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If you really want to switch, return your phone and activate an old phone for a few days.

With regards to the Nexus One plans, I don't think Google sets that at all. The restrictive nature of the plans probably came from T-Mobile. Maybe they were looking for new subs only. Maybe they were trying to maximize profit. Part of the problem here is that I think with any carrier sponsored phone that you get direct through them, the cost to them is closer to wholesale and obviously isn't the same as the full retail cost if you bought it w/o contract. So when they subsidize, they're not pitching in THAT much. Since it's Google's phone, they may be charging the carrier the full $529 or maybe a little less but not as cheap as the wholesale prices carriers pay for a batch of, say, 100,000 phones. That probably translates to Verizon or T-Mo having to put up more money to give you the subsidized price, and a $10 add-a-line plus $30 data may not mean as much profit as $70 for a new line plus data. I think Verizon will have less restrictive options. I personally would like them to offer a one year price but that's probably hoping too much.

In any event, it looks like we'll have our first non-Droid option in just 24 days. :) I'm a little worried about what the Incredible might offer above and beyond the N1, but I'll bet as April approaches, we'll get more leaked info, hopefully specs and pictures. I would probably wait out the week the N1 is released just to see if it has some of the annoyances that T-Mobile's has or if they fixed them.
 
grokr989 said:
IF Google does the same pricing as the N1 on tmobile:

Pricing : Place an order - Nexus One Help

Then customers like me who are on a two year plan and
are only one year into the contract are eligible for upgrade pricing on a Verizon phone but won't be eligible for upgrade pricing on the N1.

Right?

So, I'll still be waiting for the Incredible since I can't justify paying full price.
I'm sure there are others in my boat as well.

Also, those on family plans can't get upgrade pricing on the N1.

So unless Google changes the terms for Verizon. Hopefully, they do, then there will still be many that would wait for the Incredible.

There's also the advantage of insurance and service on the Incredible through Verizon.

So, maybe that's why Verizon doesn't need to rush the Incredible out the door before March 23.
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and that, unfortunately, will probably be their reasoning.
 
joehero said:
Guys, the N1 is pure GRAVY for Verizon. They dont have any overhead costs for the advertising, or bulk purchases of devices. They dont have to pay a single DIME for the N1, yet they get a new subscriber on every single one. And if they get it subsidized through Google, the net gross is still significantly higher than selling a phone they already had to pay for at a high discount.

Every unlocked N1 with CDMA tech that is sold is essentially locked to Verizon anyway, so Verizon pays nothing for the handset, pays nothing for advertising, and gets $100/mo from that person for the life of the N1.
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I think with the N1 release it's time for the masses to call BS on VZ and the monthly fees. If they're going to stick by the mantra that we can't buy a new phone whenever we want because they are "recouping" the subsidy over the contract period, then where is the discount for using a non-subsidized phone? What's happening with that cash? I know they'll have a BS answer, something to the effect of "we don't ever fully recover the cost of the subsidy," etc... I'd love to see that accounting of that though...
 
BradGfromBoo said:
Verizon Does allow you to merge an individual line into a family plan. Im hoping they will allow this with the N1, I dont see why they wouldnt. If the N1 comes out first, I will buy it subsidized, then merge my line into a family plan... Hope they allow it. If not I wait for something incredible.
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You can definitely merge individual lines into a family. And you can pull a family line out, temporarily and then merge it back into a family line. So this can be done, it just may make for one messy monthly statement...
 
MTechie said:
I would go out on a limb and say 99% of the people on this thread are waiting for HTC Sense over stock Android, otherwise we'd be on the N1 Forum ;) I'd say it's just a personal choice between stock Android (potentially quicker updates) or Sense (just plain BETTER) :D




And I think your buddy at work with the Droid is ripping on Sense because he doesn't have it :p The 4 hour claim is BS. I had an Eris, did fine on battery life.
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Im not a hardcarore techy like most of you in this forum. Heres an amateur's dilemma...not a fan of potentially not having vzw service a phone with issues vs getting a phone a few weeks earlier with more RAM. What i need from you guys is WHY sense UI is so nice. I keep hearing it is better, as someone who hasnt played with a ERIS or any other sense phone can someone please give me the benefits of the sense UI? Im assuming it has to be quite different then stock android otherwise the incredible and N1 sound like twins right?
 
