Liberals are...smarter!

[WAdude]

Once is enough!

Just for laughs:


Atheist are known to spontaneously combust when in contact with an anti-atheist. This explosion will in turn create an unlimited source of energy. Anti-atheists (known as theists)have offered to sacrifice themselves for finding unlimited energy and benefiting the world. However the search for an atheist whose head is not jammed up his ass and actually believes that there are things in this reality that are more important than their petty, unproductive lives is still on. People have not found such an atheist even until today, they are thought to be nonexistent. But in the end, yes, an atheist created the Universe as we know it.



Thats my theory.

 

[germ.e83]

Atheism is a lack of belief in any gods, deities, or religion, not just the Christian god. There is no doctrine, no rules, they don't really band together on anything, they just live their lives without religion.

I understand completely that, by definition, athiesm is not a religion. I never said it was a religion. I was asking how you would not consider it a belief system? Is it a lack of belief in a God, as you state, or is it a belief that there is no God? Is there a difference? How would you more accurately describe a black cat? Would you say it's a cat with black hair, or would you say it's a cat with a lack of white, red, brown, etc... colored hair?

 

[zep]

These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.

Live by that, and stop being an ass, and the rest doesn't matter.

 

[bbrosen]

It's the fact that the parents are teaching things like that to their children. Like teaching them that the world is less than 6,000 years old.



What's wrong with piercings, tattoos, hair gel, hair dye, nail polish or a genre of music?

nothing in and of itself, it's the culture and attitude that goes along with it. free expression is wonderful, but kids must be taught that it comes with a price, very few punk kids, or these emo kids or goth or tattoo pierced kids will be independently able to support themselves and will need a job in the real grownup world, and will be judged. right or wrong people do judge. so yea tattoo your face, but be prepared to accept the consequences, judgements and prejudices and not whine about it or be able to support oneself...

my point is they are a normal well adjusted family, polite and well mannered, productive members of society. They give back too, even the kids, to others...the kids are not full of hate and anger, they do not use foul language, abuse drugs or get in trouble with the law.

I learned a long time ago, you get out what you put in, listen to death metal, or rap or other crap, or anything negative for awhile you absorb it. You become hateful, depressed, angry and negative. Look at abused kids, thats how they become bad for society, bad input. put in the positive everyday and you get it back as well. successful people in life work hard and more often than not surround themselves with positive inputs, Church, family, friends, as well as motivational inspirations. You may not believe in everything religions teach, fine, but how can anyone argue the core values? Love, forgiveness, faithfulness, humbleness, charity....

 

[RAND0M1ZER]

And why is it that atheists tend to like to attack the Christian faith, why dont you go to Afghanistan and tell them there is no Allah?

Because I don't want to die...

Besides this is a public forum anyone is welcome to join in. Most of the arguments I have made are universal to all religions.

 

[WAdude]

Because I don't want to die...

Besides this is a public forum anyone is welcome to join in. Most of the arguments I have made are universal to all religions.

Hahaha, that was kind of a stupid question coming from me, pretty obvious you would die. But, if you die, and you meet a god, (different one, as in not the Christian one) why is it that atheists insist on arguing the whole, "There are so many religions to choose from, the chances would be so slim of me choosing the right one" argument. I mean, really, is it neccesary, you were still wrong all along? (as in If God came to you, would you question him?)


(You dont have to answer it BTW, I ask a lot of questions)

 

[RAND0M1ZER]

...why is it that atheists insist on arguing the whole, "There are so many religions to choose from, the chances would be so slim of me choosing the right one" argument. I mean, really, is it neccesary, you were still wrong all along? (as in If God came to you, would you question him?)


(You dont have to answer it BTW, I ask a lot of questions)

It has already been pointed out many times in this thread that proving a negative such as "there is no god" is impossible. However, proving that the Christian (or any religion) god doesn't exist is easy because it would have to follow the characteristics displayed in the Bible.

This leads us to the possibility that although there could be a god, just picking a religion to follow does not make any sense.

 

[Rota]

Because I was born a Christian, and always will be. Honestly, why are you an atheist, because you decided to be a little rebel, you thought it was cool, wanted to be diffrent, smartass, you became one of those people who only accept science as the only answer, and your god is your ego? Really, do you have a point in life, tell me, whats the point of life after you die?

