Obama Came from the First Black Slave and other presidential politics

[Bob Maxey]

so what youre saying is they created this story to try and prove Obama is more than half black?

No, I am saying it is a silly notion. You can't proclaim someone is descended from a specific person at the beginning of an article and then say it really cannot be proven in another without looking like a fool.

The press took the article and ran with it proclaiming BO was descended from the first slave. The whole store is likely BS.

I have never thought genealogists are 100% accurate or can be accurate. The further back you go, the harder it is to obtain accurate information.There were no DNA tests so as far as any of you know, your father might not be your father.

I recall a story some twenty years ago. Phil Donahue had a guest that wrote a book about fallacies and myths. He reported that back in the 40's and 50's, hospitals had problems keeping kids in the delivery room organized. For all anyone knows, your grandparents or parents are not really yours because you might have been switched at birth due to incompetent hospital nurses.

I do not care if Obama is half black or one quarter German. He is 100% unqualified which is all any of us should care about.

 

[Bob Maxey]

These are the type of articles that comes out to put crazy ideas into the people's mind.

Since announcement of his candidacy, right wingers have been slinging mud and innuendo at the man raised largely by his White grandparents. They have called him a secret Muslim, a supporter of a Black racist church and pastor, a Socialist and a pampered insider.

Rush Limbaugh admitted shortly after the inauguration that he hoped President Obama failed. Or is this a lie???

Inquiry minds want to know!

So you do not really understand why going to a church for more than 20 years where the pastor is so incredibly racist is a cause for concern for some of us? It does not take much research to determine that indeed, the pastor he praises is racist and hate filled. Too bad you think this is acceptable for a man that wants to lead the free world.

I hate to play the Hitler card, but I will. Suppose a presidential cantidate was a huge fan of Mr. Hitler. Would this be a problem for you? It would be for this kid.

Take a look at what little he has done so far. He walks, talks and acts like a socialist.

Us "right wingers" always have concerns for the person we elect to run the country. We want the best and we certainly did not want BO.

 

[saptech]

So you do not really understand why going to a church for more than 20 years where the pastor is so incredibly racist is a cause for concern for some of us? It does not take much research to determine that indeed, the pastor he praises is racist and hate filled. Too bad you think this is acceptable for a man that wants to lead the free world.

I hate to play the Hitler card, but I will. Suppose a presidential cantidate was a huge fan of Mr. Hitler. Would this be a problem for you? It would be for this kid.

Take a look at what little he has done so far. He walks, talks and acts like a socialist.

Us "right wingers" always have concerns for the person we elect to run the country. We want the best and we certainly did not want BO.

If what the pastor said is the Truth, does it make it hate and he being a racist?

After all, America has a long history of treating some of it's own citizens with hate and racisim, going back at least 300 years. Just because it's the law of the land doesn't make it right!

Would you say Bush was a better president, was he the best in your eyes?

 

[jefboyardee]

OBAMA BANNED THIS VIDEO - GEE, I WONDER WHY!.flv

 

[Rachel A]

Another right wing hack job that makes up facts then presents them as evidence.

One of the items mentioned was President Obama's SSN being falsified.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ssn.asp

Far more important to me are Mitt's remaining tax years that will, if released, demonstrate to the public that he pays a fair share of tax - kinda important we should trust our commander in chief has the people's best interests at heart when he takes the oath. Or that he's swindling the tax code.

These videos you post are full of unsubstantiated gossip and rumor. For the longest time they called themselves birthers and ran with that story until it ran out of time (and facts).


I wish the conspiracy theorists would start taking the pills and grow up. Until they do these silly little videos are nothing more than sideshow cast offs from the Freak show.

And think about it, POTUS has the entire might of the US government and it's military at his disposal. Do you really think that these videos would exist if the administration really wanted them taken down? If you do then I fear you must be incredibly nieve. These videos exist because they're simply jokes - and bad ones at that.

 

[treb1797]

Or . . .

Ignore it if you do not like it.

Please read my other 2 posts. Thank you.

