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nlsme

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On the post office comment. The usps has ran in the black for 95% of it existance. They are also the only carrier that is efficient enough to mail a letter across the nation for 50
 
I ship letters through ups and fed ex every day. And it costs a lot more than 50 cents. There is NO law like the one you speak of.
 
nlsme said:
I ship letters through ups and fed ex every day. And it costs a lot more than 50 cents. There is NO law like the one you speak of.
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the usps is the only body that can legal carry non-urgent mail and put it in the mail box. the others must deliver tot he person/porch. they cannot touch the mailbox
 
Big whoop, they can't touch the mail box. They still deliver for a lot moe money. As far as loans, they have ALWAYS been paid back. And considering how many companies have had difficulties lately, their shortcomings of late hardly means that they are a failure. They are the only way you can get a letter across the nation for 50 cents.
 
nlsme said:
I ship letters through ups and fed ex every day.
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Because the USPS ALLOWS them to carry urgent letters, and only urgent letters.

nlsme said:
And it costs a lot more than 50 cents. There is NO law like the one you speak of.
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They are called the Private Express Statutes... but don't take my word for it, take the government's word for it.


The Private Express Statutes are a group of laws under which the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) has the
exclusive right, with certain limited exceptions, to carry letters for compensation. The Statutes are
based on the provision in the U.S. Constitution that empowers Congress
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post is on the decline, due to the internet ;)
a postal service should be in some way state aided to ensure equal costing for deliveries to rural and urban areas
In 30 years developed countries can probably leave postal service to itself... not now tho
 
That law states that a private carrier has to charge twice the usps first chas rate. Hardly forbidding it. And usps and fedex charge well over twice the usps first class rate.
 
The primary reason for that law was to insure affordable access to rural areas. Try fedexing to alaska for example. Your looking at big bucks. The usps is still 50 cents.
 
nlsme said:
I ship letters through ups and fed ex every day. And it costs a lot more than 50 cents. There is NO law like the one you speak of.
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Yup, there is. The USPS is the only one allowed to deliver mail and place it in your post office box / mailbox. They are the only one that can picukup and deliver standard mail. I also use other services for urgent mail; UPS and FedEx for example, but there is a world of difference..

And the Post Office does a remarkable job delivering millions of letters daily and very few are lost. Also, the price is still a bargin.

Bob Maxey
 
shadowninty said:
wait... so you would end up with a cheaper, more efficient system... and you would hate that because... because why?
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So shadow, are you paying for someones 300,000 heart surgery who cannot afford it out of your pocket? Thought so...let me know when you do..then we will talk, like I say put your money where your mouth is. Seems if more liberals spent their money helping these poor people, it would be cheaper for everyone. Hey, it's your idea, you first.
 
Its all the same. The argument could be made that the usps is as much a social endeavor as universal healthcare or the inappropriately named"obama phone".
 
Tempusfugit said:
Don't let the prices of a broken medical system make you think its impossible to have universal health care. But yes, I think 150 million people splitting 300k sounds better than one person being stuck with it, in order to live.
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You do realize that if 150 million people split that 300k it becomes 600k rather quickly...

Public services are either bloated and over expensive, or substandard... you will not get both from government.
 
They are not a for profit company. They don't have to beg for it, they just have to show it is necessary. Something they have never failed at doing. They are the only way you can mail to ANYWHERE in the US for 50
 
Here are two.

The PES were adopted to reserve to the us mail system reserve base to enable it to serve all areas of the nation equitably, at unifor rates, including areas where services are not self sustaining.

It is "cocusively presumed" that a letter is extremely urgent if the amount paid for the private carriage is at least $3.00 , or twice the applivable First Class Rate, wichever is greater.




Like I said, it was posted by you without you even reading it, or what I had originally posted.
 
nlsme said:
Here are two.

The PES were adopted to reserve to the us mail system reserve base to enable it to serve all areas of the nation equitably, at unifor rates, including areas where services are not self sustaining.

It is "cocusively presumed" that a letter is extremely urgent if the amount paid for the private carriage is at least $3.00 , or twice the applivable First Class Rate, wichever is greater.




Like I said, it was posted by you without you even reading it, or what I had originally posted.
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You do realize that you aren't contradicting me... right?

The USPS ALLOWS UPS and FedEx to carry letters based upon urgency. Yes, they currently define Urgency by the price paid to ship the letter.

That's not competition. Legally, UPS and FedEx are not allowed to compete with the USPS on letters.

Would they be more efficient, faster and cheaper? I think so. Truth is, until Congress allows competition, we'll never know.
 
So the reason it costs 20 dollars to fed ex something is because the law says they must charge 3? Point I was making is the LAW not the usps allows them to deliver mail. It really only sets a minimum price, of wich is far exceeded. Again there is no law that gives the usps sole rights to deliver letters. And the law that is in place is to insure affordable service to ALL areas of the nation.
 
nlsme said:
So the reason it costs 20 dollars to fed ex something is because the law says they must charge 3? Point I was making is the LAW not the usps allows them to deliver mail. It really only sets a minimum price, of wich is far exceeded. Again there is no law that gives the usps sole rights to deliver letters. And the law that is in place is to insure affordable service to ALL areas of the nation.
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Ok, so your point is one of semantics, not one that claims that they aren't allowed to carry regular mail.

Yes, Congress passed a law that allows them to carry urgent mail, but only urgent mail.

Justia :: 39 C.F.R.
 
You claimed the usps was the only ones legally allowed to deliver mail across the nation. Then provided the law that clearly states the opposite. You also make the claim they could do it cheaper, but completely ignore the fact they charge well above the minimum allowed by law. Its not semantics, its the way it is.
 
nlsme said:
You claimed the usps was the only ones legally allowed to deliver mail across the nation. Then provided the law that clearly states the opposite. You also make the claim they could do it cheaper, but completely ignore the fact they charge well above the minimum allowed by law. Its not semantics, its the way it is.
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You do realize that legally, they can't just carry letters. They have to carry URGENT letters.

They can't carry bills. They can't carry junk mail. They aren't allowed to legally. They can only carry URGENT letters.
 
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