll sue if Apple activates LTE.

 

[adaaaam]

You do know Apple tried to sue users that jail broke their phones?

No I did not, that sounds peposterous

Well a lot of things stock Android can do can only be done on jailbroken iPhones, so still, it really depends on a person's tastes.

I have no idea what your point is in posting this sentence. What depends on a person's taste? I was responding to jhtalisman's assertion that Androids can be rooted implying iOS can't, when in fact both can be hacked to do things like over or underclock.

Oh yeah, I lack the faith in Tim Cook you have. With Jobs at least I could always expect something, even if I didn't like Apple. With Cook all I could see he did was slap retina screen everywhere.

I'm not faithful to Tim Cook, Steve Jobs, or Apple, I'm faithful to Google. Chanchan your posts always confuse me...

 

[adaaaam]

Even jailbroken, you still couldn't do many of the things android rooted phones can do because apple is closed source.

That's exactly how I used to think, until I played around on Cydia, which has tens of thousands of apps and tweaks, which enables iPhones to do everything a rooted Android can do (to my surprise). Some things include wifi tethering and over/underclocking, while others are things unrooted Androids already do (widgets, theming, file exploration). My point is before, like most Android users, I assumed that iPhones would never be able to do everything a rooted Android can, but I was wrong. Also, if you think about it, many Android models have to be rooted to gain the efficiency in battery usage that iPhones already enjoy, so the fact that jailbroken iOS gains unrooted Android features goes both ways.

Like mentioned above apple tried to sue its own users for jail breaking the device. Sounds like a smart move.

You know what I gotta believe you that Apple probably pulled a stupid move like that a while ago and learned from it, but it doesn't take away from my point (that iOS can be hacked much like Android can). I'm pretty sure all it does is void your warranty

 

[chanchan05]

I have no idea what your point is in posting this sentence. What depends on a person's taste? I was responding to jhtalisman's assertion that Androids can be rooted implying iOS can't, when in fact both can be hacked to do things like over or underclock.

I was implying that Android users do not need to root to get some of the features that iOS users need to. For simplicity's sake you can just get an Android phone and do stuff like that out of the box, like choosing whether to use what GSM band to use.

I'm not faithful to Tim Cook, Steve Jobs, or Apple, I'm faithful to Google. Chanchan your posts always confuse me...

to quote you:

Tim Cook is playing it smarter than Steve Jobs, who tends to discount the benefits of complexity in hardware specs in favor of simplicity. I expect each subsequent release to be similar in prioritizing hardware upgrades like in Androids

That statement implies that you have some form of "faith" in Tim Cook that he will do something to get back on track. to which I replied I doubt it.

 

[adaaaam]

I knew exactly what you were implying, just wasn't sure what you meant by "it depends". What depends?

 

[hairypiglet]

Apple has fallen way behind and the only way for them to catch up now that Jobs is out of the game is to play the blame game and point fingers at anyone and everyone whom they believe infringed upon their patents. Apple knows they are losing the market, which is why they are attempting to ban all of the alleged infringing devices from the market. Don't wait for the iPhone 5. IF it does happen to be a magically intuitive device that breaks new ground in the spartphone industry you can expect it to come at a price that most people simply cannot with sound reasoning justify spending. Get an Android. Even the Galaxy Nexus, which debuted in December, will most likely be comparable to the iPhone 5 hardware.

 

[hairypiglet]

And now Samsung is threatening lawsuits on any LTE capable device released by Apple, meaning even if Apple releases an LTE device that doesn't infringe upon Samsungs patents, it's possible that Apples LTE device will have limited LTE coverage. This patent war is only hurting the consumers.

WHO ELSE WANTS A GOOPHONE? Just for the sheer sake of having one!

 

[chanchan05]

I knew exactly what you were implying, just wasn't sure what you meant by "it depends". What depends?

It depends on the person who is buying the phone. Its entire preference in that point. On how the person wants things done out of the box. It also depends on the person's views on rooting/jailbreaking. Some people simply do not want to do those stuff for one reason or another. So debating that things done on stock Android can be done on a jailbroken iPhone is kind of pointless when many people actually don't jailbreak. Not really sure how much you don't understand by "it depends entirely on the person's preference" in the original statement.

