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Bnice
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You should be able to get it at mugen power .com
jiltedcitizen
Newbie
Well kinda, look how far tech has advanced and batteries have not.
SamuraiBigEd
Under paid Sasquatch!
You don't consider going from old school batteries all the way to Li-Po & Li-Ion advancement? Even NiCad batteries are a far cry from what we are using now.Took it off its initial 12 hour charge last night at 11pm. Texted a bit and talked on the phone about 10 minutes, went to bed. Been using it to text and 10-15 minutes of talk today and its at 42% at almost 4pm, 17 hours later. Not bad, but I havent been using it a whole lot either. No web, no market, no games etc..Power users will probably get a good day out of it. Having said that, these batteries aremt supposed to hit their maximum performance until after 4-5 charge cycles.
Ordered my Mugen on Feb 3 and received it yesterday, Feb 22 - so about two and a half weeks for delivery. I love how things ordered from Hong Kong have "gift" marked on the customs stickers. I guess it is a gift for myself that I paid for.
Full charge last night and running fine today. Insert included in package discusses 4-5 cycles of full charge and then running it to almost empty. It does say not to run it to zero.
Full charge last night and running fine today. Insert included in package discusses 4-5 cycles of full charge and then running it to almost empty. It does say not to run it to zero.
greatcasa
Newbie
Update: I've been running my Mugen 1800 for 3+ weeks now. I get 22-26 hrs on this battery with little to no talking, which is about what I got on the original battery. Maybe 20-24 on that. So maybe see an extra couple hours of standby time which is essentially nothing. I wouldn't look at this battery as anything but a cheaper (cost wise) 2nd battery.
Still think it's ridiculous that on both the stock battery and the Mugen, that I can unplug my phone when I go to bed around 10:30-12am, and when I get up at 7am the battery is at about 75%. With an Uptime of 70hrs I only have an awake time of 10%. There is no way this phone would ever make it to the factory standby time, even if everything were turned off. My spare parts for "Partial Awake Usage," no matter which area I pick (time since boot, since last umplugged, all time) shows "Android System" far above anything else. Anything else on the phone is just a sliver. The only thing I can conclude is that we get crappy battery life not for the battery, the hardware phone itself, or the apps we download, but because of the Android OS itself. Let's hope 2.1 fixes a lot of this. I don't mind if my phone has to be plugged in after a long phone conversation, but I expect my phone when sitting there do absolutely nothing, to not be draining the battery so quickly. And I think this is the point that is most bothersome people. If we're heavy users and talk on the phone a good bit everyday, 24 hrs on a battery charge would be acceptable, but to have it last 24 hrs when on a Saturday it sat there almost all day doing nothing while it gets forgotten at home and only lasting 24 hrs is BS.
Still think it's ridiculous that on both the stock battery and the Mugen, that I can unplug my phone when I go to bed around 10:30-12am, and when I get up at 7am the battery is at about 75%. With an Uptime of 70hrs I only have an awake time of 10%. There is no way this phone would ever make it to the factory standby time, even if everything were turned off. My spare parts for "Partial Awake Usage," no matter which area I pick (time since boot, since last umplugged, all time) shows "Android System" far above anything else. Anything else on the phone is just a sliver. The only thing I can conclude is that we get crappy battery life not for the battery, the hardware phone itself, or the apps we download, but because of the Android OS itself. Let's hope 2.1 fixes a lot of this. I don't mind if my phone has to be plugged in after a long phone conversation, but I expect my phone when sitting there do absolutely nothing, to not be draining the battery so quickly. And I think this is the point that is most bothersome people. If we're heavy users and talk on the phone a good bit everyday, 24 hrs on a battery charge would be acceptable, but to have it last 24 hrs when on a Saturday it sat there almost all day doing nothing while it gets forgotten at home and only lasting 24 hrs is BS.
Why would you even need to look at an oversized battery if you do "little to no talking" on your phone and were already getting 24 hours on a charge? At least now I know how long the battery will last if i don't use the phone. (chuckle)
greatcasa
Newbie
Really? When I say little to no use, I mean I'm not a talking, texting, emailing, facebooking "whore," if you will, on most days during the week, as I'm being productive and busy as an engineer. I have an office with computer and landline that I can do most of those things. Also I looked at an extended battery because I'd still prefer to not have to plug my phone in ever 24 hours, even when I'm barely using it. It should be 2-3 days. This is not my first smartphone, and it's def not normal. Also, on the evenings and weekends when I want to be said "whore" I want my phone to last. Seriously that's like saying "if you barely drive your car why do care about getting good gas mileage?" Well because when I take that long trip, I don't want to have to be stopping for gas every 200 miles.