And why is it that atheists tend to like to attack the Christian faith, why dont you go to Afghanistan and tell them there is no Allah?

No one is born a Christian, or a Muslim, or a Pastafarian. Children can only be associated with a religion after their parents/priest/family/friends begin to teach them about it. I would consider myself an agnostic atheist, because if a god or deity could be proven, I would believe in it at that point, although I don't believe that will ever happen. I was raised Catholic and at around 10 years old or so, when we started learning mythology in school, I began to question why we could say without a doubt that Greek and Roman religions were absurd and laughable, but somehow our god was supreme and real. I found it hypocritical and started to raise more and more questions until I realized that the Christian faith is just as absurd as the polytheistic religions of the ancient Greeks and Romans, the Native Americans, and so on. When I finally was able to come out and talk about my beliefs without getting ridiculed by the elitist holier-than-though Christians I grew up around, I felt like a burden was lifted off my shoulders and I could look at the world a whole new way.

While my parents were not happy with my decision (my grandma was a nun for most of her life), I feel that I can live my life for myself now, not some god or a two thousand year old book written by men.

I'm sorry you feel that atheists are simply atheists because they want to "stick it to the man". This is a completely immature and uneducated assessment of who atheists tend to usually be. It's clear that the one here with the inflated ego is you, and that you feel that you are superior to me because of your faith. That's your prerogative, and I'm not going to change your beliefs, but to claim to be a Christian, yet acting so negatively and lashing out at someone who theoretically you could "save" seems to be a bit counter intuitive to your faith.

The reason you may see atheists "attacking" the Christian faith here in America is because it's the most widely practiced religion in the country. Most don't prefer to "attack" any one religion over the other but simple statistics will show that since Christianity is the majority, it will be "attacked" the most often. Furthermore there's the fact that it's usually Christians that want the woman's choice to have an abortion to be illegal, and block funding for stem cell research that can IMMENSELY help people like my uncle, who has Muscular Dystrophy, be able to walk and have a normal life again, that causes people to dislike them as a whole.

 

[Jammy]

Hahaha, that was kind of a stupid question coming from me, pretty obvious you would die. But, if you die, and you meet a god, (different one, as in not the Christian one) why is it that atheists insist on arguing the whole, "There are so many religions to choose from, the chances would be so slim of me choosing the right one" argument. I mean, really, is it neccesary, you were still wrong all along? (as in If God came to you, would you question him?)

I'd spend days questioning the god/s if they existed ^_^

 

[WAdude]

No one is born a Christian, or a Muslim, or a Pastafarian. Children can only be associated with a religion after their parents/priest/family/friends begin to teach them about it. I would consider myself an agnostic atheist, because if a god or deity could be proven, I would believe in it at that point, although I don't believe that will ever happen. I was raised Catholic and at around 10 years old or so, when we started learning mythology in school, I began to question why we could say without a doubt that Greek and Roman religions were absurd and laughable, but somehow our god was supreme and real. I found it hypocritical and started to raise more and more questions until I realized that the Christian faith is just as absurd as the polytheistic religions of the ancient Greeks and Romans, the Native Americans, and so on. When I finally was able to come out and talk about my beliefs without getting ridiculed by the elitist holier-than-though Christians I grew up around, I felt like a burden was lifted off my shoulders and I could look at the world a whole new way.

While my parents were not happy with my decision (my grandma was a nun for most of her life), I feel that I can live my life for myself now, not some god or a two thousand year old book written by men.

I'm sorry you feel that atheists are simply atheists because they want to "stick it to the man". This is a completely immature and uneducated assessment of who atheists tend to usually be. It's clear that the one here with the inflated ego is you, and that you feel that you are superior to me because of your faith. That's your prerogative, and I'm not going to change your beliefs, but to claim to be a Christian, yet acting so negatively and lashing out at someone who theoretically you could "save" seems to be a bit counter intuitive to your faith.

The reason you may see atheists "attacking" the Christian faith here in America is because it's the most widely practiced religion in the country. Most don't prefer to "attack" any one religion over the other but simple statistics will show that since Christianity is the majority, it will be "attacked" the most often. Furthermore there's the fact that it's usually Christians that want the woman's choice to have an abortion to be illegal, and block funding for stem cell research that can IMMENSELY help people like my uncle, who has Muscular Dystrophy, be able to walk and have a normal life again, that causes people to dislike them as a whole.