 

[adaaaam]

You are very unclear to what this 'it' is that depends on a person's preference. Joining the army? Mowing the lawn? My whole point was if you were implying that whether a person buys an iOS or Android device is based on personal preferences, you're stating something really obvious and irrelevant to my post you were responding to. Of course people buy one thing or the other based on their preference, why would one buy something unpreferred......

 

[hairypiglet]

I used to be under the impression that iPhones couldn't be hacked, but my younger relatives all have "jailbroken" theirs to access a secondary market of apps (Cydia)... the iPhone 5 is almost certain to be getting what you just listed (lte, larger screens, nfc, multiple cores). So it will finally be caught up to all current-gen Androids with one swift release, and I think Tim Cook is playing it smarter than Steve Jobs...

Jailbreaking an iPhone is about a lot more than accessing Cydia. It gave one the freedom to trade apps with friends or access an entire network of other sources for apps, roms, etc. As well as, unlocking the bootloader to use the phone on another carrier, which is no longer necessary now that the Apple-AT&T contract is over.

As for the iPhone 5, it will undoubtedly have higher specs and better hardware than the 4S, but until the release of the iPhone 4 and 4S Apple doubled the processor and RAM capabilities with each release. As well as increasing battery life. I would not discount Jobs. I think he saw the importance of hardware, but with his failing health and the uncertainty of who would take over Apple, there were too many obstacles and the iPhone4/4S resulted in disappointment. I actually think Tim Cook will take Apple in a direction I don't care to follow. As far as we know these were failed experiments, but Jobs did mention the "sheet of glass" Apple flatscreen TV designed to make cable boxes and DVR a thing of the past. Even a vehicle with onboard CPU/dash unit designed by Apple.

Not that I would buy them, but I'm seriously curious how these items were created/died and really think that they could have been innovative and illustrate how Jobs was trying to rethink the way we lived our lives by bringing the flexibility of CPU to various unrelated household items. His failure was in limiting what his customers could do with what could have been truly innovative items.

That is where Google comes to the consumers rescue.

 

[ColtonLane]

Can't root iPhone

 

[Ole Man Dan]

I personally like the Droid Razr.
Put it in a Otter Box or other tough protective case and it's good for work or leisure...

I think some folks who favor I-Phones have shied away from the larger phones for vanity reasons.
IMHO: That's the wrong reason for choosing a phone...

I was looking for a strong phone that worked.
I was looking for a larger screen.
Bullet Proof or something close, was high on my list.
Vanity was near the bottom of my list.

In some instances the right phone with the wrong carrier equals zero.
I wanted a phone that worked well where I wanted to go,
I checked the available carriers and chose Verision, due to coverage.
Sometimes I hunt, fish, and camp in remote areas with poor coverage.
If I stayed in a big city and seldom left, I may have chose a different carrier.

It's different strokes for different folks.
Buy what works for you.

 

[adaaaam]

Can't root iPhone

Lol...if you read the thread you would realize the the iOS equivalent of gaining superuser access exists, is not called rooting, and it's a common misconception among Android users that iOS cannot be 'rooted'.

In the end, both platforms have different strengths by design. Androids are very customizable and truly multitask, at the expense of battery life. iPhones handle battery life like a champ out of the box because it doesn't truly multitask, and is less customizable (by design). Both platforms can be altered to achieve the strengths of the other: Androids are rooted mainly to extend battery life, and iOS is jailbroken to gain customizability (at the expense of battery life). With each passing generation of hardware/OS, however, each side becomes more like the other: Androids are improving in battery life, and iOS is gaining more and more customizable features. The end result is that consumers win, as ideally each platform will ultimately become equivalent, and choice is always great for consumers.

 

[mogelijk]

How do you compare any Android phone to a phone that hasn't been released and there are no factual specs?

You should pick the phone that is best for your needs on the carrier that is best for you.

