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Osama Bin Laden is DEAD!!!
- Thread starter NightAngel79
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I can understand why you would be happy or glad for those affected, but to run around chanting USA and bigot terms towards Muslims is not celebrating. I live on a college campus and when I see this at a liberal arts college, it is scary. I don't think the death of a person constitutes getting wasted and chanting USA and bigot terms. When you hear someone yell "I hope they hung him by his towel" something twinges inside of you. I know not all are like this, but it is scary. I am not even a Muslim or a minority and this type of nationalism which can easily lead to bigotry scares me.
Once again, I wish to take nothing away from the men and women protecting and serving us.
VoidedSaint
Resident Ninja
i to served, and just recently ETS'd this passed October, so i know where your coming from
others may have celebrated his death.
however i celebrated the fact that we finally killed the 1 single man who orchistrated the 9/11 attacks, who was single handedly responsible for the deaths of thousands of people, who invaded our homes and put fear into our hearts. someone with that kind of evil intent deserved his fate long ago, he has done it numerous times. if you look at the history of his attacks, they proceed back to the early 90's
im glad you respect our brothers, sisters, fathers, and mothers in arms.
but you must realize this should have happened long ago. Bin Laden was the terrorist who made our nation what it is today for the patriotism, for that im glad, but for his actions he deserved his fate years ago, and there is nothing that justifies death, but you must think about this factor.
if he was still alive, you would still live knowing that something else could happen soon
or if we caught him, he would be the most protected man in the world, in order to stand trial. and lets face it, i doubt he would survive iin the US for long. i can understand what you are talking about, but at the same time, i cannot understand why you think celebrating the death of the most notorious terrorist is a bad thing....
sure al queda will live on, but its the fact we finally caught the man responsible for so much pain and agony we as americans have faced.
Martimus
One bite at a time...
VoidedSaint
Resident Ninja
now i see where you are coming from, i havent heard these chants, mainly because im not a college student, but you got to understand, not all of us are the same, im sure your not, i have no idea what your heritage is, nor do i care, because i will treat you the same as every other member on these forums, and im sure the others are the same way. Drunken college kids are just that, drunken college kids, reality will hit them one day, they are the types that do not serve in the military and see the harshness life has to offer, they do not see what soldiers see. We can all be bigots at times, but when we grow up and mature we do see the reality that bigotry is just a hurtful thing and makes you look like an ass. so let them chant all they want, it will only cause more problems if you try to stop them. its so easy to be mad, but it takes a real man/woman, to ignore them and know that you are a better person because you do not make such remarks.
redravenxo
Newbie
Hrm, wow... I'm glad to hear that at least one major terrorist organizer is gone, but I do wonder what the repercussions will be & how much impact his death will actually have. (As far as someone else emerging to take his place, etc. Article discussing that here: A Deathblow to al Queda. )
Bin Laden has actually been fairly quiet lately, but he's definitely not the sort of guy you want floating around doing who-knows-what, so it's good news. After all Kadhafi has been quiet for ages & now is causing all manner of trouble. (And he really needs to be taken out, as well).
I hope this will bring about a significant change, though it may take a while to see if that's the case. But, the death of Bin Laden is an important step in the right direction & I hope it will end up making an impact on the war situation.
Would be awfully nice if some of our troops could come home. (Thank you all for your dedication, btw).
Bin Laden has actually been fairly quiet lately, but he's definitely not the sort of guy you want floating around doing who-knows-what, so it's good news. After all Kadhafi has been quiet for ages & now is causing all manner of trouble. (And he really needs to be taken out, as well).
I hope this will bring about a significant change, though it may take a while to see if that's the case. But, the death of Bin Laden is an important step in the right direction & I hope it will end up making an impact on the war situation.
Would be awfully nice if some of our troops could come home. (Thank you all for your dedication, btw).
i to served, and just recently ETS'd this passed October, so i know where your coming from
others may have celebrated his death.
however i celebrated the fact that we finally killed the 1 single man who orchistrated the 9/11 attacks, who was single handedly responsible for the deaths of thousands of people, who invaded our homes and put fear into our hearts. someone with that kind of evil intent deserved his fate long ago, he has done it numerous times. if you look at the history of his attacks, they proceed back to the early 90's
im glad you respect our brothers, sisters, fathers, and mothers in arms.
but you must realize this should have happened long ago. Bin Laden was the terrorist who made our nation what it is today for the patriotism, for that im glad, but for his actions he deserved his fate years ago, and there is nothing that justifies death, but you must think about this factor.
if he was still alive, you would still live knowing that something else could happen soon
or if we caught him, he would be the most protected man in the world, in order to stand trial. and lets face it, i doubt he would survive iin the US for long. i can understand what you are talking about, but at the same time, i cannot understand why you think celebrating the death of the most notorious terrorist is a bad thing....
sure al queda will live on, but its the fact we finally caught the man responsible for so much pain and agony we as americans have faced.
