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Help JB Update Makes GTN7000 very slow

I downloaded the Wakelock app yesterday after seeing it mentioned on here. Interesting app! Looking at the same screen as tdodd's above this morning , in the 5 hours since I unplugged from charging overnight, the Maps app showed 27m 9s when I hadn't knowingly used any app which needs Maps running. Something was obviously kicking it off though as the Wakeup Triggers screen showed it had been triggered 469 times. I don't use Google Now and have it switched off. I Googled wakelock problems with Maps and did as suggested, turning off location reporting in Maps. I rebooted the Note and 27 minutes later there have been 30 wakeup triggers and 1 min 22s usage. Does anyone have any thoughts on what could be responsible for this please?
 
tdodd said:
...It can be a pain, of course, to do that, but if it means a properly functioning device then perhaps it is worth it. It was for me...
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I did this, I perform a factory reset after the OS update, and that's when the lag became noticeable.

I appreciate that I could start messing with rooting and hacking the software to optimize, but is this what Samsung/Google expect the average user to have to do?

The other options seem to be revert to ICS (I can't see an option on the handset to do this) or send the handset off to Samsung to be checked under warranty... during which time what phone do I use? and I wouldn't keep the handset once returned anyway, as lag wasn't the only issue for me.

I still think the questioning of people's psychology, and attacking them for 'lambasting' Samsung/the Note/Google, like some users here do is decidedly purile.
 
@Pinmac1 : I'm far from expert on most of this, but any app which is location aware could be making use of "Google Maps" (which is really a catch all for all location related activity). Things like the Browser, G+, G Now, Facebook - any social networking type app, Twitter apps, weather apps, maybe news apps, perhaps IP telephony apps like Skype, anything at all to do with GPS, including sat nav and who knows what else. I'm afraid I don't know how you narrow it down though. Do you have location aware widgets running, perhaps, which keep auto updating in the background and checking their location? Do you leave GPS enabled all the time or only enable it when required? I don't know whether the answer makes a scrap of difference to anything, but it's something to consider.

It's things like this which make remote diagnosis really hard. This is why it can be helpful to start afresh with a bare system. Then you know what problems, if any, are the fault of the ROM and which have been introduced as a result of any additional app/apps.

EDIT : And another one - even the camera can fire up GPS is so specified. It seems there isn't much which doesn't want to pry on your whereabouts, if you let it.
 
OK, try to forget my earlier comments - I really only want to help. Of course I can't if you won't let me.

There is no need to resort to rooting - I have never done that and I really don't want to. The JB system that Samsung delivered can work normally and I would like to help you to see that it can on your device.

If there is lag it indicates that another app or system processing is hogging the CPU. This will also result in less than ideal battery performance as well.

I would suggest the first thing to do is to look at the battery usage log. Is there anything unusual there? I noticed that a couple of apps I don't normally use were active so I have disabled them - including Google Goggles and Google Search, for example. There may be others.

After that you can install a CPU monitoring app to see in real time if any apps or processes are using excessive CPU time. But for now can you share with us what you see in the battery usage log? (Settings > Battery)

mpw said:
I did this, I perform a factory reset after the OS update, and that's when the lag became noticeable.

I appreciate that I could start messing with rooting and hacking the software to optimize, but is this what Samsung/Google expect the average user to have to do?

The other options seem to be revert to ICS (I can't see an option on the handset to do this) or send the handset off to Samsung to be checked under warranty... during which time what phone do I use? and I wouldn't keep the handset once returned anyway, as lag wasn't the only issue for me.

I still think the questioning of people's psychology, and attacking them for 'lambasting' Samsung/the Note/Google, like some users here do is decidedly purile.
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This thread is very illuminating thanks to tdodd :)

I have found that Google Maps is very busy even though I am not using it. I do use Google Maps from time to time but not today (I often use it for walking or public transport directions and occasionally for driving, but I have Tom Tom for Android installed and use that mainly for driving. So I guess Google Maps is doing things all by itself. I've now stopped Google Maps, plus Google Search, Voice Talk, Google Goggles and a couple of other things. I'll let you know if this makes any difference.
 
I had just written a long spiel about all the things I don't have running like Facebook, Twitter etc but in the meantime had turned off GPS which I have always kept running as I thought it wasn't doing anything if the GPS symbol wasn't showing and it was convenient to have it kick in when it really was needed. Bingo! No further wakeup triggers and no additional minutes and seconds. It seems so obvious now! Thank for the suggestions. It probably won't make a big difference to battery life but I have turned off a few updates while looking for the cause and every little helps. In any case it's the satisfaction of tracking down the cause that counts.......

