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N. Korea anyone?

A.Nonymous said:
No offense, but you don't live here. Not sure how you know what the US mood is. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars are very unpopular here at the moment. The idea of a third war isn't going to go over well with Obama's base I don't think.
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Excuse me, but I know more than a few people that do not live here that know, study and understand US foreign policy and the world at large better than many American citizens.

They know our mood because they have family or a vested interest in this country. They know our history better than many and they have a right to comment perhaps more than some that live here that cannot find Korea on a bloody map.

Not so sure living here excludes some people from commenting.
 
I think that the US is exceptional in that, anyone who takes an interest in current affairs anywhere in the world has to take a close interest in what's happening in US politics as it has a disproportional effect on what happens everywhere else. Since the US is a democracy, that involves taking an interest in what the media says is public opinion.

Clearly, if you live in the US, you're going to get an up-close and personal picture of what's happening in your city or state and those cities and states you visit frequently that a non-resident could never hope to achieve. When it comes to what's happening in much of the rest of the country though, you're probably relying on similar sources to us :)

There are signs that the rest of the world is beginning to take a similar interest in what happens in China, though obviously there, information about public opinion is both more difficult to find and less relevant to government actions.
 
Gmash said:
I don't think our military is in quite that dire of straits. After all, we do still spend more on defense than most of the rest of the world combined. I doubt anyone is even remotely considering a full on ground invasion of N. Korea. Our air and Navy power alone could decimate them. Now if China decides to jump in the middle its a whole new ball game. Though we owe them so much money I don't think they would like to see us go broke lol.
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I think we watched a video somewhere on Youtube, said something about us spending the 26th most money on our military, but 25 of them are allies.

I doubt China will jump in, and aren't we allies with China? I certainly would not want a war with them.
Who is allies with N. Korea?
 
I don't think we are necisarrily allies with China, the reason that everyone believes China would not strike against us is because we are in debt to them.. big time. And to start fighting against the US would be saying goodbye to the repayments. China has been noted be a financial ally to North Korea.. And possibly countries that have the common enemy can be considered allies as well and from what I have heard the US is on NKs enemy list
 
Yanks,Japs and S.Koreans are so concerned about N.Korea that it's like no other nations exists in Asia. 2 of biggest nations are actually live right by them and they seem Ok with N.Korea.
 
Well in all fairness, I do believe NK announced that Japan would be their first target. And being Japan is an ally that would concern the US. SK is concerned being so close that they might get in the mix of things being so close to the country thats stirring things up. China has no concern because they are have a closer relationship.. also I do believe China has a bit of concern, if not then China wouldn't be pressuring NK into denuclearizing with the US.


No one wants a nuclear war to break out, but NK says its unavoidable leading many to believe that they will strike first
 
pbf98 said:
Well in all fairness, I do believe NK announced that Japan would be their first target. And being Japan is an ally that would concern the US. SK is concerned being so close that they might get in the mix of things being so close to the country thats stirring things up. China has no concern because they are have a closer relationship.. also I do believe China has a bit of concern, if not then China wouldn't be pressuring NK into denuclearizing with the US.


No one wants a nuclear war to break out, but NK says its unavoidable leading many to believe that they will strike first
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yes the nuclear program that they are doing is off the limit. Russia plays a big role in this mess.. and it's been stated that this issue could be resolved easily if only Yanks and Japs could agree with them. China is also looking forward to resolve it diplomatically. But US seems to like tension i personally see no diplomatic actions from US except building a war mood.
Russian Pacific Fleet is less than 200 miles from N.Korea, I get a feeling that US wants to involve Russia into this conflict.. After all Cold War is still going,, especially with all these American-Russian relationship clog,Magnitskiy crap and Aegis/Patriot Anti so called terror shield which was built and meant for intercepting Soviet Nuclear Missiles and not some i don't know... talibans !
 
ItnStln511 said:
Iran.
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That's a complete nonsense! These countries separated by 4000 miles not to mention that north Korea is completely isolated country. These two countries share no strategic relationships except the idea of what they call anti-imperialism.
 
Famously, the only 'ally' NK has is China and even there the relationship is somewhat fraught - as has been mentioned above, the Chinese have been trying to use what little influence they have to get the NORKS to back down.

I believe that the Russians and Koreans fell out during the Korean war after MacArthur's brilliant attack on Inchon allowed him to retake all the land the NORKS had taken beyond the 38th parallel. The Soviets then failed to provide troops to help the NORKS who's army had been decimated. It was left to the Chinese to step in and kick MacArthur's butt when he foolishly (and I think against Truman's wishes) decided to push past the 38th parallel (the pre-war 'border').

As for Iran, there have been reports that Iran and NK shared nuclear bomb and missile tecnologies / research, though I think this was supposed to have been more of a commercial relationship, i.e. the NORKS are suspected of selling technology to the Iranians.

