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offanairplane

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Hi, this is my first post in the Incredible section. I am currently an Eris user, but my wife is getting me a Dinc next month for my b-day. YAY!

Rooting/Romming the Eris is definitely worth the effort without a doubt, because it is EXTREMELY laggy if you don't. But that is mainly because it's underpowered. But the Dinc is not underpowered, so is it really necessary to root/rom? I know there are other reasons besides performance, but strictly from a performance standpoint, does it make that much of a difference? Or is the Dinc gonna be so much faster than my Eris that I'll see no need to root?


Thanks in advance!
 
offanairplane said:
so is it really necessary to root/rom?
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neccessary? no,not really. i rooted my dinc cause i enjoyed it so much on the eris. im also not a huge fan of HTC sense,so rooting lets me get away from sense based roms and lets me have plain old vanilla android.

other people root so they can wifi tether,add themes,remove preinstalled apps they dont want,get the benefit of other tweaks such as changing backgrounds,colors,etc.(cyanaogenmod roms have alot of "tweakability"),over or underclock the processor in hopes of better performance/battery life, and to be able to make system backups.

all of wich are very good reasons to do it,IMO :D


offanairplane said:
I know there are other reasons besides performance, but strictly from a performance standpoint, does it make that much of a difference?
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not really,in all honesty. stock rom and a highly optimized sense rom both scored about 1550 in a benchmark test on my phone. switching to cm7(AOSP based gingerbread,no sense) boosted that number up about 100 points,and overclocking the processor another 100 hz(to 1100) resulted in a score of 1769.

but does OCed cm7 feel much faster? not really. maybe a little when loading complex web pages,but its a good phone with good software in the first place. its not like the eris where you notice alot of performance difference.

offanairplane said:
Or is the Dinc gonna be so much faster than my Eris that I'll see no need to root?
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prolly so. ;) see above... unless you just want to tweak things a little.

if you do root it,if you dont care about froyo,and are a sense fan,i would very highly recomend "Incredibly Re-engineered" for your first rom. it works allot like stock,but it feels sooooo snappy. its also got a nice black theme and uses the gingerbread keyboard(sorry but i cant stand the stock sense keyboard :eek: )

it feels so fast and works so well,its the only sense rom i go back to every now and then. :cool:
 
Good advice scotty

offanairplane welcome and you'll love the Inc I came from an Eris last April (still have it and play with it to feed the flash addiction). The Inc is blazing play with it a while and see if rooting it is what you want to do.

Look at it this way. The battery life on the Inc is not good. Just like the performance on the Eris is not good. You rooted the Eris to increase it's performance. The same goes for the Inc and battery life. Root the Inc = much better battery life with the right setup/kernel/tools.

See how you like it for a week then decide
 
Thanks, Scotty85 and Jbdan!
That was good info.

I will definitely play around with it stock for a while, no matter what I do.
I was just curious. The Eris is an older phone, and so it's pretty well established how fast you can overclock without causing problems. Is the same true of the Incredible?

I use xtrRom_5.0 on my Eris, because it's stable, and fast. It doesn't have sense, but I am not opposed to Roms that do have Sense. I could take it or leave it to be honest.

But mainly I want a Rom that is snappy, and very stable, and fully-functional, no glitches or errors at all. Is that "Incredibly Engineered" rom pretty much what I am describing?

I have heard that the Incredible gets more miles per charge than the Eris by far even stock. Is that true?

One more question, and I apologize if I should've just looked this up for myself instead of asking. But is the Incredible scheduled to recieve an official update to GingerBread? Is it rumored? Was it originally Eclair and updated to Froyo, or was it Froyo from the beginning?


Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it!
 
offanairplane said:
The Eris is an older phone, and so it's pretty well established how fast you can overclock without causing problems. Is the same true of the Incredible?
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yes. 1100hz is the max stable OC speed. some OC higher,but it gets a lil risky :eek: i keep mine at 1000. my phone has no warranty,so better safe than sorry ;) as i mentioned, i really dont feel alot of difference from the extra 100hz

offanairplane said:
But mainly I want a Rom that is snappy, and very stable, and fully-functional, no glitches or errors at all. Is that "Incredibly Engineered" rom pretty much what I am describing?
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YES. for sure: check it out here: http://androidforums.com/incredible...2-8-11-fast-beautiful-simply-magnificent.html

offanairplane said:
I have heard that the Incredible gets more miles per charge than the Eris by far even stock. Is that true?
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hard for me to judge. i cant get thru a whole day on any of my phones without a charge :p i use it alot. also both my eris and my dinc are used,so the batteries may not be in the best of shape on either.

offanairplane said:
One more question, and I apologize if I should've just looked this up for myself instead of asking. But is the Incredible scheduled to recieve an official update to GingerBread? Is it rumored? Was it originally Eclair and updated to Froyo, or was it Froyo from the beginning?
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started as 2.1,then updated to 2.2. an OTA 2.3 is not out of the question,but i prolly would not hold my breath ;) there are a couple good 2.3 AOSP roms to try,no need to wait for OTA :) i use the cm7 nightlies and would very highly recomend them.


offanairplane said:
Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it!
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youre welcome :)
 
scotty85 said:
yes. 1100hz is the max stable OC speed. some OC higher,but it gets a lil risky :eek: i keep mine at 1000. my phone has no warranty,so better safe than sorry ;) as i mentioned, i really dont feel alot of difference from the extra 100hz


YES. for sure: check it out here: http://androidforums.com/incredible...2-8-11-fast-beautiful-simply-magnificent.html


hard for me to judge. i cant get thru a whole day on any of my phones without a charge :p i use it alot. also both my eris and my dinc are used,so the batteries may not be in the best of shape on either.


started as 2.1,then updated to 2.2. an OTA 2.3 is not out of the question,but i prolly would not hold my breath ;) there are a couple good 2.3 AOSP roms to try,no need to wait for OTA :) i use the cm7 nightlies and would very highly recomend them.




youre welcome :)
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Thanks again for answering all my questions!

I'm sure I'll have more once I actually start playing with my new toy. :)
 
Save the battery from your Eris. I made the same change you did a couple months back. The Dinc is great, but I found that I am using it a lot more than I did the Eris. the batteries both work.

To your question. I rooted mine because I could. I used a number of ROMs on my Eris, so I said why not. I love it, I used one of the Incredibly ReEngineered roms. It is just about the way I wanted it. I say go for it. Get Lou's #9 Kernal to go with it, it is good for the battery I think.
 
wesleypipesyo said:
Save the battery from your Eris. I made the same change you did a couple months back. The Dinc is great, but I found that I am using it a lot more than I did the Eris. the batteries both work.
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Thanks for the tip. I never would've thought the Eris battery would've been compatible with the Incredible.


I was reading the last few pages of the "Incredibly ReEngineered" thread, and there sure are a lot of people having problems with it. I know some of them are because they didn't follow the install directions to the letter. But some of them are real problems. And I just don't know if it would be worth it.

So I am back to square 1.

Well see how I feel after I've used it stock for a while.
 
offanairplane said:
Thanks for the tip. I never would've thought the Eris battery would've been compatible with the Incredible.


I was reading the last few pages of the "Incredibly ReEngineered" thread, and there sure are a lot of people having problems with it. I know some of them are because they didn't follow the install directions to the letter. But some of them are real problems. And I just don't know if it would be worth it.

So I am back to square 1.

Well see how I feel after I've used it stock for a while.
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The phone is great in stock form. I loved it. I rooted because I cant leave well enough alone. But you know, it was worth it. I was playing with fire when I did mine. I just selected anything that said wipe from the Hboot menu. So I lost everything. I was too lazy to back up anything that was not on my memory card. I did go and buy a 2gig card for rooting purposes. Just follow the steps in a guide you can find here. You will be fine.

http://androidforums.com/incredible...credibly-re-engineered-v2-3-2-02-25-11-a.html

I am running that rom with the Lou's #9 Kernal.
 
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I like being rooted because you can do things like this
 
Joe Eris said:
I like being rooted because you can do things like this
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Is that your lock-screen? Where is the slider?

You can't do that unrooted?

It's just a fancy wallpaper, an HTC weather/clock widget, and a battery widget, right? Why do you need root for that?


Well, I appreciate all the help, but I decided to skip a generation and get the Thunderbolt instead.

I bought one Sunday, it will be delivered tuesday.

Thanks again for answering my questions.
 
