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Is it really worth it?

stancrazy said:
A list of things that has "sold a lot".

Beanie babies
members only jackets
zippered cargo pants
Ford Escorts
Trolls
Cabage Patch dolls
Furby
virtual pets.

Are you suggesting that retail success automatically = a "quality product" because the evidence suggests other wise.
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There is a big difference between the concepts of success/failure and whether something is a "quality product".

I did not see one person in this thread try to claim the Galaxy S was a quality product. The discussion was whether is was a success or failure. I imagine Samsung considers it a success, not a failure, because it sold so many units. I think many customers consider it a fail because of all of the problems with the units. Clearly a phone can be a success without being a quality product.
 
Zonker1 said:
Clearly a phone can be a success without being a quality product.
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Then its a smiple misunderstanding as i am fairly certain what you stated above (while not explicitly explained) was what was MEANT by the term "fail". (The consumers stand point about its quality).

AndreaCristiano said:
so your using the galaxy S as not a fail? Just because it sells doesnt make it a success
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Substitute "quality" for "success" in the above quote and our debate over symantics can end. lol
 
stancrazy said:
A list of things that has "sold a lot".

Beanie babies
members only jackets
zippered cargo pants
Ford Escorts
Trolls
Cabage Patch dolls
Furby
virtual pets.

Are you suggesting that retail success automatically = a "quality product" because the evidence suggests other wise.
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please indicate where he says success means quality....yeah you can't.
 
Zonker1 said:
if a quality product does not sell well, is it a success?
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If a tree falls in the woods... I think we may be getting metaphysical now.

There is no clear answer on the sales volume/success issue.

It was pretty clear that while Beta was better than VHS, Beta was a failure. So it would appear the answer to your question is a no. However its not very clear on something like cell phones as they have a very short product cycle (unlike the VCR which was around longer than a decade). There have been various video cards, etc etc which did not sell as well as they should have but were such good products that they were in fact considered a success.

I suppose the answer depends on who you ask and in what context/product line you are referring to?

For the purposes of this discussion though..i think most of us would agree that a crappy product is a fail even if the masses all get tricked into buying one. Diamler/chrysler/dodge/GM/Chevy owners from 1990 to 2007 And Ford owners from 1985 to 2003 would most likely unamiously agree....
 
stancrazy said:
If a tree falls in the woods... I think we may be getting metaphysical now.

There is no clear answer on the sales volume/success issue.

It was pretty clear that while Beta was better than VHS, Beta was a failure. So it would appear the answer to your question is a no. However its not very clear on something like cell phones as they have a very short product cycle (unlike the VCR which was around longer than a decade). There have been various video cards, etc etc which did not sell as well as they should have but were such good products that they were in fact considered a success.

I suppose the answer depends on who you ask and in what context/product line you are referring to?

For the purposes of this discussion though..i think most of us would agree that a crappy product is a fail even if the masses all get tricked into buying one. Diamler/chrysler/dodge/GM/Chevy owners from 1990 to 2007 And Ford owners from 1985 to 2003 would most likely unamiously agree....
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I own a 1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo that is still in fantastic shape, I would consider it a successful purchase.
 
tonyb81 said:
I own a 1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo that is still in fantastic shape, I would consider it a successful purchase.
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No offense meant. Although we are still on topic of whats a "worth while purchase" we are a bit off topic from if the inspire is worth it now.

Your point is taken although to be fair..in 1997, a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry was a far better purchase than anything by Chevy or Ford..especially if it had 4 cylinders and/or front wheel drive. (Maybe not the case for v8 trucks).

That was rather my point.....( you know where i am coming from)

As opposed to now days.... (at least as far as Ford is concerned) a Fusion or Focus is a MUCH better purchase than a Honda or toyota, and GM is bringing its quality up year by year as well.

But to get back on topic.

Captivate=fail quality wise
Inspire = Success price/quality wise
Atrix=No one really knows..but its not living up to the hype, that much is for sure.

Verdict=The inspire is most likely "worth it".
 
stancrazy said:
No offense meant. Although we are still on topic of whats a "worth while purchase" we are a bit off topic from if the inspire is worth it now.

Your point is taken although to be fair..in 1997, a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry was a far better purchase than anything by Chevy or Ford..especially if it had 4 cylinders and/or front wheel drive. (Maybe not the case for v8 trucks).

That was rather my point.....( you know where i am coming from)

As opposed to now days.... (at least as far as Ford is concerned) a Fusion or Focus is a MUCH better purchase than a Honda or toyota, and GM is bringing its quality up year by year as well.