Point taken and understood.
I did not stop them. I let them speak and yell as much as they want because they have that right as I have the right to express my view. I didn't see it just on my own campus. I saw it on the TV at the White House and Ground Zero. Colleges all around were celebrating. I see how it is a cause for relief and joy that we can have closure, but the type of celebrating is over the top I believe and infused with a nationalist rhetoric that I have found to be dangerous over the history of the state and sovereignty. College kids are those who will have the jobs one day to make these decisions and speeches on TV. Because of this I wonder, if the patriotism (nationalism) engraved into our minds after 9/11 (because of the hurt and need for community and the good vs. bad rhetoric used) could potentially be harmful in future conflicts.
Even though Osama is dead, security is still a problem. How can it not be? Al Quaeda's figure-head is dead. Their founder, their leader. What revenge will they seek? They will still get funding and they will still find poor, uneducated children of the Middle East to recruit and brainwash. They will show them the problems caused in their country due to globalization by the West, excluding the mistakes of their own leaders, and those children will hate us. I don't know how to feel. I am happy for the families of the victims and the soldiers who protect us, but I am scared for the consequences both short and long term both in our own ideologies and those of these groups in the Middle East. I saw families of victims last night celebrating in a different way. Honoring their lost family and friends in a reverent way and appreciate the little bit of closure that they could get. That little bit that will never bring their loved ones back, but eases the human mind.
I am glad we can have this discussion, but let us not forget that this is a time for remembering those who perished in the attacks and fighting and for those soldiers who have protected us.
VoidedSaint
Resident Ninja
i whole heartidly agree, i am a patriot as well, but my patriotism isnt like what you saw on TV, i was happy, glad, and felt like everything the military has done and all the lives lost that day were not in vein, because it was soldiers who took him out, not some airstrike that just laid waste to a building, but the tatical movement of the USArmy, it made it more personal, because in that way it shows that our tactics are proven to be the best, that we can infiltrate and remove a high priority target with percise execution.
but i am prior service so i know that this means differently for soldiers when boots took out the master mind and not the airforce coming through and dropping bombs, its more of a sense of accomplishment for us.
but each person celebrates in their own way, its a shame thats how our nation celebrates, but we are a free nation given the right to celebrate how we want.
The backlash of the Al Quaeda losing their mastermind is going to have some type of retaliation against us. but it will all be overseas at our military bases, or civilian populations.
I do hope this pulls our troops out because the money we have dumped into this war has hurt our nation, and since we were supplying pakistan with funds, i just wonder how our relation with them will turn out, considering they didnt know where he was, but yet he was hiding in public sight, no more than 35 mins from a military installation. so we shall see.
but i am prior service so i know that this means differently for soldiers when boots took out the master mind and not the airforce coming through and dropping bombs, its more of a sense of accomplishment for us.
but each person celebrates in their own way, its a shame thats how our nation celebrates, but we are a free nation given the right to celebrate how we want.
The backlash of the Al Quaeda losing their mastermind is going to have some type of retaliation against us. but it will all be overseas at our military bases, or civilian populations.
I do hope this pulls our troops out because the money we have dumped into this war has hurt our nation, and since we were supplying pakistan with funds, i just wonder how our relation with them will turn out, considering they didnt know where he was, but yet he was hiding in public sight, no more than 35 mins from a military installation. so we shall see.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
So, you think terrorists are stupid enough to go and pay their respects?
That's would be every intelligence agencies wet dream!
There is no reason that they couldn't have conserved the body and then thrown it into a furnace at Langley, at a later point; maybe after hanging it from the Statue of Liberty, for example!
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Hitler's bunker was unmarked up until the last 4-5 years to avoid it becoming a shrine as well.
Vanquished
Android Expert
Navy SEALs say Hooyah.
