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Only cops should have guns

shadowninty said:
And why should ORDINARY PEOPLE be allowed buy machine guns AT ALL?
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The amount of paperwork required and the prices make it nearly impossible for most people to get them.

Of course, if by "machine gun" you mean a common semi-auto AK-47 or AR-15, people use them both for hunting and sport regularly, and some people just like to collect them. They're both very fun guns to shoot.

Outlawing guns doesn't keep people from getting guns, just look at how outlawing marijuana worked out. :rolleyes:
 
shadowninty said:
In Ireland, only police can have gunns (apart from hunters and farmers - shotguns only)
I want it to stay that way

And why should ORDINARY PEOPLE be allowed buy machine guns AT ALL?
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so how do you guys protect yourselves? oh yeah...my mate stationed in Ireland informed me of this:

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Rota said:
Outlawing guns doesn't keep people from getting guns, just look at how outlawing marijuana worked out. :rolleyes:
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I think its better to say outlawing guns dont keep criminals from getting guns. just keeps law abiding citizens from being able to get a gun to protect their homes from the criminals with the guns.

When DC allowed people to own guns again. They saw a drop in crime. I wonder why? Maybe the criminals was thinking twice as they didnt know if this home had a gun to shoot them.

If you want a gun then you should have proper training in use and safety for the fire arm. To many people owning fire arms has no training on the use of it.

If you need an AK-47 Or a M-16 with a 20 or 30 round clip. then you need to give up hunting as you suck at it.


yes before one of you yahoos point out. I know my spelling and grammar sucks. So let me get that out the way for ya.:p
 
in most states, you aren't allowed to hunt with an "assault rifle" unless it has a 5 round magazine in it.

i have a much sought after 5 round magazine for my HK91 specifically for this purpose.
 
i thought you were supposed to yell, "TALLY HO!!!" or "Spot of tea, guv'nuh?"

oh wait...that's England. i guess in Ireland it would be, "Me Lucky Charms!!!"

this is all in jest guys. :)
 
Slug said:
Like Batgeek said it's all in jest. :)



Yup, the original Irish Republican Army fought the Easter Rising and the War of Independance. I'm pretty sure they had a Gaelic rallying cry but my memory fails me right now.
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Oh I know as what I said was in jest. no harm no foul. Just I should have known that about ireland. my lil statement would of got me killed if I was in ireland lol.
 
batgeek said:
i have 2 "machineguns". you know why? because i can.
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I am curious. You own fully automatic weapons? You put the word machineguns in quotes.

If you do, good for you. I approve of automatics except for the ammo costs.

By the way folks, silencers and supressors are also allowed under federal law.

Bob Maxey
 
yes, i own two FA firearms. an HK416 that i paid a little too much for. and an MP5 that i lucked into for a decent price.

i likes me some HK goodness! i also have an HK91. saving money right now for My Precious, a PSG-1.
 
^^

Maybe its time to start giving cows guns

How can they protect themselves :eek:

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Clearly from most of these posts, the US is too far gone to change things
Any chanfge would have to be gradual, over decades


I dont want guns here, because atm, people who have guns are very reluctant to use them (apart from the odd gangland assination)
If my country ever has to allow people to have guns, I think that that will be a sad day.

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Oh and BTW the IRA were terrorists who took advantage of WWI, while the real Nationilists were fighting with the Allies.
Violence IMO is a terrible, terrible option, it is in mankinds nature to be violent, an instinct once useful but not fit for modern civilesied society (thus I release my violent tendencies via COD :D)
 
shadowninty said:
Clearly from most of these posts, the US is too far gone to change things
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Sorry but I have to very strongly disagree!

Having the weapons isn't the problem... maliciously using them, on the other hand, is a problem.

While it can be said that guns are a recipe for violence, I'm going to throw something out that's as much of a cause as anything: TV, Movies, and First Person Shooter video games. Each of these, at one time or another, glorifies violence against authority figures without ramifications. Case in point... Grand Theft Auto!

Can A Video Game Lead To Murder? - 60 Minutes - CBS News

Does this mean GTA is bad? Not necessarily... but it can help lead some to believe that its OK to kill cops. The games don't, by themselves, bring out violent tendencies. What they do is reinforce them in people who already have violent tendencies.

Your neighbors in England have clashed over this specific subject and your current game, Call of Duty:

Labour MPs clash over Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 game | Politics | guardian.co.uk
 
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Inanimate objects do not CAUSE anything. They may make a chosen course of action easier (I would rather defend my dwelling against a home invader with a shotgun than with my bare hands), but they don't choose the action for you.

This is part of why the PTB wish to outlaw guns: they make the chosen action of resisting government tyranny more difficult (hmmm... Mods, can we get a tin-foil smiley?)...

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Case study: guy in Indiana went into a gun store to buy a handgun. He handled several while trying to pick out the "right one", then falsified information on ATF form 4473. Turns out, he was a "prohibited person"... even TOUCHING a gun for him was punishable by an automatic 5 year stay in the federal penn.

Despite all the laws they COULD have nailed him on (that one trip to a shop could have put him away for 200+ years, with all the laws he broke), instead he was simply denied the purchase... and walked out the door.

And went to the local hardware store, purchased a couple claw hammers, and used those to kill his wife and kids.

Gun control really had an impact there, didn't it?

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I don't care how things are in Ireland, or the UK, or elsewhere in Europe, or anywhere else for that matter. What I care about is that my nation enshrined the right to keep and bear arms into our governmental framework. Therefor, we have said right as individuals (check the Heller decision for that one).

