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Nexus Vs Razr

One thing cementing my decision even more was the confirmation on the Gnex battery. While the Gnex thread folks are celebrating, to me that is ominous news. There have been NO rumors of the Razr having hardware revisions, even though it has been out for 2 weeks. That's a lot of time on tester hands with nary a peep. Since unveiling, the Gnex has been rumored for delays, hardware revisions etc. Turns out the rumors were true, the battery got bumped up.

This is not good. That means in order to meet minimum standards, they had to jack the battery up. The Gnex crowd seems to be under the delusion this means "more" performance. Nope. It means LTE broke the phone, and this is the get well.

Put another way, some folks seem to think they went from 8 hours to 10 hours. Nope, they went from 5 hours to 7 hours.
 
socarwolverine said:
I don't believe the Razr will get faster updates than the GNex. It's not about the manufacturer in this case, its about vanilla android vs. skinned. Like husker said, the fact that moto will have to get the code from google, integrate it with ICS then ship it to the carriers for testing will mean that updates will be slower. The GNex will get its updates straight from google, cutting out the middle man and saving a ton of time.

The benefit I see from this aquisition comes from the fact that many of you believe (whether it's accurate or not is a debate for someone else) that moto has better build quality than sammy. With google now owning moto we might harken back to the days of the OG droid. Google may decided to combine vanilla android and speedy updates with Moto's perceived build quality and make the next round of Nexus phones with Motorola.
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If you had to choose between the two which would you choose and by the way I am currently using a DroidX2?
 
pm1066 said:
One thing cementing my decision even more was the confirmation on the Gnex battery. While the Gnex thread folks are celebrating, to me that is ominous news. There have been NO rumors of the Razr having hardware revisions, even though it has been out for 2 weeks. That's a lot of time on tester hands with nary a peep. Since unveiling, the Gnex has been rumored for delays, hardware revisions etc. Turns out the rumors were true, the battery got bumped up.

This is not good. That means in order to meet minimum standards, they had to jack the battery up. The Gnex crowd seems to be under the delusion this means "more" performance. Nope. It means LTE broke the phone, and this is the get well.

Put another way, some folks seem to think they went from 8 hours to 10 hours. Nope, they went from 5 hours to 7 hours.
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Seems like you're assuming as much about the battery change as the GNexers are. None of us have any idea what it means, good or bad, you're just betting on the negative because you want more support in your decision to go with the Razr. Why don't we all just wait til both phones are out and we can get some hands on instead of needless and negative speculation.
 
Routhless said:
If you had to choose between the two which would you choose and by the way I am currently using a DroidX2?
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Right now I'll prolly lean towards the GNex just because of pure ICS (I've grown tired of Sense but I've never used Blur), but if the Sammy build quality is as crappy as some people fear then I'll have no problem picking up the Razr.

For me it's pretty much a wash, no sd card and no removable battery are miniscule qualms for me.
 
socarwolverine said:
Seems like you're assuming as much about the battery change as the GNexers are. None of us have any idea what it means, good or bad, you're just betting on the negative because you want more support in your decision to go with the Razr. Why don't we all just wait til both phones are out and we can get some hands on instead of needless and negative speculation.
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Actually hes right. Changing up the battery that late in the game is done for a reason. They dont change things before launch willy nilly and swapping out for a bigger battery is very telling.

Question is what kind of battery life were they getting during testing before the decision was made it needed more juice. 4 hours? 5?
 
cereal killer said:
Actually hes right. Changing up the battery that late in the game is done for a reason. They dont change things before launch willy nilly and swapping out for a bigger battery is very telling.

Question is what kind of battery life were they getting during testing before the decision was made it needed more juice. 4 hours? 5?
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I'd be more worried if they were digging into the guts of the phone, not switching out the battery. I did that with my Incredible, wasn't a game changer and didn't speak to the quality of the phone.
 
Even after convinving myself that the Razr was it, i'm still thinking about the Galaxy Nexus. Luckily my birthday is 2 weeks after the Razr comes out and a Week after the Nexus, so i will test them both,

I just want to get a phone that i'll be satisified with, I don't want to get one then another phone comes out 2 months later that is ridiculously better than what i have, I'll feel like i should of waited.