Not sure how true this is given the fact the Pakistanis jailed one of their leading nuclear scientists for selling nuclear bomb technology to the Iranians years ago - you have to wonder why the Iranians would need to buy same information twice.

I guess NK and Iran may have an element of the enemy of my enemy is my friend going, though.
 
SiempreTuna said:
Famously, the only 'ally' NK has is China and even there the relationship is somewhat fraught - as has been mentioned above, the Chinese have been trying to use what little influence they have to get the NORKS to back down.

I believe that the Russians and Koreans fell out during the Korean war...
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I'm was quoting Wikipedia, and I did notice that they said "Russia" not the Soviet Union. So I presume they're speaking of something more recent. I also realize that Wikipedia often can be wrong. But since there was much written about current relations with Russia with great detail, I presume that Russia's backsliding towards totalitarianism has rekindled relations with North Korea.

Regardless of their foreign relationship with North Korea, one thing that Russia can be counted on doing is their de facto backing of extremist totalitarian regimes in the UN by opposing any/all sanctions, threatening military action etc. As a US citizen, I would certainly see Russia as a major factor going ahead regardless.

I guess NK and Iran may have an element of the enemy of my enemy is my friend going, though.
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And so far that has been very very good to them. So good in fact that the new ruler Un may think it's perfectly safe to test the limits of what both East and West will tolerate...
 
Speed Daemon said:
I'm was quoting Wikipedia, and I did notice that they said "Russia" not the Soviet Union. So I presume they're speaking of something more recent. I also realize that Wikipedia often can be wrong. But since there was much written about current relations with Russia with great detail, I presume that Russia's backsliding towards totalitarianism has rekindled relations with North Korea
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Sorry - didn't mean that as questioning you: it was meant more in the way of 'this is the commonly held view'.

Speed Daemon said:
Regardless of their foreign relationship with North Korea, one thing that Russia can be counted on doing is their de facto backing of extremist totalitarian regimes in the UN by opposing any/all sanctions, threatening military action etc. As a US citizen, I would certainly see Russia as a major factor going ahead regardless.
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The Russians definitely remain a PITA internationally. The cold war may be over but they still seem to automatically take the opposite position to whatever position the US takes.

Of course, Putin has elements of the extremist totalitarian himself so I guess he would have sympathy for that kind of regime.
 
SiempreTuna said:
Sorry - didn't mean that as questioning you: it was meant more in the way of 'this is the commonly held view'.
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No worries my friend. :) I should have made a link in the first place.

I do think it's interesting that North Korea isn't the "sealed" nation that most Americans think it is. In college my best friend was from India. I was amazed to learn that India had regular trade with the Soviet Union. What an eye-opener! In the '80s I learned that so much was not what it seemed to be.

The Russians definitely remain a PITA internationally. The cold war may be over but they still seem to automatically take the opposite position to whatever position the US takes.

Of course, Putin has elements of the extremist totalitarian himself so I guess he would have sympathy for that kind of regime.
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Well, Putin's blood is still KGB red. From day one most pundits warned that he was going to try to take Russia back to the bad old days.

As for the other Russians, I think they're probably undergoing their own case of Failed Empire Syndrome. I'll bet that place is full of political reactionaries who just love it when Putin makes it seem like they're still one of the top 2 superpowers. Just like here in America... ;)
 
Speed Daemon said:
I do think it's interesting that North Korea isn't the "sealed" nation that most Americans think it is. In college my best friend was from India. I was amazed to learn that India had regular trade with the Soviet Union. What an eye-opener! In the '80s I learned that so much was not what it seemed to be.
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India signed a treaty of friendship and cooperation with the Soviets in 1970 (or 71?), and both were centrally planned command economies. They would have been allies more or less, so one can see how trade might have been strong.
 
andruoid said:
...also, China & Russia
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Amongst others, I'm sure.





Skyroket said:
That's a complete nonsense! These countries separated by 4000 miles not to mention that north Korea is completely isolated country. These two countries share no strategic relationships except the idea of what they call anti-imperialism.
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Your statement is complete nonsense! First, Iran said that they would support North Korea. Second, the US and South Korea are separated by more than 4,000 miles, and the last time I checked they're allies. Common enemies make a good friendship...
 
A.Nonymous said:
Apparently N. Korea is at it again. They've done enough posturing this time that the US is moving a missile defense system into place in Guam just in case. Curious what everyone thinks. Just the same old BS from N. Korea or do you think they're serious enough to try something against either S. Korea or the US this time?
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Most people, especially in the West, do not understand North Korea. It is not a nation of people who all want to live the way they do. It is a dictatorship (partial oligarchy). The population is uneducated.
 
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