SamuraiBigEd
Under paid Sasquatch!
Unless you are referring to basic Palm OS or non touchscreen Blackberry smartphones, then the shorter battery life is par for the course. My business partners Pre won't make it till 5 pm before shutting down completely, my Touch Pro might make 6-8 pm on a moderate day before needing to be plugged in, my Mogul was worse than that. Everyone I know with a WinMo or Android phone will tell you the same thing, no matter what brand it is.
greatcasa
Newbie
Yes mine was a non touch screen BB, but I know plenty of people with Storm 2's that are going 2-3 days without charging when there is little to no use. Even still I had everything turned on that BB (GPS, Location, Push for all email accounts, etc) and the only thing I keep on is GPS on this phone. I used to have it off, but through my own testing have noticed no difference in battery life when either on or off. I'm sorry but if HTC says the phone can go 15 days on standby time, 2-3 days without charging and barely using the phone is not a lot to expect. Hell I'd settle for anything above 30 hrs.
My exchange email is set to every half hour, and my facebook account was set to the same. I just moved facebook to "never" refresh as I believe it refreshes every time you open the app, and I always hit refresh anyways. I'm going to see if this makes a difference as Gmail, Exchange, GPS, and Facebook refreshes should be the only things running at night while the phone is sitting there flat with the screen off. I'm unplugging my phone now and we'll see how it goes.
SamuraiBigEd
Under paid Sasquatch!
I have never seen anything that sates 15 days on standby, for any phone! The most I have ever seen was 5-7 for dumb-phones.
As far as GPS, I noticed a couple hour difference keeping it off.
The refreshes could be part of your problem, try changing frequency to a longer cycle or off as you did for Facebook.
I have my pop3 set to 30 minutes, I haven't changed Facebook or Gmail and I am a heavy talker, just got off a 48 minute call, total call time today close to 2 hours, off charger since 9:30 am and I am at 63%. At this rate, if I do not charge it I will have to about 5-6 pm.
Good luck and let us know how it works.
As far as GPS, I noticed a couple hour difference keeping it off.
The refreshes could be part of your problem, try changing frequency to a longer cycle or off as you did for Facebook.
I have my pop3 set to 30 minutes, I haven't changed Facebook or Gmail and I am a heavy talker, just got off a 48 minute call, total call time today close to 2 hours, off charger since 9:30 am and I am at 63%. At this rate, if I do not charge it I will have to about 5-6 pm.
Good luck and let us know how it works.
If you are dropping from a full charge to 75% 7 hours while you are sleeping and not touching the phone, something is wrong. You either have your wireless networks and/or GPS on or your phone is searching for coverage and chewing up battery.
I have noticed this battery goes very quickly from full charge down to around 85-90% just texting a few times and doing basic things for like 10-15 minutes. It seems to keep getting low rather quickly thru the day until about the 45-65% area and it will hover in that range for hours even using it quite a bit. 35-45% takes awhile to go by too and then it goes faster after that.
So moderate users get a full day easily. If you are just texting, light web use and a few calls, you may not even have to charge it at night. Power users should still get a good 10-12 hours. I have a home charger and a car charger so I am not really concerned but its for sure better than the stock battery performance by a bit.
I have noticed this battery goes very quickly from full charge down to around 85-90% just texting a few times and doing basic things for like 10-15 minutes. It seems to keep getting low rather quickly thru the day until about the 45-65% area and it will hover in that range for hours even using it quite a bit. 35-45% takes awhile to go by too and then it goes faster after that.
So moderate users get a full day easily. If you are just texting, light web use and a few calls, you may not even have to charge it at night. Power users should still get a good 10-12 hours. I have a home charger and a car charger so I am not really concerned but its for sure better than the stock battery performance by a bit.
greatcasa
Newbie
Just going off what HTC says at 360 hours standby: HTC Mobile Phones - Hero Sprint - Overview
I guess I'm willing to give up a 2 hrs for now for GPS as so many things use it, and I couldn't in my own daily use notice a difference.
greatcasa
Newbie
I've checked this multiple times and the only thing I have running is exchange at 30 mins, Facebook was at 30 mins (now at never for a test), Gmail, and GPS on. No Wifi or Location settings on. I also have very few apps, and am running the Gumbo Kernel which according to the task killer that I have (but only use to kill the task killer and see what's running), really shuts down everything once it's not being used.