I'm the guy that upgrades my phone every 2 years, no in between. Once that contract is signed thts it. I think after i get my phone i'm just not gonna read abt anything else and be satisfied
 
socarwolverine said:
Seems like you're assuming as much about the battery change as the GNexers are. None of us have any idea what it means, good or bad, you're just betting on the negative because you want more support in your decision to go with the Razr. Why don't we all just wait til both phones are out and we can get some hands on instead of needless and negative speculation.
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Ok, I'll back up my baseless assumption with some reality. Riddle me this, Spunky: if LTE did NOT break the battery performance spec, why would Sammy pay money to upgrade the battery? Is Sammy all of a sudden a charitable organization? Or are they a commercial entity worried about a T Bolt like disaster?

Second, oh you who does not know me, I don't appreciate the personal jab that I am such a weak willed individual I need the internets to approve my next phone. :rolleyes:

We are both welcome to our opinions, you are not welcome to imply I am some imbicilic sheep.
 
cereal killer said:
Changing up the battery that late in the game is done for a reason. They dont change things before launch willy nilly and swapping out for a bigger battery is very telling.

Question is what kind of battery life were they getting during testing before the decision was made it needed more juice. 4 hours? 5?
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Another way to consider this is based on Sammy's inventory management. When they prepare for the release of a new phone the phone manufacturer builds an order of devices for the destination carrier. Within two weeks of release it's likely that most, if not all, of the phones are built. This provides the carrier time to get the devices tested, inspected, packaged, and prepared for shipment.

To do this All of the recently manufactured phones now have to be retrofitted with the new battery.

1. For unpackaged phones, this is pretty straightforward. Sammy would simply need to replace their stockpile of 1750 batteries with 1850's.

2. If the phones have already been packaged, however, this gets messy, time consuming, and expensive. Any packaged phones have to be opened, the old battery removed from the packaging and replaced with the new battery. This would likely be a manual effort so you'd need workers on a production line opening boxes and replacing batteries. You'd also need quality control making sure that the boxes were returned to proper shipping condition.

With the phones anticipated release date being a couple of weeks away, I'd be surprised to hear that Sammy had not already packaged some, if not all, of the phones.
 
pm1066 said:
Ok, I'll back up my baseless assumption with some reality. Riddle me this, Spunky: if LTE did NOT break the battery performance spec, why would Sammy pay money to upgrade the battery? Is Sammy all of a sudden a charitable organization? Or are they a commercial entity worried about a T Bolt like disaster?

Second, oh you who does not know me, I don't appreciate the personal jab that I am such a weak willed individual I need the internets to approve my next phone. :rolleyes:

We are both welcome to our opinions, you are not welcome to imply I am some imbicilic sheep.
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Calm down! We don't want tensions to get escalated here so the tired old moderator has to actually do some moderator work, do we?? ;)
 
Actually, the new batteries could be shipped separate from the packaged phones. I got one phone (can't remember which one) that came with two batteries and instructions to use the battery with the black label because there was a safety issue with the battery with the white label.

I'm just saying it is possible...
 
pm1066 said:
Ok, I'll back up my baseless assumption with some reality. Riddle me this, Spunky: if LTE did NOT break the battery performance spec, why would Sammy pay money to upgrade the battery? Is Sammy all of a sudden a charitable organization? Or are they a commercial entity worried about a T Bolt like disaster?

Second, oh you who does not know me, I don't appreciate the personal jab that I am such a weak willed individual I need the internets to approve my next phone. :rolleyes:

We are both welcome to our opinions, you are not welcome to imply I am some imbicilic sheep.
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1. Names not "Spunky"
2. Chill out, if the internet wasn't such a big deal to you then why are you getting so red over my post (sorry if you felt I was implying you were "imbicilic" or a "sheep").
3. Striving to get better battery life doesn't mean it was awful to begin with or that LTE broke the phone. I see it more that they saw the predicted life of the Razr and knew to compete with a phone so similar to theirs in most specs (and with better marketing), that they had better get the battery life in line with it.