Considering it's only 13 days away, yes, it's worth waiting to see if Apple has a super-secret killer feature in the iPhone 5. I think you'll end up buying an Android anyway, but until that day, we will never know

Except we know what the features of the new iPhone 5 are going to be, Apple announced iOS 6 back in June. People have been using the iOS 6 beta for months now. All we don't know are what the exact specs are going to be but there is no reason to expect the specs of the iPhone are going to be any better than top Android phones today, especially since Samsung is one of the main parts suppliers for the iPhone.

The "surprises" were released when the new iPad was announced -- that appears to have become Apple's flagship product, instead of the iPhone.

And now Samsung is threatening lawsuits on any LTE capable device released by Apple, meaning even if Apple releases an LTE device that doesn't infringe upon Samsungs patents, it's possible that Apples LTE device will have limited LTE coverage. This patent war is only hurting the consumers.

WHO ELSE WANTS A GOOPHONE? Just for the sheer sake of having one!

Actually, Samsung can't block Apple from using LTE. They can demand money from Apple to add LTE in their phones but they cannot block them from using it. The courts have ruled that "essential" phone operations (such as the antennas) have to be licensed to all companies that want it; it is only the "features" that aren't required (such as searching, the look of the phone and UI, etc.) that are not allowed to be copied.

Samsung may sue Apple for using LTE but they can't stop the iPhone from being sold, all the court will do is determine a fair licensing cost for the LTE technology that Apple has to pay.

 

[adaaaam]

All we don't know are what the exact specs are going to be but there is no reason to expect the specs of the iPhone are going to be any better than top Android phones today, especially since Samsung is one of the main parts suppliers for the iPhone.

"What the exact specs are going to be" is exactly the reason to see if Apple has anything surprising to offer. Of course iOS isn't the reason people wait for the new iPhone, just as Android 4.0 shouldn't ever be the reason people wait for new Android hardware. It's just an operating system that can run on older iPhones, the hardware's what's new and surprising.

Samsung's relationship to Apple as a parts supplier has no relevancy to whether the hardware will be surprising or better than top Android phones. It could be 5" if all the leaked photos are fake, sport a quadcore CPU, even have a keyboard for all we know. When Apple released a new iPhone with a front facing camera, it was a surprisingly innovative hardware feature that other manufacturers continue to use. The point is the hardware is what people are waiting on, not iOS. Only Apple knows what's up their sleeve. However if there are no true innovations and all it is is a 4", thinner, dual-core iPhone, then the wait is pointless. But until 9/12 no one can say anything for sure unless you have ESP. For all we know an iPhone may not even be announced (unlikely though)

 

[mogelijk]

"What the exact specs are going to be" is exactly the reason to see if Apple has anything surprising to offer. Of course iOS isn't the reason people wait for the new iPhone, just as Android 4.0 shouldn't ever be the reason people wait for new Android hardware. It's just an operating system that can run on older iPhones, the hardware's what's new and surprising.

Samsung's relationship to Apple as a parts supplier has no relevancy to whether the hardware will be surprising or better than top Android phones. It could be 5" if all the leaked photos are fake, sport a quadcore CPU, even have a keyboard for all we know. When Apple released a new iPhone with a front facing camera, it was a surprisingly innovative hardware feature that other manufacturers continue to use. The point is the hardware is what people are waiting on, not iOS. Only Apple knows what's up their sleeve. However if there are no true innovations and all it is is a 4", thinner, dual-core iPhone, then the wait is pointless. But until 9/12 no one can say anything for sure unless you have ESP. For all we know an iPhone may not even be announced (unlikely though)

My point is, there are already phones with 5" screens, quad core processors, etc. It might be surprising, to those who didn't expect those things but hardly anything to make it worth the wait.

The point on iOS is if there was new hardware, such as the front facing camera, then it would need to be supported by iOS -- in the case of the camera, FaceTime. In previous versions of iOS, some things have been figured out about the new phones based on things found in the iOS beta. That nothing was announced when iOS 6 and the new iPad were announced, combined with nothing extra found in the beta, is strong evidence that there will be nothing new for cell phones on the iPhone 5, even if it is new for the iPhone.