 

[jefboyardee]

Another right wing hack job that makes up facts then presents them as evidence.

I don

 

[Rachel A]

I don

 

[Bob Maxey]

If what the pastor said is the Truth, does it make it hate and he being a racist?

After all, America has a long history of treating some of it's own citizens with hate and racisim, going back at least 300 years. Just because it's the law of the land doesn't make it right!

Would you say Bush was a better president, was he the best in your eyes?

Read what he specifically said and get back to me.

America had its shameful moments, I am not denying that. But the President of the United States is the most powerful man on the planet. We must expect more; the best and brightest, not what we got, a man that so far, has done nothing of value.

Do not mention Regan and Obama. no comparison. Ronald Regan was qualified to run this country, Obama is not qualified.

Now back to our regularly scheduled thread; Tangent Road is closed.

 

[saptech]

Do not mention Regan and Obama. no comparison. Ronald Regan was qualified to run this country, Obama is not qualified.

I mentioned GW not Reagan. Bernie Madoff was qualified to be a stockbroker also. To put that into context.

Since Nixon up to Obama, we've had seven presidents with the Republicans in office 28 years and Democrats 16.

Nixon=8 yrs, including Ford taking over. Watergate fraud.
Carter=4, the first oil crisis.
Reagan=8 yrs, Irangate fraud.
GHW Bush=4 yrs. War with Iraq.
Clinton=8yrs, Monicagate, which really didn't harm the country.
GW Bush=8 yrs, All kinds of mishaps such as 2 wars for no real reason.
Obama=4 yrs. You can name something.

Seems to me the republicans in office has led up to today's situation.

 

[jefboyardee]

Seems to me the republicans in office has led up to today's situation.

I think you have to include a tally of which party held majorities of the other two houses, over the same years, before you can make a generalization like that have any weight.

 

[Rachel A]

I think you have to include a tally of which party held majorities of the other two houses, over the same years, before you can make a generalization like that have any weight.

Damn, I'm not actually in agreement with you here am I? Good Lord - it's a miracle!

 

[OutofDate1980]

... Do not mention Regan and Obama. no comparison. Ronald Regan was qualified to run this country, Obama is not qualified. ...

Been watching to many Romney campaign slide shows ?

Romney Campaign Misspells Reagan

 

[Bob Maxey]

Been watching to many Romney campaign slide shows ?

Romney Campaign Misspells Reagan

Why would I care what Mitt has to say about President Reagan? I was around when Ronald was the President of the United States and I do not need to listen to others talk about my president.

 

[OutofDate1980]

Well if you "do not need to listen to others talk about my president", you came to the wrong place. There's even a thread discussing the policies of the deceased President.

Ronald Reagan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Amid the Red Scare in the late 1940s, Reagan provided the FBI with names of actors whom he believed to be communist sympathizers within the motion picture industry.[43] Reagan testified before the House Un-American Activities Committee on the subject as well.[44]

In the early 1960s Reagan opposed certain civil rights legislation, saying that "if an individual wants to discriminate against Negroes or others in selling or renting his house, it is his right to do so."[67]

When legislation that would become Medicare was introduced in 1961, Reagan created a recording for the American Medical Association warning that such legislation would mean the end of freedom in America.

The administration's stance toward the Savings and Loan industry contributed to the Savings and loan crisis.[157]

In order to cover newly spawned federal budget deficits, the United States borrowed heavily both domestically and abroad, raising the national debt from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion.[160]

In 1986, Reagan signed a drug enforcement bill that budgeted $1.7 billion to fund the War on Drugs and specified a mandatory minimum penalty for drug offenses.[212] The bill was criticized for promoting significant racial disparities in the prison population[212] and critics also charged that the policies did little to reduce the availability of drugs on the street, while resulting in a great financial burden for America.[213]

Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986. The act made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants, required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status, and granted amnesty to approximately three million illegal immigrants who entered the United States prior to January 1, 1982, and had lived in the country continuously. Critics argue that the employer sanctions were without teeth and failed to stem illegal immigration.[221]

 

[Bob Maxey]

Well if you "do not need to listen to others talk about my president", you came to the wrong place. There's even a thread discussing the policies of the deceased President.