SamuraiBigEd
Under paid Sasquatch!
I see what you are referring to now. Notice the "up to", advertising lingo for "if everything on the phone is deactivated including the radio and you are running in a true standby mode you might possibly see this figure", smoke and mirrors on HTC's part.
Sort of like how they calculate mileage figures for cars, lightest possible driver, stripped down model (quite often with rear seats, etc. removed) running a fuel blend the public can't get no matter how hard they try, it is not even gasoline.
greatcasa
Newbie
Yes smoke and mirrors. But that's why I said 2-3 days with minimal use. This would be like saying my Chevy Malibu is rated at about 25 mpg, so I expect to get at least 5-8 mpg.
You must be referring to American cars. I've never gotten any gas mileage overall trip averages that didn't fall between the City and Highway ratings in my Honda's, Toyota's, and BMW's I've had over the years. Well maybe a little below the city average in my M3 when I'm not driving it normally
cooolone2
Android Enthusiast
First, I think the thread got a bit hijacked...but that's ok. I would like to say that there is NO way to know the performance of this particular (Mugen) battery and it manufacturing process... The fact that it is listed as 1800mAh and yet performs the same as stock will tell you it's not good stuff, might be relabeled, etc.. The fast drop off too will tell you the material it is comprised of is not up to snuff. I wouldn't invest a dime on it, but that is just my opinion.
Secondly, Casa, I don't know of ANY Smartphone that lasts for the time you mention, even the so called industry BEST (yeah ok) iPhone. Every single one (smartphone) that I know of and have read about or talked to others about eat their batteries.
That said, there are things which can be done that can extend the interval between charges and yes, it doesn't require NOT using the phone. Even my old clamshell Samsung wouldn't last 3 days... I do agree with you the HTC lists Standby time incorrectly, but they and every Mobile Handset manufacturer does the same. Anyway, you're on the right track as far as changing e-mail retrieval times and such, the WEATHER setting is huge, saved me 15% battery performance alone, but that info. is on another thread. Personally, I would say I am a Moderate to Heavy Web user, minimal text and listen to music a lot, either Pandora or Mixzing, etc. and I get 14 hours with that use easy... Anyway...
Check the other threads which may give you more information on settings and battery life. What you want from a 1350 - 1800mAh battery though is NOT a phone issue and is more correctly a BATTERY issue. The performance of the stated mAh battery size is consistent across handsets with similar specifications (Screen size, processor, etc.) I do believe the thread OP was about the Battery and NOT the phone, lol... I only say that to try and point out keeping things related to the OP and Topic.
Secondly, Casa, I don't know of ANY Smartphone that lasts for the time you mention, even the so called industry BEST (yeah ok) iPhone. Every single one (smartphone) that I know of and have read about or talked to others about eat their batteries.
That said, there are things which can be done that can extend the interval between charges and yes, it doesn't require NOT using the phone. Even my old clamshell Samsung wouldn't last 3 days... I do agree with you the HTC lists Standby time incorrectly, but they and every Mobile Handset manufacturer does the same. Anyway, you're on the right track as far as changing e-mail retrieval times and such, the WEATHER setting is huge, saved me 15% battery performance alone, but that info. is on another thread. Personally, I would say I am a Moderate to Heavy Web user, minimal text and listen to music a lot, either Pandora or Mixzing, etc. and I get 14 hours with that use easy... Anyway...
Check the other threads which may give you more information on settings and battery life. What you want from a 1350 - 1800mAh battery though is NOT a phone issue and is more correctly a BATTERY issue. The performance of the stated mAh battery size is consistent across handsets with similar specifications (Screen size, processor, etc.) I do believe the thread OP was about the Battery and NOT the phone, lol... I only say that to try and point out keeping things related to the OP and Topic.
Not true. It definitely lasts longer than the stock battery for sure, but its not THAT much longer. Guess that makes sense though, 1800 from 1500 isnt really a huge jump. To get REALLY noticeable difference, I would think you would need to be up at 2000+ on a battery.
dodgerbluehero
Member
ok so any new updates on this battery? im considering getting one but i want to make sure everyone is still having positive results