 

[chanchan05]

"What the exact specs are going to be" is exactly the reason to see if Apple has anything surprising to offer. Of course iOS isn't the reason people wait for the new iPhone, just as Android 4.0 shouldn't ever be the reason people wait for new Android hardware. It's just an operating system that can run on older iPhones, the hardware's what's new and surprising.

Samsung's relationship to Apple as a parts supplier has no relevancy to whether the hardware will be surprising or better than top Android phones. It could be 5" if all the leaked photos are fake, sport a quadcore CPU, even have a keyboard for all we know. When Apple released a new iPhone with a front facing camera, it was a surprisingly innovative hardware feature that other manufacturers continue to use. The point is the hardware is what people are waiting on, not iOS. Only Apple knows what's up their sleeve. However if there are no true innovations and all it is is a 4", thinner, dual-core iPhone, then the wait is pointless. But until 9/12 no one can say anything for sure unless you have ESP. For all we know an iPhone may not even be announced (unlikely though)

How could releasing a phone with a front facing camera be innovative when my N70, released back in 2003 already had it? Let's face it, any hardware innovation from Apple is a copy of older tech that idiot iSheep think are new things.

 

[logicalsteve]

Can't root iPhone

Awesome analysis dude...all it needed to be post of the year would be "nuff said" added to the end. <------ (that is the sarcastic symbol by the way)

If you drive an F-150 pickup and hang out on the F-150 forums you would get the impression that 90% of the trucks out there have aftermarket exhaust and reprogrammed engine controls and oversize tires. In the real world it's probably actually 1% or less. There are enthusiasts and there are the "normal" people in every arena.

Normal people make phone calls, check email, look for a movie showtime, search for the nearest Starbucks, play that birds game or do some damn Facebook thing.....thats all. When normal people ask me what phone to get I might try to go into various options but if the eyes start to glaze ovber I usually just tell them to go get the latest iPhone.....frankly, it's a pretty good..probably the best...choice for most people.

How could releasing a phone with a front facing camera be innovative when my N70, released back in 2003 already had it? Let's face it, any hardware innovation from Apple is a copy of older tech that idiot iSheep think are new things.

The world would be a better place if it was not as easy for people to take pictures of themselves...not everything new is an advancement.

 

[brionesfaith]

Hi everyone,

I am new to the forum and just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Kevin and I wanted to know everyone's thoughts on whether or not it is worth waiting to see what the iPhone 5 has in store before buying an Android?

Personally, I like Android and am anti-apple. But, I'm curious too.

I hate Apple just recently. It's boring, though, I mean the iPhone and the other gadgets unlike those gadgets in Android OS, they're great! That's why I'm happy with my Samsung S3 because it surprises me about how much I can do with a smartphone.

And I wrote about the recent win between Apple and Samsung, though. I felt that Samsung should have won.

Here's the link: ici 4 dma a web developer

 

[ab30494]

How can anyone not like Apple unless they can't afford it? It's glass and aluminum. It's a beautiful thing and is revolutionary.

I have a feeling you are being sarcastic

I hate apple cause their business practices. And glass on the back was the dumbest idea ever

 

[ab30494]

I hate Apple just recently. It's boring, though, I mean the iPhone and the other gadgets unlike those gadgets in Android OS, they're great! That's why I'm happy with my Samsung S3 because it surprises me about how much I can do with a smartphone.

And I wrote about the recent win between Apple and Samsung, though. I felt that Samsung should have won.

Here's the link: ici 4 dma a web developer

it should be getting overturned.

jury admitted didnt even read any of the instructions. and the foreman swayed the jury

 

[pcgamer]

Android is not always harder to get accustomed to. My little brother figured out how to use my tablet by himself.

 

[adaaaam]

I'm just pointing out that if an Android user went on MacRumors to extoll the virtues of Android he would receive more of an open mind and less emotionally charged discussion.

Also, your implication seems inaccurate, as I joined this forum before you or half these posters did. What I am is an avid proponent of valuable, objective debate, not what I've been noticing alot of.. just an observation

 

[jova33]

I hate that every movie that comes out is an Apple commercial. Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol is the worst with this.