But to get back on topic.

Captivate=fail quality wise
Inspire = Success price/quality wise
Atrix=No one really knows..but its not living up to the hype, that much is for sure.

Verdict=The inspire is most likely "worth it".
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I'm sorry but can you elaborate on how the Captivate fails quality wise? I own a Fascinate which is similar and while i'm disappointed with some things about it, it doesn't fail when it comes to quality.
 
Well one thing off of the top of my head was the captivate was out about what? A month before they released a GPS fix which never really did work. Last week engadget announced that they were FINALLY releasing a 2.2 update to the captivate...7 MONTHS LATE... About 20 minutes later the update was pulled, with no explanation. I never owned a captivate but do a search on this forum from owners..you will find lists of literally 10-20 things that were either design flaws, made it less user friendly or was just plain annoying about it. (you will find them if you are reading the same posts IVE been reading on here the last few months).
 
stancrazy said:
Well one thing off of the top of my head was the captivate was out about what? A month before they released a GPS fix which never really did work. Last week engadget announced that they were FINALLY releasing a 2.2 update to the captivate...7 MONTHS LATE... About 20 minutes later the update was pulled, with no explanation. I never owned a captivate but do a search on this forum from owners..you will find lists of literally 10-20 things that were either design flaws, made it less user friendly or was just plain annoying about it. (you will find them if you are reading the same posts IVE been reading on here the last few months).
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So the only thing that affected quality was the gps problem. While I'm still waiting for 2.2 on my Fascinate, not having a more updated version of Android isn't poor quality. Poor support, yes, but not a poor quality phone itself. As an actual phone I think it's quality I've used one many times and it did a great job, and just like every phone out there it has problems.

I owned a HTC Droid Eris, that had the dreaded "silent bug" that HTC never fixed, a glitch where the phone would automatically go to 50% without signal on cell standbay, which htc never fixed. Also a bug where the messaging app would not let the phone go to sleep, which htc never fixed.
 
I've owned a captivate since July. There is no doubt that the captivate is a fail. I have suffered along with many other users on the captivate forum. The only thing that made the captivate bearable was the developer support/custom roms on xda.

Along with the gps disaster (which still has not been fixed), many captivates suffer from random shutdowns where the phone turns itself off. This problem potentially affects ALL captivates made prior to November I believe. On top of that, the stock device suffers from significant lag, screen burn in, and soft keys that are very difficult to use.

It sounds like other galaxy s devices turned out better than the captivate. That does not mean the captivate is anything but a disaster in a cool screen...
 
Zonker1 said:
I've owned a captivate since July. There is no doubt that the captivate is a fail. I have suffered along with many other users on the captivate forum. The only thing that made the captivate bearable was the developer support/custom roms on xda.

Along with the gps disaster (which still has not been fixed), many captivates suffer from random shutdowns where the phone turns itself off. This problem potentially affects ALL captivates made prior to November I believe. On top of that, the stock device suffers from significant lag, screen burn in, and soft keys that are very difficult to use.

It sounds like other galaxy s devices turned out better than the captivate. That does not mean the captivate is anything but a disaster in a cool screen...
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this sums up my point many people bought captivates AT&T sold shit loads, but they were a fail( along with other galaxy S) , tarnished the image of samsung and hurt the end user experience for that company. Just because 2 million sold the end backlash against samsung is pretty huge if you read the forums and reviews. So with the Atrix there is more wrong it seems than the rosy hype about dual cores represented and it has the potential to do the same to motorola.
 
AndreaCristiano said:
this sums up my point many people bought captivates AT&T sold shit loads, but they were a fail( along with other galaxy S) , tarnished the image of samsung and hurt the end user experience for that company. Just because 2 million sold the end backlash against samsung is pretty huge if you read the forums and reviews. So with the Atrix there is more wrong it seems than the rosy hype about dual cores represented and it has the potential to do the same to motorola.
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i hope you don't believe that the majority of smartphone owners post on forums.
 
tonyb81 said:
i hope you don't believe that the majority of smartphone owners post on forums.
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No but what I believe is that just because 2 million sold and it was a monetary success for samsung doesnt mean that the taste it left in peoples mouth and disdain it left towards samsung equal success. The way the Atrix/bionic is shaping up it might do the same for motorola. For a product to be successful it has to enhance the brand as well as sell a lot. If it sells a lot and tarnishes the brands image then it was a fail! Case in point american cars in the 80's sold millions but slowly eroded at the American auto companies and gave toyota/honda a way in. Its taking many many years to reverse that! When these cars were selling I'm sure the big three thought we have a winner, but in the end it destroyed them. So please dont be nieve and judge a success only by sales numbers, because like others have shown and this example above thats not accurate
 