Don't like it, get the Constitution amended to remove the Second (good luck: removing one of the Bill of Rights is about the most difficult thing to do in our system)...

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Batgeek: you're an H&K fanboy, but have a Sig logo as your avatar. What's up with that?

And you DID know that H&Ks stand on "civilians" is "You suck. And we hate you", right? :P
 
Strings said:
*sigh*

Inanimate objects do not CAUSE anything. They may make a chosen course of action easier (I would rather defend my dwelling against a home invader with a shotgun than with my bare hands), but they don't choose the action for you.

This is part of why the PTB wish to outlaw guns: they make the chosen action of resisting government tyranny more difficult (hmmm... Mods, can we get a tin-foil smiley?)...

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Case study: guy in Indiana went into a gun store to buy a handgun. He handled several while trying to pick out the "right one", then falsified information on ATF form 4473. Turns out, he was a "prohibited person"... even TOUCHING a gun for him was punishable by an automatic 5 year stay in the federal penn.

Despite all the laws they COULD have nailed him on (that one trip to a shop could have put him away for 200+ years, with all the laws he broke), instead he was simply denied the purchase... and walked out the door.

And went to the local hardware store, purchased a couple claw hammers, and used those to kill his wife and kids.

Gun control really had an impact there, didn't it?

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I don't care how things are in Ireland, or the UK, or elsewhere in Europe, or anywhere else for that matter. What I care about is that my nation enshrined the right to keep and bear arms into our governmental framework. Therefor, we have said right as individuals (check the Heller decision for that one).

Don't like it, get the Constitution amended to remove the Second (good luck: removing one of the Bill of Rights is about the most difficult thing to do in our system)...

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Batgeek: you're an H&K fanboy, but have a Sig logo as your avatar. What's up with that?

And you DID know that H&Ks stand on "civilians" is "You suck. And we hate you", right? :P
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yeah take a loaded gun and set it on the table and wait for it to fire it self.

it takes a finger to start the chain reaction. cut the finger out and the firearm is useless. outlaw guns and people will find other means to kill or inflict harm. like said above your local hardware store has items that can do a lot more harm and damage than a hand gun ever could imagine to do.

how about educate people on proper handling of a fire arm. This starts at a very young age. I started talking to my son about firearms when he was 4 years old. my parents taught me when I was real young. they never locked their firearms up and I never messed with them.

by saing ban guns is like saying ban fast food for making people fat. no one wants to take responsibility for their actions and choices. its easier to blame others by saying if fast food wasn't around. then I wouldn't be fat. odds are very great that the person in question would still be fat even if mickey d's wasnt around.
 
Dark Jedi said:
yeah take a loaded gun and set it on the table and wait for it to fire it self.

it takes a finger to start the chain reaction. cut the finger out and the firearm is useless. outlaw guns and people will find other means to kill or inflict harm. like said above your local hardware store has items that can do a lot more harm and damage than a hand gun ever could imagine to do.

how about educate people on proper handling of a fire arm. This starts at a very young age. I started talking to my son about firearms when he was 4 years old. my parents taught me when I was real young. they never locked their firearms up and I never messed with them.

by saing ban guns is like saying ban fast food for making people fat. no one wants to take responsibility for their actions and choices. its easier to blame others by saying if fast food wasn't around. then I wouldn't be fat. odds are very great that the person in question would still be fat even if mickey d's wasnt around.
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Absolutely correct.

I say we ban liver and onions. EVERYBODY who has cooked it or will cook it; everybody that has seen it on a menu or will see it on a menu; everyone who has eaten it or will eat it is either dead or will eventually die. The pigs will die, too. So perhaps PETA can help us.

Bad stuff, that liver and onions. It has a track record of death in 100% of all cases. Certainly more deaths or eventual deaths than guns will cause.

There is nothing in the constitution that specifically mentions L and O, so I see few problems. Except those caused by the well organized Big Liver and Onions Lobbyists.

For those that want guns banned, you should start by reading the Constitution and find a lawyer to help you make the required change to the constitution. I am sure a lawyer will be needed somewhere along the path to your vision of a better country. Or perhaps you can go it alone?

Amendments can be most certainly be changed, but you will have a lot of work ahead of you. I also suggest you read up on how one goes about changing that document so you can give up now and avoid what will surely fail.

Bob Maxey

chrisinsocalif said:
The backfiring Van deserved to get shot!
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Yup. We all know that vans cause global warming, killing our future an thre future of our children. I say it got what it deserved.

Bob

shadowninty said:
Clearly from most of these posts, the US is too far gone to change things
Any chanfge would have to be gradual, over decades
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Considering how many guns and gun owners there are in this country, it is clear that we do behave ourselves. We need training and we need to teach people that guns are no more evil than a hammer or a bicycle or a howitzer.

People love to hunt, people want to shoot clays or other targets, and people want to deal with crime in a way it must occasionally be dealt with. Some people need to be dispatched posthaste to save a life.

Also, lest I remind you, we have a RIGHT to keep and bear arms. Not a law that can be easily changed, but a right.

Every gun owner I know is careful and safe and the last thing they want to do is take a life. It would pain us greatly and we would live with killing another. We are not crazy people looking to start a battle, but let
 
Good lord Bob, use the
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for multi-quoting in the future. :p



On this topic I will only say this:

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

I know it is an old saying and everyone has heard it, but it is a fact. There is no reason to ban firearms in the U.S. or any other country because guns are not a problem. There is a need to educate people and teach many of them the value of human life, because people are the problem.
 
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