zdro22 said:
Im not a hardcarore techy like most of you in this forum. Heres an amateur's dilemma...not a fan of potentially not having vzw service a phone with issues vs getting a phone a few weeks earlier with more RAM. What i need from you guys is WHY sense UI is so nice. I keep hearing it is better, as someone who hasnt played with a ERIS or any other sense phone can someone please give me the benefits of the sense UI? Im assuming it has to be quite different then stock android otherwise the incredible and N1 sound like twins right?
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Okay, I'll give your question a shot. For me personally, I love eyecandy. The animations, icons, wallpapers, transitions, widgets, pretty much everything is just much more beautiful on Sense UI. When I look at my phone, I want it to look pleasing. Stock Android is a little rough around the edges visually. It is definitely improving with 2.1 but it still has a long way to go to catch up with Sense.

Also, Sense has improved upon many functionalities of Android. Most people will tell you, the Sense onscreen keyboard works much better than stock Android keyboard. Sense also had multi-touch from the beginning. Stock Android has just recently added this. Sense also does a much better job organizing your information, contacts, media, social networks, etc.. Things are just overall better put together. You have to understand also that my experience with Sense was on an Eris which is running Android 1.5, so I expect Sense on 2.1 to be that much more spectacular.

These are just a few reasons to love Sense UI, but important ones to me. I'm sure I've missed a lot of other benefits but this hits some of the important ones. Let me conclude this by saying, it really boils down to preference. I know several have said on here that they actually prefer stock over Sense. I'm sure they have their reasons. But most of us on this thread are waiting for the Incredible because we want a powerful Android phone with Sense UI.

If anyone else wants to add to this, feel free.
 
Yeah, the seven home screens is defiantly a plus. I actually found I could use more when I had the Eris. The reason is I like to use full screen widgets for the things I use most. Those seven home screens gets eat up quick.
 
droidoholic said:
...Sense has improved upon many functionalities of Android. Most people will tell you, the Sense onscreen keyboard works much better than stock Android keyboard. Sense also had multi-touch from the beginning. Stock Android has just recently added this. Sense also does a much better job organizing your information, contacts, media, social networks, etc..
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I've been wondering what the big deal is about Sense UI as well. Can you explain how Sense provides these benefits?

Can you tell me specifically why the keyboard is so much better, what's different from a user experience point of view?

Why is it better to organize info, contacts, media, and social networks using Sense?
 
Okay, most of us are pretty sure something will be announced at CTIA from Verizon/HTC. Others have mentioned that their booths are close together. I wanted to see visually just how close they are so I made this image taken from the CTIA floor plan pdf. I was kinda shocked at how small the Verizon booth is compared to HTC's. As you can see their booths are not right next to each other, so I don't know how an announcement will work. I don't see any keynote speakers from either Verizon or HTC scheduled either. :confused: I guess it's just wait and see time.

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daveydog said:
I think with the N1 release it's time for the masses to call BS on VZ and the monthly fees. If they're going to stick by the mantra that we can't buy a new phone whenever we want because they are "recouping" the subsidy over the contract period, then where is the discount for using a non-subsidized phone? What's happening with that cash? I know they'll have a BS answer, something to the effect of "we don't ever fully recover the cost of the subsidy," etc... I'd love to see that accounting of that though...
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It's not terribly different than when you're off-contract but still paying the same monthly fees. My contract expired in March 2008. Granted I'm not on a smartphone right now, but if I was, the $30 data would still be a requirement. There is no discounting for off-contract vs on-contract. Every US carrier model is set up for one type of billing, and under this subsidy model, the majority of folks take advantage of it. If you don't, you're simply a more profitable subscriber. That's why you should always get a new phone and re-up your contract to get the most bang for your buck, as long as you're happy with the carrier's service. Buying phones unlocked in this country gives you freedom from the ETF, but is more costly than any other solution.
 