Ronald Reagan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Amid the Red Scare in the late 1940s, Reagan provided the FBI with names of actors whom he believed to be communist sympathizers within the motion picture industry.[43] Reagan testified before the House Un-American Activities Committee on the subject as well.[44]

In the early 1960s Reagan opposed certain civil rights legislation, saying that "if an individual wants to discriminate against Negroes or others in selling or renting his house, it is his right to do so."[67]

When legislation that would become Medicare was introduced in 1961, Reagan created a recording for the American Medical Association warning that such legislation would mean the end of freedom in America.

The administration's stance toward the Savings and Loan industry contributed to the Savings and loan crisis.[157]

In order to cover newly spawned federal budget deficits, the United States borrowed heavily both domestically and abroad, raising the national debt from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion.[160]

In 1986, Reagan signed a drug enforcement bill that budgeted $1.7 billion to fund the War on Drugs and specified a mandatory minimum penalty for drug offenses.[212] The bill was criticized for promoting significant racial disparities in the prison population[212] and critics also charged that the policies did little to reduce the availability of drugs on the street, while resulting in a great financial burden for America.[213]

Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986. The act made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants, required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status, and granted amnesty to approximately three million illegal immigrants who entered the United States prior to January 1, 1982, and had lived in the country continuously. Critics argue that the employer sanctions were without teeth and failed to stem illegal immigration.[221]

While you are busy cherry picking, how about baking me a nice pie?

 

[OutofDate1980]

While you are busy cherry picking, how about baking me a nice pie?

Yes, aren't I industrious, they are nice fat juicy cherries, but there's plenty more.

Anyone having difficulties with doing their own baking should first remove distractions, such as any single malt whisky bottles from ones mouth, take nap, wake up, then it's self explanatory.

 

[cjr72]

Well if you "do not need to listen to others talk about my president", you came to the wrong place. There's even a thread discussing the policies of the deceased President.

Ronald Reagan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The singular achievement in my mind that makes Reagan a great president is that he allowed Paul Volcker to break the back of stagflation. The process of doing so led to the recession in 1982 and Reagan took heat from both the Democrats and Republicans because of it. Volcker was actually appointed as Fed Chairman by Carter but Carter didn't have the sack to allow Volcker to make the painful adjustments in monetary policy that he knew were necessary. Reagan did and by the time he was up for reelection he could run on a positive "Morning in America" message due to ending the economic malaise that was handed to him by Carter.

Too bad Obama didn't draw the same lessons about making tough choices during his first term. If he did maybe he would have something positive to run on instead of his Fear & Loathing campaign that he is serving up now.

As far as the War on Drugs I do think it is a failure and it's sad that it disproportionately hits minorities but it's revisionist history to lay it all at the feet of Reagan. I personally remember at the time that there were rumors in the inner cities that the CIA was behind the crack epidemic and minority leaders were pressuring Reagan and Congress to do something about it. It was amidst this backdrop that the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986 was born with its harsh crack sentencing that is attributed to Reagan by revisionists. In reality it was our current Vice President Biden along with his colleagues in the Senate who pushed for the draconian 100-to-1 sentencing laws for crack vs cocaine:

Senators Byrd, Dole and I led the effort to enact the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986 which established the current 100-to-1 disparity.

Ironically Reagan was pushing for a ratio of 20-to-1, close to the 18-to-1 crack sentencing the Obama signed into law in 2010.

 

[atljatl]

I can assume the first slave was quite handsome despite being a little arrogant and having relatively large ears.

 

[saptech]

I personally remember at the time that there were rumors in the inner cities that the CIA was behind the crack epidemic and minority leaders were pressuring Reagan and Congress to do something about it.

Facts or Fiction!

