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Malaysia Airlines tragedies

A recent study of the press by an expert led to a number of conclusions, the most startling of which was his answer when asked if it was really all that important to be well-informed and to use actual facts rather than simple opinions as the basis for making decisions.

"You can't be three feet tall and play in the NBA," he replied.

Not remarkably, a number of people at the conference began to study the history of basketball players' heights and consulted other experts as well as the internet to determine if that really was impossible while a number of others decided to discuss the scores, all having missed the point entirely and ironically proving it at the same time.

Those same people were equally confused when he remarked, "If you've never had water then you don't know how good it tastes."

In other news today -

http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/

And from the time vault - we're nearing the anniversary of Time's story that by 1965, The Huntley-Brinkley Report brought in more advertising revenue than any other on television. Its ratings dropped shortly thereafter when Walter Cronkite provided better coverage of the the space race.

And while lemmings have signed up for a one-way trip to Mars, no agency on the planet today is capable of reaching the moon with manned flight.

Not surprisingly, a number of idiots believe that never happened and the entire chain of events can be explained by ludicrous conspiracy theories.

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Now for the latest MH370 news -

A transcript of the final conversation with the plane has just been released.

Note two things:

1) The exchange makes clear that control was well aware of its flight attitude (as I've insisted a number of times) and that the exchange was a normal operational conversation.

2) There is already speculation in the press as to some of this short conversation and why things were repeated. Image of the transcript attached, pay close attention to the footnote.

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Note also that while the press unravels the mystery they think they've found, all air traffic voice communication is done in English, worldwide, and they're using an English to Chinese to English account as their source, proving once again that you can't be three feet tall and play in the NBA.

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Associated Press reports: Malaysia says Chinese satellite has spotted object in southern corridor; ships to investigate. China will provide more details later.

Yes - again.

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As more ships and planes are committed to the southern search, Australia PM is quoted in the press as saying, "If there is anything down there we will find it."

Bravo Australia, bravo.

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According to Reuters, Malaysian Defence Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said on Friday that, "I am still quite concerned that - it's been two days - and yet the searches have not come out with any debris."

And if that's not unmitigated gall, I don't know what is.
 
EarlyMon said:
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One thing that I haven't seen or heard (sorry if I missed it) is when the Co-Pilot said "All right, good night" Was this his normal way of signing off, or at least how often did he say that? What did he usually say! maybe he had no routine way of signing off so this may mean nothing.
I know it's rather thin and slightly conspiracy theory-esk but I just remember getting the feeling when I heard that playback I thought was he under duress and trying to give a clue to the real direction of the plane or that it might end up taking.
I'm only saying this because I think it's important to leave all scenarios possible until something proves it otherwise.
 
Alien Droid said:
Was just watching the live daily update to the press and they produced a hand written note right at the end saying the Chinese have spotted a 30m by 22m of something by satellite and will give an update on that in 2 hours!
Lets hope that doesn't vanish also.
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Apparently about 120km from the first satellite sighting. Given that that was about 6 days ago, far from impossible that they are related. The image is in this article: BBC News - Malaysia plane search: China checks new 'debris' images

Wait and see, as always.
 
Alien Droid said:
One thing that I haven't seen or heard (sorry if I missed it) is when the Co-Pilot said "All right, good night" Was this his normal way of signing off, or at least how often did he say that? What did he usually say! maybe he had no routine way of signing off so this may mean nothing.
I know it's rather thin and slightly conspiracy theory-esk but I just remember getting the feeling when I heard that playback I thought was he under duress and trying to give a clue to the real direction of the plane or that it might end up taking.
I'm only saying this because I think it's important to leave all scenarios possible until something proves it otherwise.
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Perhaps but there is a big takeaway here anyway.

Air traffic control would not have been giving altitude and hand-off commands if there were any doubt of their position or transponder status.

The transcript proves that at that point, the transponder was still working.
 
Editorial statement -

It occurs to me that it's not a bad idea to review the information chain.

Technical services and agencies have or have had data.

That's turned over to investigators whose job it is to formulate information from that data and to pass it up to civilian authorities.

Civilian authorities - politicians - work in concert with investigators and SAR to determine action and brief the public on what they think they know.

The press reports it.

Malaysia began by either not managing, or poorly managing, what they thought they knew.

Rather than catching discrepancies, the press has contributed by reprinting and rebroadcasting statements proven false (even in their own reports from a previous day) and then adding shady stories from either unnamed "experts" or play to the narcissism of anyone with an idea (see: hospital administrator quoted as air hostage expert). And then flooding it to us, running quotes of each other as "news."

Then comes us, and we've been led to believe that the internet has information and when it doesn't, it has data.

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I won't apologize for saying this, even if it's painfully obvious. I'm saying it precisely because it's too obvious:

We as individuals are far from having data. (Unless you've participated in the TOMNOD search. The actual name for that type of activity is data reduction.)

Some of our information seems ok.
 
Hadron said:
Apparently about 120km from the first satellite sighting. Given that that was about 6 days ago, far from impossible that they are related. The image is in this article: BBC News - Malaysia plane search: China checks new 'debris' images

Wait and see, as always.
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When I wrote that I switched the way they gave out the length and width as I assumed they just mixed them up like some people do, but sadly they did make a mistake on the size and that 30m became 13m.
Good example how my innocent edit made that info look more correct... ooops!
 
Is the transcript, the plane answers air traffic control within a few seconds at first. In the later interactions it takes a few minutes to respond. Anything unusual about that?
 