Ok. But lets say you were to die. And the Spaghetti Monster God was real. It was you and a Christian/believer being judged, you were wrong and the Christian/believer was too (about their god, or not god). Dont you think that the all-knowing Spaghetti Monster God would put into mind the fact that even if the Christian/believer was wrong about his religion, atleast he put a god before him, that he believed in something greater than him, he worshipped and served a god, and even though there was no proof of it, he still kept his faith to be real. Whereas you, never believed there was a god, put science and logic before the idea of a god, never worshipped a god simply because there was no evidence of him, would only belive in one if evidence was to be found (which is not faith), argued the idea of a god, and put yourself before the idea of a god just as well. But both of you lived the same good life, never killed, or any of that bad stuff. Who would you think hed choose? Im not sure but Id have to say the one that put a god before him. (again, Im not the Spaghettti Monster God or any god, but If it was my say, Id say the beliver)


BTW, the only reason I am pro-life is because if you make the choice to have sex, then you should know that you might just have a baby, if you cant handle a baby, you cant handle sex. Thats for when your ready, and dont use the "but I love my b/f" excuse, what you felt was lust, love isnt necceseraly sex, I have no problem with stem cell research, as long as it helps people):not to get out of topic.



PS: Im not better than you, i dont think I am, as a matter of fact, you are better than me. Oh, Im not trying to save you.

 

[RAND0M1ZER]

BTW, the only reason I am pro-life is because if you make the choice to have sex, then you should know that you might just have a baby, if you cant handle a baby, you cant handle sex. Thats for when your ready, and dont use the "but I love my b/f" excuse, what you felt was lust, love isnt necceseraly sex, I have no problem with stem cell research, as long as it helps people):not to get out of topic.

One word. Rape.

 

[WAdude]

One word. Rape.

Did I not say the word choice? Rape Is not a choice, so obviously It is an exception.

 

[WAdude]

And if every abortion was because of rape, then wed have a fuked up country.

 

[hakr100]

Ok.
BTW, the only reason I am pro-life is because if you make the choice to have sex, then you should know that you might just have a baby, if you cant handle a baby, you cant handle sex. Thats for when your ready, and dont use the "but I love my b/f" excuse, what you felt was lust, love isnt necceseraly sex...

My suggestion is that you don't get an abortion, but damn you if you try to impose your beliefs on others who feel differently.

 

[RAND0M1ZER]

Did I not say the word choice? Rape Is not a choice, so obviously It is an exception.

No but you implied that you would be in favor of the laws making abortions illegal altogether. Who's decision would it be since you think it should be judged on a case by case basis?

Also the reason most 'pro-life' people feel the way they do is because they think you are killing a human being, not because they think people are having irresponsible sex. If that were the reason then they really have no ground to stand on.

 

[hakr100]

No but you implied that you would be in favor of the laws making abortions illegal altogether. Who's decision would it be since you think it should be judged on a case by case basis?

Also the reason most 'pro-life' people feel the way they do is because they think you are killing a human being, not because they think people are having irresponsible sex. If that were the reason then they really have no ground to stand on.

Lots of so-called "pro-life" people are the worst of hypocrites, in that they favor the death penalty and/or don't favor properly supporting the children of mothers who cannot obtain abortions.

"We're pro-life until you are born...then...don't bother us."

I won't vote for any candidates who work to limit womens' access to safe abortions.

 

[WAdude]

My suggestion is that you don't get an abortion, but damn you if you try to impose your beliefs on others who feel differently.

Why would I want government controlling our decisions? That'd be contradicting my conservative beliefs. I believe there should be no laws having to do with personal decisions, I just think its stupid to have sex, then have an abortion. It's like aiming a loaded gun to your head with the safety on, if the pin drops by accident and I kill you is it my fault? Yes. Should the government prohibit me from having a gun? No.

 

[WAdude]

Lots of so-called "pro-life" people are the worst of hypocrites, in that they favor the death penalty and/or don't favor properly supporting the children of mothers who cannot obtain abortions.

"We're pro-life until you are born...then...don't bother us."

I won't vote for any candidates who work to limit womens' access to safe abortions.