AndreaCristiano said:
No but what I believe is that just because 2 million sold and it was a monetary success for samsung doesnt mean that the taste it left in peoples mouth and disdain it left towards samsung equal success. The way the Atrix/bionic is shaping up it might do the same for motorola. For a product to be successful it has to enhance the brand as well as sell a lot. If it sells a lot and tarnishes the brands image then it was a fail! Case in point american cars in the 80's sold millions but slowly eroded at the American auto companies and gave toyota/honda a way in. Its taking many many years to reverse that! When these cars were selling I'm sure the big three thought we have a winner, but in the end it destroyed them. So please dont be nieve and judge a success only by sales numbers, because like others have shown and this example above thats not accurate
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How did the Galaxy S line not enhance the brand of Samsung smartphones? Google themselves chose Samsung for their follow up to the Nexus One. Tech wesbites all over are drooling over the Galaxy S 2. And please stop comparing the smartphone industry to the auto industry, just about every smartphone manufacturer is already based out of the US.
 
tonyb81 said:
How did the Galaxy S line not enhance the brand of Samsung smartphones? Google themselves chose Samsung for their follow up to the Nexus One. Tech wesbites all over are drooling over the Galaxy S 2. And please stop comparing the smartphone industry to the auto industry, just about every smartphone manufacturer is already based out of the US.
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you and your fascinate get a room and live in happiness my friend. You have serious blinders on if you did some research and saw actual user reaction to the galaxy S phones you would see also check the churn rate for galaxy S phones horrible! You obviously dont wanna see the truth good day enjoy your phone
 
AndreaCristiano said:
you and your fascinate get a room and live in happiness my friend. You have serious blinders on if you did some research and saw actual user reaction to the galaxy S phones you would see also check the churn rate for galaxy S phones horrible! You obviously dont wanna see the truth good day enjoy your phone
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Then tell me why Google chose Samsung to make the successor to the Nexus One instead of going back to HTC. Why do you think they made that choice? Also please humor me and inform me of the churn rate of Galaxy S phones, I would like to know where you got that data.
 
tonyb81 said:
Then tell me why Google chose Samsung to make the successor to the Nexus One instead of going back to HTC. Why do you think they made that choice? Also please humor me and inform me of the churn rate of Galaxy S phones, I would like to know where you got that data.
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My uncle is an AT&T executive and my best friend is a regional manager for Best buy.They made the choice because no HTC phones were easily optimized for the Nexus unlike the galaxy S at the time that was ready. The Next Nexus wont be a samsung
 
AndreaCristiano said:
My uncle is an AT&T executive and my best friend is a regional manager for Best buy.They made the choice because no HTC phones were easily optimized for the Nexus unlike the galaxy S at the time that was ready. The Next Nexus wont be a samsung
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Did you steal my blinders?
 
I agree that the Samsung Captivate was a big disappointment for me, but to call the Galaxy S as a whole a fail...I cannot agree with that.

The fact that they sold so many itself shows the device to be a success, at the time that is...

As of this minute, the Galaxy S is starting to lean towards Epic (4G) failure. (Pun intended :D).

They JUST now announced via AT&T's twitter and Facebook pages that the Captivate is getting Froyo tomorrow, 2/24. The Epic 4G just now got it this week as well, what happened to the whole "By October", or "By the end of 2010"?

I waited, and waited, and WAITED for 2.2 to come out for my old Captivate. Hoping it would fix the lag, fix the random shutdowns, fix the capacitive buttons malfunctioning. But, it became too long of a wait....6 months later, I made the switch to a high-end HTC device.

I will NEVER look back at Samsung again, their mobile market is finished in my book. The only thing I'd consider them for again is an HDTV.

The HTC Inspire 4G is everything I wanted in my Captivate, a working a beautiful UI, snappy, quick, and responsive to the touch (no lag).

The pinch-to-zoom speed is quite impressive, nearly IOS/Windows Phone 7 buttery smooth.

The HSPA+ speed is a good thing as well, I was sitting in my car late a couple nights ago outside my local Gamestop wait to go get my copy of Killzone 3. I got bored and decided to pop up some HD videos on youtube, man did those things buffer fast. I'm talking about 8-15 minute long videos too.

I absolutely love, love, LOVE my new Inspire and will never look anywhere else for smartphones but at HTC.






Just my two cents...
 
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