But like your speculation, mine is just speculation. No riddles involved.
 
ylexot said:
Actually, the new batteries could be shipped separate from the packaged phones. I got one phone (can't remember which one) that came with two batteries and instructions to use the battery with the black label because there was a safety issue with the battery with the white label.

I'm just saying it is possible...
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That is possible!!

If the change were made a few days before the release I could see that happening. But we're several weeks from release. From a marketing standpoint, it would look bad for them to ship new batteries separately from the phones.

And with this available time window, I'm thinking they would rather "save face" by retrofitting the batteries into the phone packages. That said, Samsung does it's own thing so and I certain'y don't work for them so it's anybodies guess what they'll do.
 
pm1066 said:
One thing cementing my decision even more was the confirmation on the Gnex battery. While the Gnex thread folks are celebrating, to me that is ominous news. There have been NO rumors of the Razr having hardware revisions, even though it has been out for 2 weeks. That's a lot of time on tester hands with nary a peep. Since unveiling, the Gnex has been rumored for delays, hardware revisions etc. Turns out the rumors were true, the battery got bumped up.

This is not good. That means in order to meet minimum standards, they had to jack the battery up. The Gnex crowd seems to be under the delusion this means "more" performance. Nope. It means LTE broke the phone, and this is the get well.

Put another way, some folks seem to think they went from 8 hours to 10 hours. Nope, they went from 5 hours to 7 hours.
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No one on the G Nex thread said or believes that this is the last minute change. We simply didn't know what size battery is in the LTE version of Nexus and now it's just known. It probably had that size from the beginning, a little bigger than GSM version, which makes sense for LTE. All that talk about 5~6 hours of time doesn't mean much to me if it was pre-release version testing heavy data usage continuously which is very likely.
 
Sandroidfan said:
No one on the G Nex thread said or believes that this is the last minute change. We simply didn't know what size battery is in the LTE version of Nexus and now it's just known. It probably had that size from the beginning, a little bigger than GSM version, which makes sense for LTE. All that talk about 5~6 hours of time doesn't mean much to me if it was pre-release version testing heavy data usage continuously which is very likely.
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Perhaps, but Steven's post implied otherwise.

I'll allow maybe I read it wrong. Now just need to nail down 16 v 32 GB.
 
cereal killer said:
Actually hes right. Changing up the battery that late in the game is done for a reason. They dont change things before launch willy nilly and swapping out for a bigger battery is very telling.

Question is what kind of battery life were they getting during testing before the decision was made it needed more juice. 4 hours? 5?
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Well testers who had both in hand said there was no noticeable difference in battery between the nexus and razr so what's that say about the razr then??
 
Sandroidfan said:
But you seem to have no problem believing any negative rumor on Nexus.:confused:
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There's not been one negative rumor about it. If you are referring to the battery comment I was under the assumption that Steven was saying that was one of the "tweaks" of the Nexus. You clarified it and said it wasn't a tweak/last minute change. So I do stand corrected.

I said it before and I will say it again . The Nexus is going to be a great piece of equipment. I would be a fool to say otherwise.
 
cereal killer said:
There's not been one negative rumor about it. If you are referring to the battery comment I was under the assumption that Steven was saying that was one of the "tweaks" of the Nexus. You clarified it and said it wasn't a tweak/last minute change. So I do stand corrected.

I said it before and I will say it again . The Nexus is going to be a great piece of equipment. I would be a fool to say otherwise.
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But it is to oblong and a piece of junk remember? I mean just because it is plastic doesn't mean it won't be able to take abuse. I mean until you hold it which most likely you won't since clearly you are getting the razr why the need to bad mouth it? You complain about others bashing phones yet you do the same thing.
 
redraider1 said:
But it is to oblong and a piece of junk remember? I mean just because it is plastic doesn't mean it won't be able to take abuse. I mean until you hold it which most likely you won't since clearly you are getting the razr why the need to bad mouth it? You complain about others bashing phones yet you do the same thing.
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Never said it was junk. Said the build quality appears flimsy. It's a personal observation from the pics and video I have seen. I may be totally wrong but I don't think I am.

Apparently Ray from Phone Arena feels the same way.

"There's nothing premium with the build quality and construction of the Samsung Galaxy Nexus, and this is our biggest disappointment with its design."

Another review:

"We haven
 
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