You will get plenty of performance without being rooted on the inc/thunderbolt. But putting a custom rom/kernel can dramatically increase battery performance if needed. Overclocking did increase performance a little bit but hardly noticeable (only really seen in benchmark tests).
I personally just like the ability to easily theme and customize every aspect of the phone.
 
Going from stock Sense UI to CM7, I cut down about 12-15 apps running in the background. Dramatically improved performance.
 
I will probably root the TB, but I doubt I will change the stock ROM.
I like sense, as long as the phone has the horsepower to make it run smoothly. And of course my Eris doesn't, but I'm sure the TB does.

But yeah, there are lots of apps that I can't use without root access.
 
offanairplane said:
I will probably root the TB, but I doubt I will change the stock ROM.
I like sense, as long as the phone has the horsepower to make it run smoothly. And of course my Eris doesn't, but I'm sure the TB does.

But yeah, there are lots of apps that I can't use without root access.
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The TB is only an incredible with 256mb of more RAM. Same processor, so you'll actually probably see similar speeds.
 
offanairplane said:
Is that your lock-screen? Where is the slider?

You can't do that unrooted?

It's just a fancy wallpaper, an HTC weather/clock widget, and a battery widget, right? Why do you need root for that?


Well, I appreciate all the help, but I decided to skip a generation and get the Thunderbolt instead.

I bought one Sunday, it will be delivered tuesday.

Thanks again for answering my questions.
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actually I was talking about the font. I changed it. it's is only possible with root. enjoy the TB though. P.S. the weather clock is from "weather and toggle Widget" and that is my home screen
 
mister_tu said:
We obviously know the difference in hardware. I was talking about processing power only. My point is that the Thunderbolt is not that much faster than the Incredible. Not like the Moto Atrix with a dual processor which NEVER overheats and has 1gb of RAM. If you're going to have a flagship phone then it should compete with other flagship phones.

And 4G? Come on now. By the time he buys the incredible, he'd be able to upgrade twice before 4G can even be considered a real selling point.
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sure,theyre going to feel similar when using them. my only point is that id still give it a little more credit than being "only an incredible with 256mb of more RAM".
 
mister_tu said:
If you're going to have a flagship phone then it should compete with other flagship phones.
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A side by side comparison would probably be enlightening. As snappy as the TB is I can't imagine why I would need it to be any faster. And I remember when PC's went to dual core, and I don't remember it making a huge difference.

Saying the Thunderbolt isn't quite as fast as an Atrix is a fair statement. Saying that it "can't compete" is a little out there.

Plus battery life is a consideration also. Dual core processors use more power than single-core.
Speed is not the only thing that matters. I'm sure that if you didn't mind having to be plugged in all the time, they could make you a phone with blazing speeds. But battery-life is a real issue for smartphones.
 
scotty85 said:
sure,theyre going to feel similar when using them. my only point is that id still give it a little more credit than being "only an incredible with 256mb of more RAM".
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Plus the whole simultaneous voice and data thing is a nice plus.
As well as free unlimited mobile hotspot, even if it is temporary.


If simultaneous voice and data was a phone issue, not a network issue, then why aren't all new phones on Verizon capable of this? I mean if they can fix this in the TB why don't they fix it in all new phones?
 
mister_tu said:
And 4G? Come on now. By the time he buys the incredible, he'd be able to upgrade twice before 4G can even be considered a real selling point.
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We will have to see about that one when I get my phone. Which I just checked and it will be delivered tomorrow, not today as they originally said. Arggghhh!!!!

But at the Verizon store the demo TB's had a solid 4G signal. And the Verizon store is not very far from my house.
 
as for the voice/data im sure you will start to see this as new phones come out. i thot it was a network issue,but the TB is capable of it even on 3G i believe,so it possibly is more of a phone issue.

4g just depends on your area. if they had a signal at the store,you should be able to enjoy it. ive got it at the 3 major cities near me(cincinati and colombus,oh) and am told it will be here in dayton this summer. woo hoo!

at the CES the TB demonstrated amazing upload and dowload speeds on 4g,even tho its "only" a single core. being limited to verizons network,its kind of a moot point to me how good the atrix,the pyramid,or any of the other new phones are on other networks. i believe the TB will be one of the best verizon phones this year for MY needs :)

well said in post #22 :cool:
 
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