Gmash said:
Is the transcript, the plane answers air traffic control within a few seconds at first. In the later interactions it takes a few minutes to respond. Anything unusual about that?
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I think that the two "MH370" responses from ground are both acknowledgements of the status confirmed by the plane just seconds earlier.

The message at 01:01:14 appears to be the plane repeating the previous information because there was no acknowledgement from ATC.

Anything else would probably best be left until we have the true transcript, not the EngChinglish one that the press has now.

I've been in a major FAA center not more than 10 feet from a bank of active controllers. I observed that a lot of communication was short and abbreviated there and a little bit was longer.
 
EarlyMon said:
I think that the two "MH370" responses from ground are both acknowledgements of the status confirmed by the plane just seconds earlier.
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Exactly that. For reasons of brevity and clarity, the receiving station's callsign is used on its own to indicate receipt of the info.

The message at 01:01:14 appears to be the plane repeating the previous information because there was no acknowledgement from ATC.
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KL ATC had issued an instruction to climb to FL350 but didn't tell them what to do when they reached it. This looks like a prompt from MH370.
 
Interesting site and interesting story on other fires, excerpt quoted -

http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2014/03/lithium-cargo-clue-to-fate-of-mh370/

The final report of a UPS B747 crash in Dubai in 2010, details how that crew similarly attempted to depressurise the freighter aircraft to slow down the fire 30 seconds after the loss of aircraft systems and flight controls. In that accident in which there were no survivors, the time interval between fire detection and the onset of aircraft system failures was around two and a half minutes.

The aircraft was found to be carrying at least three shipments of lithium batteries which should have been declared as hazardous materials
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EarlyMon said:
Interesting site and interesting story on other fires, excerpt quoted -

Lithium cargo clue to MH370 fate? | Air Traffic Management | Air Traffic Management - ATM and CMS Industry online, the latest air traffic control industry, CAA, ANSP, SESAR and NEXTGEN news, events, supplier directory and magazine
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The part that I find really puzzling is that the airplane remained in the air for so long if there were a fire. There would have to be some very strange circumstances for conditions to incapacitate the crew and yet not cause the plane to crash for 7 hours until the plane ran out of fuel. Swiss Air 111 reported a fire and was able to send out a mayday and attempted to land in Halifax. It ultimately crashed into the ocean before they made it to Halifax.
 
French satellite photos -

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malays...-satellite-images-provide-more-hope-1.2583254

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Images are now said to come from radar -

http://news.asiaone.com/news/malaysia/missing-mh370-france-says-new-satellite-data-are-radar-echoes

If someone has a synthetic aperture radar imaging satellite there, then resolution down to a meter and very low noise in the images would be possible.

^^ Lotta IFs there and I seriously doubt if we'd be given access to the images themselves.

Although - France does possess that capability and has used that type of bird for Earth mapping.
 
Hmmm...

http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing...mpers-raaf-search-efforts-20140324-35c9h.html

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Yet another nameless Malaysian official, who couldn't speak on the record of course, claimed that the French images were fuzzy and located 575 miles from the last images.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...ng-malaysia-airlines-flight-article-1.1731001

And the Washington Post asks - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...alaysia-airlines-plane-have-gone-much-faster/

Unlike the earlier search phase, dozens of ships and dozens of planes aren't involved in the southern search.
 
Hadron said:
Shame the media and politicians don't learn that: they're only too happy to treat science as a matter of opinion when it conflicts with their ideologies, economic theories or their paymasters' interests, or just when they can get some lobbyist or nutter to turn up and argue colourfully.

(Sorry for the rant. Don't want to go PCA, but this is an error that our shallow media and political culture keeps making. It's no wonder the public often have a poor understanding.)

Mind you, the main morning news programme on the radio here just spent 10 minutes talking to Simon Cowell. I think I'd have considered re-hashing what we don't know about MH370, or even discussing the speculations, a better use of time than that.
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Science IS
just a matter of opinion.. ;)

And here is my opinion kn this tragedy...

The plane crashed into the ocean .. There is no conspiracy theory.. There is no evil pilot.. No terrorism... No black hole... No hijacking...


It was a mechanical malfunction .. Unexplained as of yet... That is Leading to unfounded hysteria and speculation...

Carry on
 
I originally thought Boeing and/or some guvment was just sitting on vital knowledge, waiting for the captors to talk first. Now I feel it's more and more likely that the plane is lying at the bottom of the Indian Ocean and that all these bizarre theories are just that.
 
Smokey Mc Pot said:
:rolleyes: thinking about how long it took to find "Steve Fossett".

Is there any news coming from Indonesia in regards this plane?
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Indonesia and Australia are at political odds. The local media there a little over a week ago had the conflict where Indonesia warned Australia to respect their borders, search or no search.

Double-check me if that interests you, I was seeing red out of disgust and may have my facts off, sorry. But that's what I recall.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/23/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/

No programmed flight change.

Military radar now shows rapid descent at the outset of the problem.

Consistent with an accident scenario involving rapid decompression, going to lower altitude.

I'm not saying that happened.

I'm not saying CNN is right. Or trustworthy given the way they wrote the story. Or anything else for that matter.

But I have seen that crop up several times this weekend on various sites.

And I am saying that is exactly what the first military radar said - that was immediately discounted - within hours of the plane being reported missing.

And that's one hell of a coincidence.

Edit - here's the quote.

EarlyMon said:
Well over a day ago, China said that they tracked it changing course from 24
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