zdro22 said:
Im not a hardcarore techy like most of you in this forum. Heres an amateur's dilemma...not a fan of potentially not having vzw service a phone with issues vs getting a phone a few weeks earlier with more RAM. What i need from you guys is WHY sense UI is so nice. I keep hearing it is better, as someone who hasnt played with a ERIS or any other sense phone can someone please give me the benefits of the sense UI? Im assuming it has to be quite different then stock android otherwise the incredible and N1 sound like twins right?
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This might help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZSeLuJBWDU&feature=player_embeddedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZSeLuJBWDU&feature=player_embedded
 
droidoholic said:
Okay, most of us are pretty sure something will be announced at CTIA from Verizon/HTC. Others have mentioned that their booths are close together. I wanted to see visually just how close they are so I made this image taken from the CTIA floor plan pdf. I was kinda shocked at how small the Verizon booth is compared to HTC's. As you can see their booths are not right next to each other, so I don't know how an announcement will work. I don't see any keynote speakers from either Verizon or HTC scheduled either. :confused: I guess it's just wait and see time.
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Jeez, only 3 weeks and change away from the ability to finally have a new phone in my hand. Cannot believe it. Seems like years ago, but I've been perusing the web since late July last year for a new phone and my initial entry into the smartphone world. Needless to say, I'm finally getting excited about the prospects, even the Incredible. :cool:

Notice on that map who has the most floor space? OEM's. At the end of the day, aren't they the ones that show off new "coming soon" hardware? I'm curious if AT&T or Sprint's space is comparably to Verizon, or smaller. I assume this is just a portion of the floor map? Do you have a link for where you got that?
 
droidoholic said:
I was kinda shocked at how small the Verizon booth is compared to HTC's. As you can see their booths are not right next to each other, so I don't know how an announcement will work. I don't see any keynote speakers from either Verizon or HTC scheduled either. :confused: I guess it's just wait and see time.
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The better comment would be how the size of the other cell carriers booths compare to Verizon. Verizon is not a manufacturer like HTC, or Motorola. :)

Look at the size of the Qualcom booth, good gravy!
 
I love the look of the Sense UI, my only concern is how it will affect updates. Most people seem to think the Sense will slow down the flow of updates. Even with that concern I'm leaning to the Incredible, as long as the specs are similiar to the Nexus.
 
thed0000d said:
off topic for a second. should I wait for the Incredible or by the moto droid? my wife and I need phones pretty bad but if this phone going to come out in like 3 weeks or so then should I wait?
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If you like Sense wait for the Incredible. I found trying to get my Droid more Sense like too frustrating and slow.
 
Droid1215 said:
I love the look of the Sense UI, my only concern is how it will affect updates. Most people seem to think the Sense will slow down the flow of updates. Even with that concern I'm leaning to the Incredible, as long as the specs are similiar to the Nexus.
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It will slow it down in effect because HTC will skip some updates. For example there is no Android 2.0 with Sense, they skipped to 2.1. But you should get the important ones.
 
kyler13 said:
I'm curious if AT&T or Sprint's space is comparably to Verizon, or smaller. I assume this is just a portion of the floor map? Do you have a link for where you got that?
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Here's the link: http://www.ctiawireless.com/docs/W2010_Overview.pdf

Here is the entire floor with all the major carriers highlighted with their respective colors. Interestingly T-mobile looks to be in a closet sized booth off to the left. Verizon's booth is more inline with AT&T and Sprint. So you are right about OEM manufacturers being showcased here. HTC's booth is in green.

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zdro22 said:
Great information thanks alot. Thanks for staying patient with us newbies
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It's no problem whatsoever. I am a newbie too. I just got lucky and started researching the Droid before I kicked my Storm to the curb, and came across this site and the news about the N1 and Incredible's pending release. I just happened to see that youtube video yesterday when I was trying to find out more about sense. There's also video on youtube that takes a look at the N1 in particular, and shows some of the function in the standard Android 2.1 without Sense so you can compare.
 
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