I'm not prolife about someones life if they kill somebody. Although putting some thought to it, leaving them to rot In jail isn't too bad either.

 

[Rota]

Ok. But lets say you were to die. And the Spaghetti Monster God was real. It was you and a Christian/believer being judged, you were wrong and the Christian/believer was too (about their god, or not god). Dont you think that the all-knowing Spaghetti Monster God would put into mind the fact that even if the Christian/believer was wrong about his religion, atleast he put a god before him, that he believed in something greater than him, he worshipped and served a god, and even though there was no proof of it, he still kept his faith to be real. Whereas you, never believed there was a god, put science and logic before the idea of a god, never worshipped a god simply because there was no evidence of him, would only belive in one if evidence was to be found (which is not faith), argued the idea of a god, and put yourself before the idea of a god just as well. But both of you lived the same good life, never killed, or any of that bad stuff. Who would you think hed choose? Im not sure but Id have to say the one that put a god before him. (again, Im not the Spaghettti Monster God or any god, but If it was my say, Id say the beliver)


BTW, the only reason I am pro-life is because if you make the choice to have sex, then you should know that you might just have a baby, if you cant handle a baby, you cant handle sex. Thats for when your ready, and dont use the "but I love my b/f" excuse, what you felt was lust, love isnt necceseraly sex, I have no problem with stem cell research, as long as it helps people):not to get out of topic.



PS: Im not better than you, i dont think I am, as a matter of fact, you are better than me. Oh, Im not trying to save you.

Basically what you're saying is just another take on Pascal's Wager. I would like to thing that the Flying Spaghetti Monster would be forgiving though. He definitely has the best heaven, with a beer volcano and stripper factory. I do appreciate the added maturity in your recent few posts though. I'd rather have this be a debate than an argument.

Also, I don't want you to think that either of us is "better" than the other, and I don't want to come off as seeming like I feel like I'm better than you. One thing I rarely find after talking about religion with my (few) Christian friends is that not many are accepting of me for who I am after I tell them what I believe. The ones that are, they are true friends. We can disagree, but we are both human.

 

[WAdude]

Basically what you're saying is just another take on Pascal's Wager. I would like to thing that the Flying Spaghetti Monster would be forgiving though. He definitely has the best heaven, with a beer volcano and stripper factory. I do appreciate the added maturity in your recent few posts though. I'd rather have this be a debate than an argument.

Also, I don't want you to think that either of us is "better" than the other, and I don't want to come off as seeming like I feel like I'm better than you. One thing I rarely find after talking about religion with my (few) Christian friends is that not many are accepting of me for who I am after I tell them what I believe. The ones that are, they are true friends. We can disagree, but we are both human.

It doesnt seem like a Pascals wager to me, Pascals wager states simply if you believe and there is a god, you go to heaven, with no explanation as to why. I guess I just gave that explanation, or something.

Yeah, I'm chill now. I realized this was a discussion not an argument now.

 

[WAdude]

BTW, studies show that while atheists and liberals are smarter, conservatives and believers tend to be more sexy and active, and conservatives tend to be better at economics....yes, I feel so accomplished!

But I'm sure we can all agree that whoever conducts these studies, whether they be atheist, conservatives, liberals, or believers, only do so to make themselves feel better for their rather small and tic tac size penises, and completely have their heads jammed up their ass.

 

[Rota]

conservatives tend to be better at economics

I would say the last year and a half would prove that right!

 

[WAdude]

I would say the last year and a half would prove that right!

Indeed!

 

[Aiyan]

It's way to easy to use a belief as excuse of doing something harmful. When I say belief, I'm thinking both religous and non-religious. Since either way we all have some sort of belief.

We can say so much about religions and people's belief, but it all ends up every person's perspective and what they consider as right and wrong.

So say in your case WAdude, if you want to talk against something - you need to learn everything there is about, but still then - people is different. We chose to interpret what we want to see and what we think is right, but even then you need to be respective other people.

It's like one of my best mates from Middle east, his lifestyle is completly different then me and same goes for belief, but what connects us is our hobbies and interests. Trying to wrong-do someone beliefs is like tossing a apple at MG-placement. It's better to accept it and move on or do like me, befriend them. They usual don't bite!

 

[mpw]

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