The Army says hooah and the Marines say oorah. These words originate from the Army acronym HUA, which means "Heard, Understood, Acknowledged." I know Hoorah is said, but I'm not sure if any branch does it specifically.Very true, but it wasn't necissarily DEVGRU that did the operation. SEALs have been in Afghanistan, Iraq and other places in the region for quite some time. A known example is Operation Red Wing which you can read about in the book Lone Survivor. But, with the information we have about this operation (it has been in the works for several months now), I think its safe to assume it was DEVGRU since every report says the Navy SEALs were involved. It could have been some sort of task force as well, since some reports are stating CIA operatives were there too (as Homan said, which is quoted below).
This. ^
And the fact that some group or maniac may have retaliated and taken some US soldiers/reporters/toursists/etc. hostage demanding the body back, partly for the second reason you have listed.
Not just his bunker, there were several locations where he and others stayed that were completely demolished for this reason. There are still people today who are like Joseph Goebbels who can't imagine a world without Hitler (though they don't take it to the extreme and commit suicide because of that reason).
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Dark Jedi
Guest
I am glad for one he is dead but come on he wasn't the true leader. He was a rich guy that wanted to play terrorist. So they made him their public figure head to give a face to their organization. This also took the spotlight off the true leader of the group. It's like the royal family in England. Sure they hold titles and so on but they have no power over how England is ran. They are more there out of tradition and tourists. Same with bin laden. He was great on camera and they used him to further their cause. Now the real leaders will use him once again and step up terrorist attacks in the name of his death.
Grave or not he was still made in to a martyr and they will strike back. They have a new reason now and thanks to the US gov we gave it to them. Now let's see how obama handles things when The real shit hits the fan.
Grave or not he was still made in to a martyr and they will strike back. They have a new reason now and thanks to the US gov we gave it to them. Now let's see how obama handles things when The real shit hits the fan.
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Dark Jedi
Guest
So, you think terrorists are stupid enough to go and pay their respects?
That's would be every intelligence agencies wet dream!
There is no reason that they couldn't have conserved the body and then thrown it into a furnace at Langley, at a later point; maybe after hanging it from the Statue of Liberty, for example!
People made the pilgrimage to see Jesus grave and he was basically was considered a criminal. Ones man terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
lordofthereef
Android Expert
Please don't get me wrong. I am as "happy" as any American that he has been taken down. But does anyone else think it's disrespectful to be demanding pictures of his corpse? As we speak, US officials are considering whether the images should be released or not. I understand the reasoning behind it, I really do, but I still think it shows a distinct lack of class.
AustinTech
Android Enthusiast
Glad the murderer is dead, but I don't really care. Somebody else will just take over his role. I like that Obama hasn't taken credit for the operation, he's just announced the news. Now his media machine can spin him as a hero.
Looks like they got a tons of computers from the compound where he was hiding. Now that's good info! Contacts, plans, stuff like that - I bet there are some nervous terrorists out there today.
At first I though that the burial at sea was suspicious...now I think it might have been very smart. Like someone else said above, no burial site, no funeral, just a body tossed off a boat like the garbage he was.
Looks like they got a tons of computers from the compound where he was hiding. Now that's good info! Contacts, plans, stuff like that - I bet there are some nervous terrorists out there today.
At first I though that the burial at sea was suspicious...now I think it might have been very smart. Like someone else said above, no burial site, no funeral, just a body tossed off a boat like the garbage he was.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
It does show a lack of class, but if it doesn't get released, the conspiracy nuts will never, ever shut their pie holes.
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Dark Jedi
Guest
Even with pictures they will still say its not him. Look at 9/11
kastleberg
Android Enthusiast
Someone is dead. It is a sad day for the entire world when people celebrate death. Did he deserve it? Hell yes. But, it is still sad to see people celebrate a vengeful act perpetrated in response to another vengeful act which was inspired by yet another. And this kill will only be used to further the propaganda against democracy. It's a whole lot easier to make the guy holding the gun look like the bad guy when he's shooting people.
This isn't for our troops. This isn't for America, especially not for the Americans who died that terrible day. This is for the fat cats that run it all. For all the green fueling our democracy. We provide weapons to the very people that demonize us, killing them years afterward when they vilify and attack us. The real tragedy is that nothing will come of this. Washington will not change. We will still continue to attack other countries, we will still raise the taxes on the poor and middle class while lowering them for corporations and the very small percentage of people at the top--look at GE, BP, hell, pick a corporation. Bin Laden is not even close to being responsible for any state we are in except paranoia and terror. He was a terrorist. That's what he did.