When I have enough clear time I do intend to install from scratch. I find the idea of wiping the storage as well as clean installing all the apps quite scary although it makes sense and I like the idea of a completely fresh install. I assume that a lot of apps will be setup by syncing e.g. those relying on Google calendar, Kindle, Dropbox etc. What about all the data in the various apps like Tasker, SMS Backup+ and anything that doesn't backup online?
 
I've been typing this post for a while so didn't see your post, Ian. Don't know if the fix for mine will help you?
 
weebel said:
Hi my note is also extremely slow after installing JB for example:
when doing a google search the keyboard used to pop up instantly and all keys would appear as typed, now tthe keyboard takes 90secs to appear and there is a 5-10sec delay on each character appearing after its typed.
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I see similar - if not so severe - symptoms. With me, the keyboard delays only happen sometimes - maybe one in 3 - and the keyboard comes up in less than 90 seconds, albeit far from instantly and definately slower than before the update.
 
Pinmac1 said:
I've been typing this post for a while so didn't see your post, Ian. Don't know if the fix for mine will help you?
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Thanks. In my case it's more a case of fine-tuning things as I am not that unhappy with the way things are. I can get a full day's usage just using my Note in the way I used to with ICS, but if I can improve things - all for the better!
 
Thanks for the help and advice guys. I notice from wakelock that my 'gallery' is eating the battery. Strange that one. I've stopped the 'bloatware' from the app manager and stopped apps I don't really use. My bluetooth will be switched off when I don't use it in conjunction with my car system. I will give it a chance and report back tomorrow morning.
 
If you have a lot of image files on the phone and/or loads of photos on Picasaweb then Gallery can take a while to chomp through it all either syncing stuff or scanning through everything to look for new material and then preparing thumbnails and the like. I always used to hate Gallery, especially when I had 5GB (11,000) photos on the phone and I replaced it with Quickpic instead. But that was my past solution. Read on.

In addition to Gallery there is now G+, which seems to duplicate half of what Gallery does, with a lot of overlap on picture handling. It's all a bit of a mess and that's down to Google and Android, not Samsung.

However, if you sign up for Jelly Bean's (Samsung's?) new Dropbox sync feature then that will also churn through your Dropbox files looking for media and it will sync those down to your phone too, no doubt throwing an additional curved ball at Gallery, which is now designed to absorb those files too. This could all lead to huge amounts of network traffic and storage I/O, as well as lots of CPU to sort it all out once it's on the phone. My 5GB of photos are held permanently in Dropbox and once I enabled this new feature the first time all hell broke loose. I've since canned the entire thing and dumped all the photos from the phone. I've also disabled Picasa sync and I only have a few photos on the phone which were taken by the phone since the upgrade.

Alternatively, just let Gallery finish doing its thing, which it should eventually, unless maybe you have corrupted files somewhere which could throw it into a hissy fit. Of course, if you have very few image files then Gallery ought not to be hogging CPU. If it is then that suggests to me some sort of file corruption, which could be holding you back forever until you remove the offending file(s).

As often, there are all sorts of ways to skin this cat, but choosing the right method depends on your own wants and needs and what exactly the problem, if there actually is one, turns out to be.

At the end of all that, if you do have a lot of photo (and video) media stored on your device then Gallery is going to sift through it every time you reboot, slowing performance and draining battery while it does all that.
 
Wow! I just reviewed my Google account settings on my phone and it looks like Google has been busy adding all sorts of new sync services, including location tracking, without so much as a by your leave. Fine if that's what you want, but a bit of a shock to discover it out of the blue.....

[APK Teardown] Google Play Services 3.1, Part 2 - All Your App Data In The Cloud, A New Cloud-Based Location Service, And More

No idea what effect all this will have on battery life, wakelocks, data consumption and so on, but I doubt it's going to be helping. This seems to be out of Samsung's control and entirely with Google.
 
same here tdodd,
i thought I had turned all the auto syncs off, but I didn't realise how many things were syncing, like you when I opened my google account, i couldn't believe my eyes, so i unticked everything and double checked the samsung and dropbox accounts and did the same.
so far so good, when i check the battery, there are many fewer awake marks,
so i will keep going through it till its right.
when I upgraded to ICS I had to do the same, but it was much easier then,

Still loving JB though, played with google now at the weekend and see massive possibilities, now "that" might eat up some battery,
but who cares, are we becoming to obsessed with battery usage.
 
tdodd said:
Wow! I just reviewed my Google account settings on my phone and it looks like Google has been busy adding all sorts of new sync services, including location tracking, without so much as a by your leave. Fine if that's what you want, but a bit of a shock to discover it out of the blue.....

