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Obama Came from the First Black Slave and other presidential politics

cjr72 said:
... As far as the War on Drugs I do think it is a failure and it's sad that it disproportionately hits minorities but it's revisionist history to lay it all at the feet of Reagan. ...
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Talk about revisionist history. How did we get minimum mandatory sentencing ?

The Process is the Problem: Lessons Learned from United States Drug Sentencing Reform – University of Richmond Law Review

"Through the SRA, the Reagan administration was able to wipe out the indeterminate sentencing system and replace it with a determinate structure.[98] With the creation of the Sentencing Commission and the Sentencing Guidelines, judicial discretion was constrained and a body comprised of members nominated by the President determined appropriate sentencing ranges.[99] Reagan
 
Wow I thought we were going to have a discussion on the topic of being able to trace the lineage of a man whose been dead for 300+ years.

Seemed like the OP's intent in the first post even though he twice ignored calls to get this thread back on his original topic.

Mods, would this not be cause to change the title of this thread.
 
PH8AL said:
Wow I thought we were going to have a discussion on the topic of being able to trace the lineage of a man whose been dead for 300+ years.

Seemed like the OP's intent in the first post even though he twice ignored calls to get this thread back on his original topic.

Mods, would this not be cause to change the title of this thread.
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Lol
I can watch all you guys go at all day. Left/right politics in the USA is more entertaining than athletic competition. Participants in athletics are usually a little more fit to compete, though. I suggest 'fear and loathing on the campaign trail, '72 '
 
PH8AL said:
Wow I thought we were going to have a discussion on the topic of being able to trace the lineage of a man whose been dead for 300+ years.

Seemed like the OP's intent in the first post even though he twice ignored calls to get this thread back on his original topic.

Mods, would this not be cause to change the title of this thread.
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Bob's free to do that by editing the first post, hitting the Advanced button, and changing the title.

I would agree, if others are happy discussing a spectrum of things - and it seems that most are - then a thread title change would be appropriate.
 
cjr72 said:
And your point? What you wrote doesn't change the fact the Reagan had the stones to allow Volcker to end stagflation and Carter did not.
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Yeah, that was why Carter appointed Volcker to a 4 year term and Reagan didn't reappoint. Once appointed to the FED, politicians have no control on the actions of the Federal Reserve members.
 
Bob Maxey said:
So you do not really understand why going to a church for more than 20 years where the pastor is so incredibly racist is a cause for concern for some of us? It does not take much research to determine that indeed, the pastor he praises is racist and hate filled. Too bad you think this is acceptable for a man that wants to lead the free world. ...
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Here's some research that disputes your claims.

Jeremiah Wright controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Several commentators have drawn comparisons between the media's treatment of Barack Obama and Jeremiah Wright with the treatment of political candidates who ally themselves with white religious leaders who have made controversial statements.[114][115][116][117] These critics said that John McCain actively sought the recommendation of John Hagee, who has been criticized for anti-Catholic and anti-Muslim statements and has described Hurricane Katrina as "the judgment of God on the city of New Orleans" for the city's "level of sin" (specifically a planned gay pride march).[114][115][116][117][118][119] E. J. Dionne of the Washington Post contended that white religious leaders who make controversial statements often maintain their political influence. He specifically mentioned the remarks of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, who agreed that gays, feminists and liberals shared the blame for the 9/11 attacks, but faced no calls for denunciation by politicians with whom they had relationships.[114][116][119] Frank Rich of the New York Times wrote that Rudy Giuliani's relationship with Monsignor Alan Placa had gained little media attention.[117] (Placa is a longtime friend of Giuliani and performed his second wedding; Giuliani hired him to work in his consulting firm after Placa was barred from his priestly duties due to sexual abuse allegations.[117][120]) Conservative commentator John Podhoretz said that the comparison of Wright with Hagee was "entirely specious", because Obama had a longstanding relationship with Wright and McCain has no personal relationship with Hagee.[121] Dionne and Rich acknowledged this point, but also suggested that a double standard exists for white religious leaders and black religious leaders.[116][117]
 
OutofDate1980 said:
Yeah, that was why Carter appointed Volcker to a 4 year term and Reagan didn't reappoint. Once appointed to the FED, politicians have no control on the actions of the Federal Reserve members.
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Reagan didn't reappoint Volcker? Carter appointed Volcker to a 4 year term in 1979. Carter left office in 1980 and was succeeded by Reagan yet Volcker served as Fed Chairman until 1987. You see where I'm going here?
 
