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Malaysia Airlines tragedies

This guy says that a criminal act seems more likely than terrorism.

Organized Terrorism Likely Didn't Cause Malaysia Airlines MH370 Disappearance - Forbes

In a rare case of matching an expert to the field of expertise, that guy actually has specialized in studying and training people for terrorism and hostage negotiations.

Professor Adam Dolnik - School of Humanities and Social Inquiry @ UOW

“That’s logical, but that’s Hollywood,” said Dolnik. “In reality, even with 9/11, the most sophisticated terrorist operation ever organized; there was so much room for error. In that complicated an attack, there are just so many things that can go wrong in such a scenario. I don’t see it.”

Even so, Malaysian authorities now maintain the plane was deliberately diverted. Whether that was done by one or both pilots; one of the passengers or a combination of the two is still not known.

“The Malaysians may [find] information leading them to believe that this is a criminal act,” said Dolnik, “but criminal doesn’t necessarily mean terrorist. It’s more likely you’re dealing with a pilot that has mental health issues.”
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A pilot being unhinged is not really new but it does put forth the idea that for some scenarios the correct word is criminal rather than terrorist.
 
Public Service Announcement - Warning about video links

And in news from days ago that I missed - links are circulating on Twitter, and were on Facebook, that promise dramatic video evidence of the plane being found.

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These will take you straight to scams.

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jefboyardee said:
Just heard a retired brass on Hannity saying probably a lot more than he should, like Boeing and the guvment know exactly where each and every airliner is at any given moment.
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The general is a regular on Fox News - Thomas McInerney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's a link to Fox with the video you mentioned (if I understood correctly - maybe it was a radio show or something else) -

Lt. Gen. McInerney: Flight 370 Could Have Landed in Pakistan | Fox News Insider

Ummm... ok.

McInerney said that according to unverified reports, the plane could have been flying in the shadow of Singapore Airlines Flight 68 over India. He said a LIGNET report says that Boeing sources believe the plane is in Pakistan.

McInerney said that most of the world’s sensors are in that region, and that between Rolls-Royce, Boeing and the U.S. government, officials know a lot more than has come out.

“When the U.S. Navy quits their search, their ship search, they must know something in the Indian Ocean. When the Israeli defense forces, when they increase their defense alert, they must know something,” McInerney said.

If McInerney’s theory is right, the airplane would have landed at 5 a.m. Pakistan time, and it would have still been dark out.
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Last satellite pings set at 8:11 AM Malaysia time, that's 5:11 AM in Pakistan.
 
EarlyMon said:
Public Service Announcement - Warning about video links

And in news from days ago that I missed - links are circulating on Twitter, and were on Facebook, that promise dramatic video evidence of the plane being found.

plane4.jpg

These will take you straight to scams.

:banghead:
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Saw that somewhere else. Had meant to post but apparently didn't





jefboyardee said:
Just heard a retired brass on Hannity saying probably a lot more than he should, like Boeing and the guvment know exactly where each and every airliner is at any given moment.
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Keyword: retired
 
palmtree5 said:
Keyword: retired
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As of 1994, so make that for 20 years now.

No doubt he has friends he's swapping ideas with. That's pretty common but only to a point. I knew a number of serving generals and retired ones. He's politically connected but the further you go out in time, the less active generals tend to share with you. Ask any higher-ranking retired officer.

Anyway, that's the man, let's look at what he had to say -

In the video, he did say that some parts of the theory were not confirmed - especially the part about the plane shadowing another flight.

In any case, the story reduces to - retired general believes plane taken to Pakistan, which is within the northern arc of last transmission identified.

That alone is not out of the question - like so many theories. :(
 
I had to hang a like on that post just for the fact that I think that a lot of "officials" and "experts" and "journalists" are all acting like this is all an episode of Fantasy Island, where their wildest dreams and fantasies really do come true. :(

The thanks is because whatever has gone on, there has been more than meets the eye.

How can you go 12 days without releasing radar data because you didn't know that Malaysia meant THAT plane, or that maybe they didn't ask properly (looking at Thailand)?