[APK Teardown] Google Play Services 3.1, Part 2 - All Your App Data In The Cloud, A New Cloud-Based Location Service, And More

No idea what effect all this will have on battery life, wakelocks, data consumption and so on, but I doubt it's going to be helping. This seems to be out of Samsung's control and entirely with Google.
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Thank you for pointing this out. With the exception of 'Sync App Data' and 'Sync People details', all of these syncs are shown as disabled though I can not recall where or how, I actually did so. I happy with what I have already disabled but since I don't know what exactly it does, I would now like to disable 'Sync Peoples details' as well. Any help you can on give how to do so would appreciated.

I have checked out my Google Dashboard settings at

https://accounts.google.com/Service...lowup=https://www.google.com/dashboard/?pli=1

However, there was no clue there even though the login screen claims 'Google Dashboard offers a simple view into the data associated with your Google Account."
 
Sync People is about Google+. You have contacts in your normal phone contacts, which sync with your Gmail account, and potentially separate contacts in circles within G+. This is a way of merging/syncing them together, I think.

Quite frankly I think Google has a shambolic data/apps infrastructure with all these disparate apps not being fully integrated. There is much too much overlap and duplication, and at the same time too much separation. The handling of photos is a good example. It's a mess. I used to find Picasaweb simple and effective, albeit with room to improve. Now G+ has made a right mess of all that as it tries to take over responsibility for photos and just gets in the way half the time. I see no point in having two independent systems to tread on each other's toes. I think contacts/people might now be much the same.
 
tdodd said:
Sync People is about Google+. You have contacts in your normal phone contacts, which sync with your Gmail account, and potentially separate contacts in circles within G+. This is a way of merging/syncing them together, I think.

Quite frankly I think Google has a shambolic data/apps infrastructure with all these disparate apps not being fully integrated. There is much too much overlap and duplication, and at the same time too much separation. The handling of photos is a good example. It's a mess. I used to find Picasaweb simple and effective, albeit with room to improve. Now G+ has made a right mess of all that as it tries to take over responsibility for photos and just gets in the way half the time. I see no point in having two independent systems to tread on each other's toes. I think contacts/people might now be much the same.
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Thank you for that. I have already disabled Google+ on the phone so hopefully the 'Sync People details', which is shown as 'not being disabled' in 'Settings / Google / myemail@gmail.com', is erroneous. This is, in part, confirmed by there being no people shown in the the Google+ section of my Google Dashboard.

Thanks again.
 
tdodd said:
If you have a lot of image files on the phone and/or loads of photos on Picasaweb then Gallery can take a while to chomp through it all either syncing stuff or scanning through everything to look for new material and then preparing thumbnails and the like.
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I created a similar situation on my N7000 when I installed a mapping application that downloaded maps in a format where each tile was a separate file. After downloading much of the Eastern seaboard, my device was on it's knees as something-or-other had to parse it's way through all those bazillions of files.

In that case, I just took the easy way out and uninstalled the app.
 
Battery consumption greatly reduced - 100% - 51% yesterday, now 94%. Stopping the bloatware has worked for me along with wakelock. As for dropbox I don't use it as I have icloud.
 
A very interesting thread covering things I'd not considered i.e the amount of times the phone is syncing photos with G+, Gallery and Picasa web and also potentially dropbox and I've just added Flickr to my phone too to decide if I needed the free 1TB of storage and if I could intergrate the service with what I do.
I'm a fan of Google and it's services. I'm not a terrorist, International criminal mind nor drug dealer. I lead a normal life and I embrace the whole concept of tech getting involved in my day to day life. I don't mind that Google knows my movements etc.
It does however seem a shame that on my GT-N7000 it appears that I have to disable everything and uninstall useful apps and turn everything either off or right down to make the device smooth.
I overcame the battery life issue by buying a larger capacity item and it works just fine, I have spent 2 weeks farting about settings, uninstalls and disabling apps to try and get the phone to run smooth again to no avail.
All I have left to do is a hard reset and re install from scratch (Not from a back up otherwise I may simply reload the problem)
If that doesn't work, then I have no choice but to conclude that the JB version of Android is too complex for the Note Mk1 to handle and it's CPU just isn't upto the job :(
 
tdodd said:
If a picture paints a thousand words I guess a video paints a million. :D

Unfortunately, while I don't doubt that there are people facing problems, they provide so little diagnostic data that it is hard to help them. There are so many ways in which the phone's performance could be compromised, and so many individual ways to tweak and tailor the phone to improve things, but a brief few words to say "It's laggy after the upgrade." are hardly the basis for understanding what is wrong and what can be done to improve matters.