As for me? Celebrate? Hell no. You want to see me celebrate? Convict the bankers and investors that brought us to this point. Throw the ****ing special interest groups and lobbyists out of Washington. Cast aside the bipartisan rhetoric they use to keep us divided, and therefore keeping them elected and in office, and really change the entire system. These things will make me celebrate, not some farcical death of the villain used as the face of our suffering. This all just seems to me as though it's a ruse, a slight of hand.
Am I proud of our military? Hell yes I am. Which is exactly why I want it back. I want our soldiers protecting us, not protecting our bases in lands in which we have no business. We are accomplishing nothing, and now we have reason to celebrate our lack of progress. But, who the hell am I? Nobody. None of us are. It's all a ****ing joke.
This isn't for our troops. This isn't for America, especially not for the Americans who died that terrible day. This is for the fat cats that run it all. For all the green fueling our democracy. We provide weapons to the very people that demonize us, killing them years afterward when they vilify and attack us. The real tragedy is that nothing will come of this. Washington will not change. We will still continue to attack other countries, we will still raise the taxes on the poor and middle class while lowering them for corporations and the very small percentage of people at the top--look at GE, BP, hell, pick a corporation. Bin Laden is not even close to being responsible for any state we are in except paranoia and terror. He was a terrorist. That's what he did.
As for me? Celebrate? Hell no. You want to see me celebrate? Convict the bankers and investors that brought us to this point. Throw the ****ing special interest groups and lobbyists out of Washington. Cast aside the bipartisan rhetoric they use to keep us divided, and therefore keeping them elected and in office, and really change the entire system. These things will make me celebrate, not some farcical death of the villain used as the face of our suffering. This all just seems to me as though it's a ruse, a slight of hand.
Am I proud of our military? Hell yes I am. Which is exactly why I want it back. I want our soldiers protecting us, not protecting our bases in lands in which we have no business. We are accomplishing nothing, and now we have reason to celebrate our lack of progress. But, who the hell am I? Nobody. None of us are. It's all a ****ing joke.
Vanquished
Android Expert
This is all very true, but you cannot mistake patriotism with nationalism. Although they are used as synonyms, they are actually very different from each other. Those ******s running around yelling bigot terms and hoping he died a certain way are definately ones you should worry about, as they are demonstrating the nationalist ideals you fear (and most should) which was the leading factor towards the creation of Fascism and the start of World War II. Patriotism on the other hand is the opposite and reflects more on what ssick said (and others), quoted below:
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
there are loads of conspiracies that are widely believed, guess its some sort of fear of authority...
ssick92
Android Enthusiast
deletion, I too now understand what you were saying. I am a freshman college student, living on campus (Cal Poly San Luis Obispo), and I have not heard of anyone running around chanting racist remarks towards the Muslim culture. And those that DO run around chanting racist remarks, are ignorant, plain and simple. I will 100% agree with you that THOSE people are celebrating for the wrong reasons, but I feel that most of America is celebrating the fact that families who have lost loved ones because of this ordeal can rest easIER (by no means easy because their son/daughter/father/mother will not come back).
That is probably the best photo that represents what I am saying. Thanks for that photo ECF.
Homan13PSU
Android Enthusiast
Navy SEALs say Hooyah.
Air Force says Hoorah.
tattedman
Android Enthusiast
There is now a world wide travel "Advisory"
Security Heightened After Osama Killing | FOX 11 News
Security Heightened After Osama Killing | FOX 11 News
Vanquished
Android Expert
Although I agree with you and disagree with LECTOR's reasoning, I would have to disagree with the example you gave. I'm not taking offense at the analogy you gave, but I believe it is a completely different situation and circustance, and there are probably better examples.
The Jewish leaders hated Christ and did everything they could to catch him as a hypocrit but they had nothing against him because they and everyone else knew what he taught was correct (according to the writings they went off of such as Moses and Isaiah). The Roman government never saw him as a threat, criminal, or terrorist. It was his own people, the very ones he taught and rebuked, the Jews. For this reason I think the example is a little misleading, though the following sentance is spot on:
"Ones man terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
Vanquished
Android Expert
I was thinking that, but I couldn't find it anywhere, so was waiting for my friend to text me back since he's in there now.