At this late date - will the data help any?

I know it might have before time was wasted elsewhere, but now??

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EarlyMon said:
In the video, he did say that some parts of the theory were not confirmed - especially the part about the plane shadowing another flight.

In any case, the story reduces to - retired general believes plane taken to Pakistan, which is within the northern arc of last transmission identified.

That alone is not out of the question - like so many theories. :(
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The plane will still need to find a place to land safely without anyone knowing if it were to be repurposed for a future mission. Other than airports, it would be difficult to find a place to be able to even land a 777. If it did land in an airport, hiding it from the public would be harder.

Smokey Mc Pot said:
;) Is a shame this guy is no longer around to find the plane!
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At least we still have Courtney Love. :)
 
@Stuntman

That all assumes that we know something about the angular granularity of the phased antenna array on the satellite.

I haven't seen those specs published.

If the data had come from a constellation of birds flying below geosynchronous orbit, then two or three pings going to a different bird for each ping at each hour would have yielded a lot more data because then the arcs would have been more likely to overlap. In fact, the orbital mechanics would have made it nearly a certainty.

The data in question is coming from a subsystem never intended to give position information.

Believing those arcs are reasonably true is kind of a good idea.

Thinking that they're gospel truth is not.

PS - depending on the angular granularity I mentioned - the plane could have flown for thousands of miles - in other words for many hours - in a straight line, and have never left the arc.
 
Layman's terms for angular granularity of a phased array antenna -

We've seen pretty PowerPoint pictures with two arcs drawn.

How wide is the line according to the satellite antenna, not PowerPoint?

Is it 10 miles wide and pretty good, like the pictures suggest?

Or is it 2000 miles wide and someone drew the line going down the center?

Or a different amount wide?

Personally, I don't know, we'd need to find the antenna and receiver specs.

We still may not know the truth, the system was not designed to give any position information.
 
Video of the announcement -

http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politic...wreckage-of-crashed-plane-20140320-354ij.html

An Orion should already be in the area if the time given was correct. The announcement said the Orion would be in the area at 2 PM Australia time - it's 3 there now.

A press conference is being held in a half hour, hopefully with an updated report.


Meanwhile, incoherent blithering idiots at CNN are discussing the possibility that a black hole swallowed the plane.

Mary Schiavo, a former Inspector General for the U.S. Department of Transportation, said,
 
It's gotten so frenzied that the anxious world will be relieved to hear that a commercial airliner crashed in the ocean just west of Australia. My TV news was almost giddy about it.
 
EarlyMon said:
Video of the announcement -

Missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370: PM Tony Abbott says satellite images could be wreckage of crashed plane | smh.com.au

An Orion should already be in the area if the time given was correct. The announcement said the Orion would be in the area at 2 PM Australia time - it's 3 there now.

A press conference is being held in a half hour, hopefully with an updated report.


Meanwhile, incoherent blithering idiots at CNN are discussing the possibility that a black hole swallowed the plane.

Mary Schiavo, a former Inspector General for the U.S. Department of Transportation, said,
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jefboyardee said:
It's gotten so frenzied that the anxious world will be relieved to hear that a commercial airliner crashed in the ocean just west of Australia. My TV news was almost giddy about it.
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What a bunch of ghouls. :(

As for the Orion, the press conference statement is it's just getting there. It has its search time limited to 3 hours due to the round trip time to get to the search area, according to one report I've seen.

Reports are lighting up that data refinements by the NTSB for the satellite info and fuel estimates have reduced the search area size.

I don't know if those are credible reports or the press quoting itself.

It's pretty thin - two objects in a satellite photo - we've heard that before.

But it's something.
 
Tweet by ABC foreign editor (whatever that is) -

Crew on @USNavy P-8 spotter tell @WrightUps "significant radar returns" coming from site where possible #MH370 objects spotted.

 
Official statement -

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority is coordinating the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft, with assistance from the Australian Defence Force, the New Zealand Air Force and the United States Navy.

AMSA
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