Aaaaaanywaay,
(you guys are way off topic and terribly boring.) Can I assume the first slave was not very good at code-switching, and his (I also assume the first slave was male) best attempts at it were through using colloquialisms for the plural 'you all' as well elision in places it's clear he was not used to using them?
 
atljatl said:
Aaaaaanywaay,
(you guys are way off topic and terribly boring.) Can I assume the first slave was not very good at code-switching, and his (I also assume the first slave was male) best attempts at it were through using colloquialisms for the plural 'you all' as well elision in places it's clear he was not used to using them?
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Ummmm.... What??
 
cjr72 said:
Reagan didn't reappoint Volcker? Carter appointed Volcker to a 4 year term in 1979. Carter left office in 1980 and was succeeded by Reagan yet Volcker served as Fed Chairman until 1987. You see where I'm going here?
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you need to go slower...... he gets confused easily by facts
 
cjr72 said:
Reagan didn't reappoint Volcker? Carter appointed Volcker to a 4 year term in 1979. Carter left office in 1980 and was succeeded by Reagan yet Volcker served as Fed Chairman until 1987. You see where I'm going here?
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Should have stated not reappointed by Reagan in 1987 because Volcker wasn't a proponent of de-regulating the financial market. Volcker's view on monetary policy was well known to Carter when he appointed him and those policies of rising interest rates were implemented during Carter's term, which contributed to his election defeat by Reagan.
 
OutofDate1980 said:
Should have stated not reappointed by Reagan in 1987 because Volcker wasn't a proponent of de-regulating the financial market. Volcker's view on monetary policy was well known to Carter when he appointed him and those policies of rising interest rates were implemented during Carter's term, which contributed to his election defeat by Reagan.
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Wrong again. Carter undermined Volcker, Reagan supported his efforts:

1980 was a miserable year for President Carter as well. Inflation, unbelievably high interest rates, a desultory stock market, and the Iranian hostage crisis. Carter went against the policy of the Fed and instituted his own policy of "special credit controls" whereby special requirements were placed on the reserves of banks and credit card companies. Volcker sat by, not wanting to be seen playing politics. Like the price controls of President Nixon, the credit controls worked for a spell and rates declined, only to soar anew.

Reagan won the election that November and, as soon as the votes were tabulated, Volcker began to tighten interest rates more. The federal funds rate, which had averaged 11.2% in 1979, peaked at 20% in June 1981. The prime rate rose to 21.5% in '81 as well.
Treasury Bills hit 17.3% and the long-term bond was on its way to 15.3%.

Upon taking office, Ronald Reagan said that the country faced the threat of economic calamity. But many would say his preferred policies of tax cuts would encourage spending and investment and thus hamper Volcker's effort to kill inflation, once and for all.

Reagan, though, certainly understood the importance of ending the inflation threat and he was willing to endure a deep recession to accomplish this. Already, early in 1981 there were reports that he would be a one-term president.

But while Reagan would remark at cabinet meetings, "Why do we need the Federal Reserve at all?" he let Volcker operate with little interference.
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Rxpert83 said:
I would love to see exactly where these geneologists got their degrees.
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It is a dual degree along with 'climatology' and they actually dissect a real manbearpig. Well, at least a Hollywood prop of one.

Strangely, it is an art degree.
 
cjr72 said:
Wrong again. Carter undermined Volcker, Reagan supported his efforts:
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Per a Richmond Federal Reserve study Carter didn't undermine the Fed Chairman he appointed.

Volcker and Carter coordinated on this short term program that lasted from March 14 to July 3 1980. The CRP was intended to be supportive with Volcker plan to reduce the rate of growth in the money supply, but not a dramatic contraction, thus ended by Carter with Volcker's concurrence.

Anyway Volcker is a supporter of Obama and was an advisor. Obama is pushing for the Volcker rule on banks.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...sg=AFQjCNH8umX9dyh9iSTlfcPeWCsV9oglmQ&cad=rja

Pg 39
"On March 17, Chairman Volcker was in Washington, D.C. briefing 65 of the leading bankers on the CRP. According to The York Times, he told them that the Board expected their cooperation with the program, and he drove home his point by suggesting that other government agencies
 
Funny, Volcker doesn't appear to have been undercut by Carter in this PBS interview.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=volcker%20views%20on%20carter&source=web&cd=48&ved=0CFcQFjAHOCg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbs.org%2Fwgbh%2Fcommandingheights%2Fshared%2Fpdf%2Fint_paulvolcker.pdf&ei=y84iUKvJEebH6AH82YDABA&usg=AFQjCNESs74p13RY1E_aYjSdEaHyZKaBGA&cad=rja

INTERVIEWER: In your position at the Fed, you were extraordinarily independent. Not many countries' central bankers are quite that independent. Do you think President Carter regretted appointing you?

PAUL VOLCKER: I don't know. I haven't asked him that question directly; he'd probably be polite and answer ["no"]. But he's never really criticized me publicly. I'm sure it made him uneasy. He kind of [appeared uneasy] on one campaign appearance, but only one campaign appearance. I once asked him whether I cost him the election, and he smiled and said there were a few other influences as well. And let us not forget about the Iranian hostages and so forth.
 
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