I wouldn't say that my own experience was without problems, but my grumbles were down to battery life rather than operational speed. Now I seem to have overcome that hurdle, but my approach was to go back to absolute basics - full factory reset and install no further apps apart from stock. I also disabled the bloatware I have no interest in and will never use - stuff that is well known to waste data and suck power such as Flipboard, Google+ and a myriad other bloaty apps. I also binned all the stock home screens and set a single, widget free home screen with black, static wallpaper. I've tried Google Now, but I'm unimpressed so far and have disabled that. Basically the phone is only running what I want it to and not the things Samsung (or Google) thinks I might like.

After a couple of days without drama I started adding back a few of my own apps, like CoPilot, but really cutting back on the apps I seldom/never use. So far so good.

It's anybody's guess what might be wrong with the more troublesome machines out there, because none of us but the owner has a clue what they've actually done with the phone. And let's face it, some of these devices could be well and truly clogged up with a mire of dreadful apps which hog resources and cause problems which have nothing to do with Samsung or the JB upgrade. Conceivably the JB upgrade may have made things worse, or perhaps it simply did not turn out to be the silver bullet that people were expecting. As upgrades go there doesn't seem to be a lot to tempt me. The most interesting thing for me is the customisable notification bar toggle widget, which I'm sure ICS did not have. Apart from that I am ambivalent about any other "improvements" brought by JB.
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My battery drains rapidly after update, but I have not installed any new apps, just the update. They've ruined my phone with this. Hope you do better than me with it.
 
Well I've done a Hard reset, took the opportunity to clear out my un used apps, Changed my security from Trust Go to Avast, and disabled the following:
Allshare Play (I don't have a Samsung TV)
ChatON
Crayon Physics
Dropbox
Face Unlock
Favourite Apps
Favourite Contacts
Flipboard
Google Play Books
Google PLay Magazines
Google Play Movies
Group Play (Is that where you can play one song through multiple Samsung devices? )
Help
Kobo
Learning Hub
Music Hub
PageBuddyNotiSvc
Picasa Uploader
Popup Browser
Press Reader
Readers Hub
Samsung Account
Samsung Apps
Samsung Back up
Samsung Push Service
TalkBack
Video Hub
Yahoo Finance
Yahoo News
Zinio

I have no idea if this will impact on any of my day to day instructions, I don't think so. Obviously, everyone uses their phones in different ways and I dare say, there are a few apps that I have disabled that would cause issues for some of you but I just went through the whole list, looked at the app, decided if I used it or not, took an educated guess as to whether or not it would affect any of my processes and disabled accordingly.
If issues arise, I'll enable what I think is required and see how I get on.

The phone is now back to normal, as it was pre JB upgrade, that is to say that I can now enjoy the whole project butter thing and the device is once again responsive. I know that it has only been a few hours, but fingers crossed...... it seems ok now :D
 
I've just uploaded a fresh video of my Note with the stock German JB ROM following a complete factory refresh and formatting both internal and external storage earlier this afternoon. I have not restored any settings, apps or data from backups. I have signed in with my Samsung and Google accounts and allowed my contacts, calendar, gmail and photos to sync back to the phone. I have done nothing to disable or remove any of the apps provided or to tweak the phone in any other way. This is as close to the "brand new phone" experience as I think you will get without actually going out and buying a replacement.

Samsung Galaxy Note GT-N7000 running vanilla stock German JB ROM - YouTube

If you're one of the people struggling badly after UPDATING to Jelly Bean from ICS then I would urge you to consider wiping the device completely, including internal and external storage, and starting again. You may wish to backup your data first, but consider that anything you restore might possibly send you back to square one. That's why I wanted to start over with a clean slate. It seems to have paid dividends for me.

EDIT : One thing I've just noticed which is worth adding. Since shooting the video I'm now downloading over 2GB of map data to the phone for my sat nav. Whilst performing this download the phone is very unresponsive to simple things like adding short cuts to the home screen. Once the download has completed I expect that normal service will be resumed. I mention this because if people are performing BIG downloads, like pre-loading YouTube videos or movies to watch later, the phone may well slow down while the download takes place. IMHO these sort of activities are best reserved for when you have charging power available, WiFi and no burning desire to be actively using the phone.
 
Well, looks like I spoke too soon! Having turned off GPS yesterday which instantly stopped the wakelocks on Maps, I was interested to see today whether it would make any difference to the battery life. So I was really disappointed when I looked at Wakelock Detector and found that the wakelocks on Maps were back and in full flow. It's been 15 hours now and there have been 836 wakelocks, not far off 1 per minute.
It's funny how irritated this has made me considering I'd never heard of Wakelock Detector until yesterday!
 
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