The Contras, Cocaine, and Covert Operations

 

[OutofDate1980]

The singular achievement in my mind that makes Reagan a great president is that he allowed Paul Volcker to break the back of stagflation. The process of doing so led to the recession in 1982 and Reagan took heat from both the Democrats and Republicans because of it. Volcker was actually appointed as Fed Chairman by Carter but Carter didn't have the sack to allow Volcker to make the painful adjustments in monetary policy that he knew were necessary. ...

Well you got it right that Carter appointed Volcker. The Chairman has a term of four years. Volcker term started in 1979 and Reagan didn't reappoint him in 1983 because "Paul Volcker, the previous Fed Chairman known for keeping inflation under control, was fired because the Reagan administration didn't believe he was an adequate de-regulator. Our country has thus suffered from the consequences of choosing as regulator-in-chief of the economy someone who didn't believe in regulation."
Nathan Gardels: Stiglitz: The Fall of Wall Street Is to Market Fundamentalism What the Fall of the Berlin Wall Was to Communism

 

[cjr72]

Well you got it right that Carter appointed Volcker. The Chairman has a term of four years. Volcker term started in 1979 and Reagan didn't reappoint him in 1983 because "Paul Volcker, the previous Fed Chairman known for keeping inflation under control, was fired because the Reagan administration didn't believe he was an adequate de-regulator. Our country has thus suffered from the consequences of choosing as regulator-in-chief of the economy someone who didn't believe in regulation."
Nathan Gardels: Stiglitz: The Fall of Wall Street Is to Market Fundamentalism What the Fall of the Berlin Wall Was to Communism

And your point? What you wrote doesn't change the fact the Reagan had the stones to allow Volcker to end stagflation and Carter did not.

 

[atljatl]

And your point? What you wrote doesn't change the fact the Reagan had the stones to allow Volcker to end stagflation and Carter did not.

Guys, yall are getting waaaaaay off topic. let me help: I assume the first slave had a good-sized facial mole, and a good and solid radio voice.

 

[Bob Maxey]

Amid the Red Scare in the late 1940s, Reagan provided the FBI with names of actors whom he believed to be communist sympathizers within the motion picture industry.[43] Reagan testified before the House Un-American Activities Committee on the subject as well.[44]

I'll reply to one of your points.

Not sure you were alive in those days, but the threat was almost universally accepted as a real threat. The country feared communists. We feared the reds having the atom bomb, not to mention, the Nazis.

We took great effort to investigate Germany because the last thing we wanted is for Hitler to have the bomb. And yes, in our efforts to gather information, some people were harmed. This was unavoidable, but those were the times we lived in. Very scary times; a Commie around every corner, some thought.

Reagan was right to do what he did.

We learned later that they were not (necessarily) as big of a threat as we thought, but we simply could not take that chance. And for all you or I know, we prevented serious problems. Many of the files are still sealed to this day, so we do not know what was discovered.

We can look back on those days and some might say Communism was not as serious of a threat as we thought. We have the benefits of history to review what we did back then and what was discovered and how big or little the threat actually was.

The witch hunts largely went nowhere; I am reminded of Tail Gunner Joe. But it could have gone the other way. We certainly had those willing to sell us out; the Rosenbergs immediately come to mind.

Bottom line . . . we were a frightened nation and we hated Communists.

Today, if you have a list of suspected terrorists, you can either ignore them and dismiss the list as just a list of guesses or you can help the FBI in their inquiries. Perhaps a list existed on September 10th?

We were good at gathering intelligence. I am reminded of the crossword puzzle that appeared in a newspaper. The NY Times, as I recall. It contained the words, 'Fat Man' and 'Little Boy.' This scared the hell out of those in charge of our A-Bombs because it suggested something possibly dire. I'll let you Google those names.

 

[Bob Maxey]

In order to cover newly spawned federal budget deficits, the United States borrowed heavily both domestically and abroad, raising the national debt from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion.

And how is that worse than the debt under Mr. Obama, at more than 4 trillion bucks? Not sure if you are criticizing my President (Ron) or trying to say he was evil.

Ron knew what he was doing and he arrived in the Oval Office because he was well qualified to lead us. Cannot say the same thing for your beloved Obama.